I believe it is that knowing our number is not small that has helped some see the light so they could begin to make sense of it all. And make right choices.
What are you looking for? He boinked me? He used condem...he didn't use a condem? He sucked my tits or didn't...he gave me alcohol or didnt. What is the POINT???
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You want clips or details how he dealt with people in bed and how he got them there?
Why is this so important to know? Or why are you obsessed by it????
What are you looking for? He boinked me? He used condem...he didn't use a condem? He sucked my tits or didn't...he gave me alcohol or didnt. What is the POINT???
Wait a minute... I thought VPea was up 16, 18, 20 hrs a day, just milking, err, working that word, he had the heavy burden of all in the ministry, believers, properties, policies, work, and all else. He was fervently praying for all of us, researching, preparing for teachings, overseeing all the work of the ministry, and on and on and on... Quite the doulos, without the soldier part.
Seems to me he had quite a bit of "free" time, not to mention funds, to have little drinking doos on the coach, oddles of time to convince females, one by one, of their inner and outer God-giving beauty, to lovingly "teach" them about the "real" love of God and their own bodies, then cast them away after they "mastered" servicing the master.
Hows come I, as a lowly SCUM believer, never had this kind of time on MY hands?? I only got reproved for not doing enough, not giving enough. Never good enough. GOD is the one that caused any real sweet times of fellowship I had in the way.
Anything real and Godly I received in the ministry was because GOD caused it. Not VP. Maybe THAT is the point, Sopwag.
What an eye-opener. And a can opener. I think I opened a can or worms.
Thanks for all the info, Exie.
Eagle
eagle PLEASE don't be offended by what i'm going to say. this is not INFO for me. this is my soul my heart my life ..... always will be with me i'm sorry to say.... far too many emotions and feelings for me ever to describe. even when you've told the story (ok account let's get accurate) a million times and got counseling and understand you are not responsible, i can't tell you what it does to your soul inside
peace
oh and one more thing, the fact that others have not told here, believe me, the number is quite something else
No, nothing like you thought. Just trying to see if LCM's affairs traced back to VPW training. That was all.
Your posts, however, are offensive.
I believe it is time to end this thread. If anyone wants to continue with me on this in a personal way, send an IM and I'll answer. But again, if it opens up the past and hard feelings, it is best to put it as far in the past as possible.
Next time I want this kind of information I'll go to the chat room.
It was hard for me to believe VPW did this kind of behavior, and hard to accept. But now I know. It blows off a lot of good memories I had in the early days.
Anything real and Godly I received in the ministry was because GOD caused it. Not VP. Maybe THAT is the point, Sopwag.
I think that view is probably shared by almost (not absolutely) everyone, no matter how many or how few real and Godly things each feels he/she received "in the ministry".
It was hard for me to believe VPW did this kind of behavior, and hard to accept. But now I know. It blows off a lot of good memories I had in the early days.
It did for a lot of us Eagle... it did for a lot of us...
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ChattyKathy
I get ya girl! :)
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CoolWaters
Thought you did. :)
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excathedra
well whatever about what will me free me or not eh ?
i still haven't posted what i set out to post. it's a lot harder than i realized
and yeah even if it is AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN etc :)
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Well keep in mind the one that said it ain't exactly fixed. :blink: :)
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excathedra
i got a ride from one campus to another
i had a drink with veepee thank you chris geer
then i was in the back of coach
those dead eyes (2 not 1)
later on approaching daylight he came over to a little pullout bed on the side and tried to wake me with his winkie puke
i played possum
he went away thank you god
never came after me again
a conquest or he wasn't interested in a corpse corps ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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i hope good people who read this believe he could have been ill
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ChattyKathy
That was a gracious way of stating that.
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excathedra
well you know i loved and worshipped the man at one time
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ChattyKathy
What those men did with sex to ones that had battle wounds already is unspeakable cruel.
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topoftheworld
((((Excie))))
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excathedra
it's sad i admit. i know so many in my boat or coach
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ChattyKathy
I believe it is that knowing our number is not small that has helped some see the light so they could begin to make sense of it all. And make right choices.
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excathedra
make right choices ? not sure what you're talking about ? not join a cult again ? not worship a man again ? not be victimized again ?
not loving god so much that you buy into this crap
yeah i can buy that
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Exie,
I'm reading this entire post per your request.
What an eye-opener. And a can opener. I think I opened a can or worms.
Thanks for all the info, Exie.
Eagle
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excathedra
thanks eagle
it was difficult
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sogwap51
Why is this so important to know? Or why are you obsessed by it????
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What are you looking for? He boinked me? He used condem...he didn't use a condem? He sucked my tits or didn't...he gave me alcohol or didnt. What is the POINT???
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No comment. Just want to make sure the comments stay captured:
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Wait a minute... I thought VPea was up 16, 18, 20 hrs a day, just milking, err, working that word, he had the heavy burden of all in the ministry, believers, properties, policies, work, and all else. He was fervently praying for all of us, researching, preparing for teachings, overseeing all the work of the ministry, and on and on and on... Quite the doulos, without the soldier part.
Seems to me he had quite a bit of "free" time, not to mention funds, to have little drinking doos on the coach, oddles of time to convince females, one by one, of their inner and outer God-giving beauty, to lovingly "teach" them about the "real" love of God and their own bodies, then cast them away after they "mastered" servicing the master.
Hows come I, as a lowly SCUM believer, never had this kind of time on MY hands?? I only got reproved for not doing enough, not giving enough. Never good enough. GOD is the one that caused any real sweet times of fellowship I had in the way.
Anything real and Godly I received in the ministry was because GOD caused it. Not VP. Maybe THAT is the point, Sopwag.
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excathedra
no offense soggie, how he got them there is a point of interest..... well to me.....
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eagle PLEASE don't be offended by what i'm going to say. this is not INFO for me. this is my soul my heart my life ..... always will be with me i'm sorry to say.... far too many emotions and feelings for me ever to describe. even when you've told the story (ok account let's get accurate) a million times and got counseling and understand you are not responsible, i can't tell you what it does to your soul inside
peace
oh and one more thing, the fact that others have not told here, believe me, the number is quite something else
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Sogwap51:
No, nothing like you thought. Just trying to see if LCM's affairs traced back to VPW training. That was all.
Your posts, however, are offensive.
I believe it is time to end this thread. If anyone wants to continue with me on this in a personal way, send an IM and I'll answer. But again, if it opens up the past and hard feelings, it is best to put it as far in the past as possible.
Next time I want this kind of information I'll go to the chat room.
It was hard for me to believe VPW did this kind of behavior, and hard to accept. But now I know. It blows off a lot of good memories I had in the early days.
Eagle
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I think that view is probably shared by almost (not absolutely) everyone, no matter how many or how few real and Godly things each feels he/she received "in the ministry".
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It did for a lot of us Eagle... it did for a lot of us...
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