Wayfer doctrine, when blindly submitted to, set up barriers. i.e. Ignore fears and doubts, because they are tricks of an invisible Adversary. It stifles further consideration and prevents opportunity for reflection and change.
Wayfers are then corralled into using inflating one's ego as the solution to almost everything. One example is using lots of head knowledge (which they'll deny) on obscure points to alter the structure of reality.
You haven't studied or reflected on much literature in your time on this earth, have you? "All nine all the time" was cult jargon, an idiom. Not to be understood as literally as you suggested. Nevertheless, for other reasons YES it is and always was a meaningless cliché.
How you doing Rocky?
Where did I suggest it should be taken literally? If you read my post carefully (even a casual perusal would suffice) you would see I actually said quite the opposite. To actually do all nine all the time would be impossible. For example, take just one, say prophecy. To operate it "all the time" would necessitate that one attend a fellowship of believers all day long, 24, 7, 365. Clearly not possible.
I always took it to mean it was POSSIBLE to operate any one of them at any time. The Bible is my source.
I've probably read way more literature than the average college grad (Russian, English, American, Chinese, et. al.), What makes you think otherwise? Split infinitives? Dangling Participles?
Then there's this: Let him who has never used a cliché in their entire lifetime cast the first stone....
Lots of people, like you, said "all nine all the time". Was it because they did "all nine all the time" or someone or something convinced them it was possible and a real goal to strive for?
I always took it to mean that it was possible to operate any of them at any given moment. Not that I would, just possible. I got that straight from the Bible. I actually knew and believed that before I ever took PFAL. If somebody brainwashed me on that, it wasn't VP.
I'm curious. I know a lot of folks don't believe the manifestations. Hope you don't mind me asking where you stand on the matter? Whatever you say, I won't argue.
Lots of people, like you, said "all nine all the time". Was it because they did "all nine all the time" or someone or something convinced them it was possible and a real goal to strive for?
People need lists. Wasn't this part of the "16 Keys to Walking by the Spirit" ????
I always took it to mean that it was possible to operate any of them at any given moment. Not that I would, just possible. I got that straight from the Bible. I actually knew and believed that before I ever took PFAL. If somebody brainwashed me on that, it wasn't VP.
I'm curious. I know a lot of folks don't believe the manifestations. Hope you don't mind me asking where you stand on the matter? Whatever you say, I won't argue.
I think I've previously made it clear I don't believe you got your points from the Bible, or that you are manifesting anything from God.
I love reading all the threads from the aughts. So much meat. I’ve read this thread a few times over the years but never noticed this post, or just don’t remember it:
On 1/1/2007 at 11:12 AM, trumpeter said:
When I read Dr. Wierwille it’s as if the Heavenly Father Himself is speaking to me personally.
Sometimes, when I’m reading, I picture in my mind that I’m in the library of a large, elegant mansion. There’s a well laid fire and I’m comfortable in a finely upholstered wingback chair. Perhaps I’m sipping a rare single malt whiskey as well. In another wing back nearby sits the Lord Jesus Christ himself. We’re discussing the inherent accuracy of God’s wonderful, matchless Word.
He shows me, for example, how a particular passage from JCNG works and fits with one from RHST. Perhaps an article of Dr.’s from The Way Magazine (remember, ‘the magazine for people who Love God and His Word?) sheds some further light on our subject. It becomes dynamically thrilling and my heart burns within as the truth of God’s Word is opened to me.
Yes, I am genuinely thankful for Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille. Thankful for his life and his work.
In fact, I’m a little antsy for that trumpet to sound because I’d like to go hunting and fishing with Victor.
I initially thought it was satire or parody, and I thought, “Wow! This guy’s goood.”
Then I continued down the thread and realized this guy is dead serious!
God was moving primarily in VPW during those days of yesteryear, when we really had (not that we don't now) a biblical research and teaching ministry. There were other men and women of Biblical and spiritual ability who were a part of Dr. Wiewille's quest to find the truths of the Word of God.
Remember the deal? 'I'll teach you if you teach others.'
Hint: 'find' is a synonym for discern/ascertain.
On 1/4/2007 at 9:41 AM, rascal said:
Maybe vpw was not the man that you thought he was trumpeter.
Maybe if you knew what he had done to your brothers and sisters in Christ you wouldn`t hold such respect/
Maybe :(
1 hour ago, Nathan_Jr said:
I love reading all the threads from the aughts. So much meat. I’ve read this thread a few times over the years but never noticed this post, or just don’t remember it:
I initially thought it was satire or parody, and I thought, “Wow! This guy’s goood.”
Then I continued down the thread and realized this guy is dead serious!
Trumpeter's post about vpw was so over the top that I really expected there to be a "gotcha" at the end. He only had 9 posts on GSC though. Trumpeter
Rascal did try to reason with him though on page 5 of this thread.
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Wayfer doctrine, when blindly submitted to, set up barriers. i.e. Ignore fears and doubts, because they are tricks of an invisible Adversary. It stifles further consideration and prevents opportunity for reflection and change.
Wayfers are then corralled into using inflating one's ego as the solution to almost everything. One example is using lots of head knowledge (which they'll deny) on obscure points to alter the structure of reality.
Encouraging the horse to drink is the trouble.
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How you doing Rocky?
Where did I suggest it should be taken literally? If you read my post carefully (even a casual perusal would suffice) you would see I actually said quite the opposite. To actually do all nine all the time would be impossible. For example, take just one, say prophecy. To operate it "all the time" would necessitate that one attend a fellowship of believers all day long, 24, 7, 365. Clearly not possible.
I always took it to mean it was POSSIBLE to operate any one of them at any time. The Bible is my source.
I've probably read way more literature than the average college grad (Russian, English, American, Chinese, et. al.), What makes you think otherwise? Split infinitives? Dangling Participles?
Then there's this: Let him who has never used a cliché in their entire lifetime cast the first stone....
Take care...Rich
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I always took it to mean that it was possible to operate any of them at any given moment. Not that I would, just possible. I got that straight from the Bible. I actually knew and believed that before I ever took PFAL. If somebody brainwashed me on that, it wasn't VP.
I'm curious. I know a lot of folks don't believe the manifestations. Hope you don't mind me asking where you stand on the matter? Whatever you say, I won't argue.
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People need lists. Wasn't this part of the "16 Keys to Walking by the Spirit" ????
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It was just supposed to be a 3 hour tour....
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I think I've previously made it clear I don't believe you got your points from the Bible, or that you are manifesting anything from God.
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I love reading all the threads from the aughts. So much meat. I’ve read this thread a few times over the years but never noticed this post, or just don’t remember it:
I initially thought it was satire or parody, and I thought, “Wow! This guy’s goood.”
Then I continued down the thread and realized this guy is dead serious!
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Trumpeter's post about vpw was so over the top that I really expected there to be a "gotcha" at the end. He only had 9 posts on GSC though. Trumpeter
Rascal did try to reason with him though on page 5 of this thread.
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It reads like a script to a Mr. Show skit.
Jesus the Christ himself is showing how a passage in JCING works and fits (like a glove?) with a passage in RTHST?!?!
WITAF!
Did JC pull these books from his saddle bags? I mean wha... how...
But it's not satire. This is dead serious delusion.
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