"Abi, was this the recent Luther film/motion picture of 3 or so years ago? "
I don't think it was particularly recent no. It was an old black and white film, if I recall correctly. Well, it must be older because I left TWI nearly 6 years ago.
Yes, I know that song... Being in from 81-02... AND I had even heard it sung... "TIS SO SWEET TO TRUST CHRIST JESUS " :(
(Just let me understand, is this what you were referring to? That the word 'Jesus' was used in songs? Most songs I heard were being changed to be 'correct', this particular song was AVOIDED by many BC & HFC, along w/ other songs they THOUGHT didn’t FIT w/ the PRESENT TRUTH/DOCTRINE anymore)
I have the music, played it many times, accompanied on piano during fellowships & branch meetings...
It was during the late 90's that NEW songs were written by corps guys @ HQ, to FIT the theme's and teachings each year.
Most of 'these' songs were specific to 'those in the household'... Trust & Obey was sung often by the Chorus Choir, and it helped to keep people in a simple mind set, 'in that household'
My favorite 'old hymn' is 'Give of your best to the Master' by Mrs. Charles Barnard (wonderful, dramatic melody)
Relationship building did not exist in TWI. All relationships were based on a condition. Believer vs. unbeliever. Relationship with a new person before PFnAL. Your relationship with a grad of PFnAL. Relationship with an advanced class grad, with a corpse person, with clergy. All different, all based on a condition, all dysfunctional and not truly honest.
True relationships can occur with anybody and are built, take time, require compromise and honesty. It took me a while to establish some truly healthy relationships. I am sooooo glad I am out.
Relationship building did not exist in TWI. All relationships were based on a condition.
Enlightening, MountainTop! There were so many conditions to meet. People were treated with the RESPECT they ACHIVED from classes/programs.
Referring to someone 'outside' the fold as being good... was almost saying something bad... PEOPLE WERE NOT GOOD UNTIL THEY GOT COMMITED WITH TWI! And, you could never be sure until you heard them speak in tongues... so began the madness~
Sounds like a scripted play... were we all playing 'house'... or, um... 'life'?
The longer I stayed and the more classes I took, the shoddier the whole image materialized... alienation from anything normal was expected.
TWI is all but purposely behavior controling anyone into a mess , that if you're there long, you've done so many rotten things you can't even begin to explain it to "normal" people, and they twist your head into a trait that you really can't live any other way. I have thought for years they designed it, but the trith be known the spiritual corruption probably designed it, and they just fornd out that it worked. TWI takes and addicted person and makes them worse, not only do they no solve the addiction but they capitalize on every addiction and opening, to get into a control situation.
One congressperson's aide was talking to me about them, and was agast , calling them a manipulating
corruption using Pavalov's experiments in behavior control, and the Stockholm Syndrom to the max, along with just good ole religion.
I would have to say injured past coping if you let them. I was there the night Martindale bragged about the rose girl killing herself, after she refused her lifetime commitment. See what God did to her for walking out on the man of God!!! He just did'nt tell anyone that for several months they carried out a war against her and her family for her backing out. Ruined her father's business , dis charged him as a country leader, hounded her day and night , " die by the hand of the adversary then , ( and dare you disobey us).
After all that and every one turn away from her like Craig said , then she killed her self . Think about the fact that she had been working with the Way Dr. about problems like addictions etc. , and they too slammen her, and they did'nt know what they were doing?????
There is also their attorney Mr. Swift, calling the city I live in , and trying to good ole boy the police to help them get me for all the abominable things like offending the Man of God, and refusing to keep my silence about the ministry , then proceeded to chastise the police for denying his devine authority, and pushed them till they called and warned me, and almost arrested him.
They are evil, and essentially know what they are doing. Remember that crap of "clay for the hand of man of God , and girl for his bed , you refuse one of them and find out what they are.
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"Abi, was this the recent Luther film/motion picture of 3 or so years ago? "
I don't think it was particularly recent no. It was an old black and white film, if I recall correctly. Well, it must be older because I left TWI nearly 6 years ago.
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Hello OM :)
Yes, I know that song... Being in from 81-02... AND I had even heard it sung... "TIS SO SWEET TO TRUST CHRIST JESUS " :(
(Just let me understand, is this what you were referring to? That the word 'Jesus' was used in songs? Most songs I heard were being changed to be 'correct', this particular song was AVOIDED by many BC & HFC, along w/ other songs they THOUGHT didn’t FIT w/ the PRESENT TRUTH/DOCTRINE anymore)
I have the music, played it many times, accompanied on piano during fellowships & branch meetings...
It was during the late 90's that NEW songs were written by corps guys @ HQ, to FIT the theme's and teachings each year.
Most of 'these' songs were specific to 'those in the household'... Trust & Obey was sung often by the Chorus Choir, and it helped to keep people in a simple mind set, 'in that household'
My favorite 'old hymn' is 'Give of your best to the Master' by Mrs. Charles Barnard (wonderful, dramatic melody)
Give of your best to the Master
Give of the strength of your youth
Throw your soul's fresh, glowing ardor
Into the battle for truth
Jesus has set the example
Dauntless was He, young and brave
Give Him your loyal devotion
Give Him the best that you have
Give of your best to the master * (refrain)
Give of the strength of your youth
Clad in salvation's full armor
Join in the battle for truth
Give of your best to the Master
Give Him first place in your heart
Give Him first place in your service
Consecrate every part
Give, and to you shall be given
God His beloved Son gave
Gratefully seeking to serve Him
Give Him the best that you have
*refrain
Give of your best to the Master
Naught else is worthy His love
He gave Himself for your ransom
Gave up His glory above
Laid down His life without murmur
You from sin's ruin to save
Give Him your heart's adoration
Give Him the best that you have
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Yes. There was a time way back "in the good old days of twi :) " when they left the words of that hymn alone.
That was my favorite song from PFAL camp in 1973.
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Yeah, OM... I know
It's such a pretty song too.
Jerry Ray has some beautiful piano arrangements for 70 Hymns... 'World's Greatest Hymns for Piano & Voice'
A book I spent hours & hours playing from after our exit in 2002
:)
It felt good to finally STEP OUT of TWI's mind set...
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Relationship building did not exist in TWI. All relationships were based on a condition. Believer vs. unbeliever. Relationship with a new person before PFnAL. Your relationship with a grad of PFnAL. Relationship with an advanced class grad, with a corpse person, with clergy. All different, all based on a condition, all dysfunctional and not truly honest.
True relationships can occur with anybody and are built, take time, require compromise and honesty. It took me a while to establish some truly healthy relationships. I am sooooo glad I am out.
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Enlightening, MountainTop! There were so many conditions to meet. People were treated with the RESPECT they ACHIVED from classes/programs.
Referring to someone 'outside' the fold as being good... was almost saying something bad... PEOPLE WERE NOT GOOD UNTIL THEY GOT COMMITED WITH TWI! And, you could never be sure until you heard them speak in tongues... so began the madness~
Sounds like a scripted play... were we all playing 'house'... or, um... 'life'?
The longer I stayed and the more classes I took, the shoddier the whole image materialized... alienation from anything normal was expected.
I'm so glad to be OUT too.
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TWI is all but purposely behavior controling anyone into a mess , that if you're there long, you've done so many rotten things you can't even begin to explain it to "normal" people, and they twist your head into a trait that you really can't live any other way. I have thought for years they designed it, but the trith be known the spiritual corruption probably designed it, and they just fornd out that it worked. TWI takes and addicted person and makes them worse, not only do they no solve the addiction but they capitalize on every addiction and opening, to get into a control situation.
One congressperson's aide was talking to me about them, and was agast , calling them a manipulating
corruption using Pavalov's experiments in behavior control, and the Stockholm Syndrom to the max, along with just good ole religion.
I would have to say injured past coping if you let them. I was there the night Martindale bragged about the rose girl killing herself, after she refused her lifetime commitment. See what God did to her for walking out on the man of God!!! He just did'nt tell anyone that for several months they carried out a war against her and her family for her backing out. Ruined her father's business , dis charged him as a country leader, hounded her day and night , " die by the hand of the adversary then , ( and dare you disobey us).
After all that and every one turn away from her like Craig said , then she killed her self . Think about the fact that she had been working with the Way Dr. about problems like addictions etc. , and they too slammen her, and they did'nt know what they were doing?????
There is also their attorney Mr. Swift, calling the city I live in , and trying to good ole boy the police to help them get me for all the abominable things like offending the Man of God, and refusing to keep my silence about the ministry , then proceeded to chastise the police for denying his devine authority, and pushed them till they called and warned me, and almost arrested him.
They are evil, and essentially know what they are doing. Remember that crap of "clay for the hand of man of God , and girl for his bed , you refuse one of them and find out what they are.
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connerron
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Man, CONNERRON...
Yikes! :(
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