Money, money and more money

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God first

Money, money and more money

wrote 09-01-03-2006

Grace and peace be unto you my dear friends from God and his son the Christ has I year2027 write unto about the subject money.

We all read the verse 1 Timothy 6:10 “For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”

And we heard how so many use this verse Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”

Or this verse Acts 20:35 “... It is more blessed to give than to receive.” and there is another verse many used I can not find that is like if you give for example $10.00 to God by giving to their church will bless you back with a $100.00 dollars or so many of our worldly leaders have said.

But the truth is if you give God will give back to you but God never said money for money like so many make you think my dear friend. God’s riches are above and God’s riches are below here on earth. God’s riches are life here after something you can not spend or see.

God’s riches are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance the fruits of the spirit the very things you need to have life after death. God has had me think about the value of money for a few months.

I have recalled stories of my life and as I write God brings some to the top and tells me to tell them without names just the basic for a example for you.

While I was in Columbus Ohio a friend at church “the Way Ministry church” car had die and this friend had children but not the money to buy a car at this time but he worked hard. So because I had a extra car that I payed $200.00 from a never friend that needed to sale a car because two cars were too many for his budget.

I had received the car I used the car for about a year making the car very useful but not needed because I had two other cars at the time so I had a friend follower me over the friend with children house that car had just die house.

I gave my friend with children the keys and sign the title so he could changed it over without me or with me. He said he had no money I said just pay me when you could but he wanted to know how must I told him $100.00 would be fine and fare.

To my friend the car was a life saver because it ran good because it had been well took of but it had over 270,000 miles on it but it ran better than most new cars.

To cut a story short about one year later my friend with children came to my door with $100.00 to pay me. I had been sick and miss a week of work so I had no money coming in to buy food or gas to go back to work that Monday.

So that gift I gave over a year ago took care of me when I needed it most that $100.00 to me was like a $1,000.00 at the time because my need was great.

Now this is how given and receiving works my friends and its has not nothing to do with money but needs while the $100.00 seem like $1,000.00 at the time it was still only a $100.00.

While the value is not the point and the need filled and the friendship I had with my friend is the very riches I received when I gave that car. But let me share a few more that might blessed your life.

One day going to church there was a old man leaving gas station with a can of gas so I stop to see if he needed a ride but I had just put my last $5.00 in my car to get to work and payday was Monday.

I gave the man a ride and took him straight to his house a little out of my way to church and he ask what he owe me I said nothing but he push some one’s on me. I went on to church and after church I look to see what I had.

What look like $3.00 or $4.00 was about $27.00 enough to take care off food and gas until I cash my check and go out to eat with church friends. I know God had been working because the blessing was in due time.

Now one day coming back for a church event at a church 100 miles from home I stop at a rest stop but I had the need to fellowship . Me and the friends got out of our car and I said to a man I did not know “God bless your heart.”

The man stop and said he needed to hear that and he had a heart attacked about a week ago and had to get back to work and his job was driving cars from one place to another and riding back on the bus.

He needed pray so we pray for him and I need to fellowship so the pray and talking about the man we met gave me the fellowship I needed. While today we see money as a need its never about money its about filling needs.

Like Paul said “silver and gold have I none” why because its not about silver and gold but about needs being filled. While we are to help the poor that does no take money its takes filling needs.

Its hurts my heart that some so called church leaders ask for money to help this group of poor or that group and when they receive the money only a small percent of the money given makes it to help the very poor they say they want to help.

Here were you live there are poor with need of knowing the truth even if they have a nicer house than you they are poor in spirit because they know not the love you do.

You we poor come in all forms there is the poor of worldly things and there is the poor of spiritual things. Its better to be poor of worldly things than spiritual things but even some are poor both ways.

While there are many ways to help and if you help and a leader steals a percent just trust God that enough will get there to help fill the needs but as for the leader that steals he will receive his or her reward in the end .

For we get rewarded good for good and bad for bad unless God’s grants of forgiveness of the bad by us asking with action to changed the bad ways. Saying we will changed means nothing but the action of at least trying to changed means a lot.

I wrote this over time because in my dreams and visions I been seeing how some people are chasing money when its all about spiritual blessing from living the fruits of the spirit. Living the best we can as Jesus live on this earth.

The walk of love of self as a child of God who loves all people no matter what some may say or think but because love helps while hate only hurts.

I dearly thank you for reading this my friends, with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy.

PS I add here a tread I wrote unknown date for X-Way Ministry friends but I update this to help I can only hope it helps.

(title) I want to get rich

(This is what a cult leader taught me and I believe his reason to teaching and miss leading many people was just to get rich)

Do you recall when Dr Victor Paul Wierwille taught us about Simon the sorcery. When he saw that my laying on the apostles hands the people who believe receive the gift of holy spirit. He said give this power he offered them money.

(The scripture that was used.)

Acts 8:18 -24 KJV “And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

24 Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.”

( The Way leader taught that we are not to sale the gift of holy spirit but this leader taught a class on how to receive the holy spirit to get rich.

I wanted to note this because some church leaders teach it wrong to ask for money but their whole show seems to be about getting money.

But we can thank God that they are not all that way but we can learn from them but we must be careful with our money if we are to use it as a wise child of God.)

More or less Simon the sorcery wanted to buy the power to give others the gift of holy spirit. Why I ask you? Is it so he could resell it to become rich? The Way leader said one can not sell or buy that gift Acts 8:18-24.

Now the Way leader used a class to lead others into the gift of holy spirit. The use of a class is not wrong. But is it wrong to charge money for receiving the gift of holy spirit? Is any the same as Simon the sorcery wanted to do.

(Yes it is wrong to charge money for receiving the gift of holy spirit.)

But Simon the sorcery change his mind and ask Paul to pray for him. But the Way leader just change the price of the class from etc to etc. Now it is not wrong to charge for books? (I am not sure.) But I believe it is wrong to charge for leading people into the gift of the holy spirit.

Now did the Way leader do it to get rich or did he have a lack of knowledge about what to do? (This man die a rich man. ) I have all ways believe he was a good man in heart. But I have never understanding why he and others have charge for leading others into the gift of holy spirit.

Now I do believe it takes money to put a class together and nothing in this world is free. But where should that money come from? The sale of books, food and things could help.

I believe the money of a Church or a fellowship should come from the stewardship of its believers. To put it simple where a Church goes is up to the believers who stewardship there by giving money there.

If a Church sales every thing I ask you what happen to giving and receiving. To receive one most give some thing first. I believe if the Way leader would of gave the gift of holy spirit free or the class he used to lead others into it. The ones who got it free would buy his books and give to his Church even since that all would not stay he would make ten times the money.

Now I do not know what more to say about this subject. But I ask you for your input . Please show me where I am wrong if wrong and if right where I am right.

Thank you

Roy

Ps

I am glad that I receive the class and believe its was $200.00 well spend but that does not make it right.

(Now I wrote to help some face the truth about money within the Way cult I was in and many are still in. But all I can do is try to help.

Thank you, with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy.

[waysider]

Roy ------------I just now read your post on $,$,and more $. You are so right, my friend. I doubt that GOD carries a wallet. Giving can involve anything. It can be a car, a ride home, time volunteering, or even a much needed smile and kind word. I can't remember the scripture used, but someone once told me that what we should expect to receive back is an even greater capacity to give. That way noone loses and there is no guilt in expecting to receive back.

Holy hugs back at ya, Bro.

[Kit Sober]

Abigail's thread on the tithe

Abigail gives some nice stuff about the Tithe from a Jewish perspective, also in this forum.

[year2027]

God first

Beloved waysider and Kit Sober

God loves us all my dear friends

yes God has no wallet or bank

I love that statement of truth "Giving can involve anything"

thanks for the holy hugs

yes I love Abigail's Jewish perspective of things too

Thank you,

with love and a holy kisses blowing your ways Roy