Well, Crusty Pottydunkin, I think I don't think nearly as much nor as critically as I think I do. :)
I've learned a lot from people here about critical thinking without calling it that. I've seen and watched interesting dialog, discussion and debate and learned to see how others think things through because we do have the freedom here to "think out loud". I think, I hope, I've gotten better at evaluating and looking at things from as many sides, angles and degrees as possible - the problem, however, is that this can lead to "analysis paralysis".
Thanks for your input, Belle. And I don't think there's a problem with "analysis paralysis." I've noticed a few of your posts where you've stated "I don't know" on the topic. I'm that way on a lot of things. I've said before after MarkOmalley's poll on beliefs I could have answered "I don't know" on a lot of them. I'm comfortable with that. It's not like I've written any books so I've got to defend my position or that I'm a representative for some organization and have to promote their doctrine...I enjoy the freedom to think for myself and have some intellectual humility in that I realize I'm not perfect, make mistakes and I can learn from others.
I research the h3ll out of something before I make a decision, but I don't take long doing it. As I announced on another thread, my wife and I are going to become parents. As a result, we've been reading a lot on it. Everything from me finding out what my insurance policy covers, to buying a house, and of course most importantly the actual process of being pregnant and giving birth. We're halfway through about ten books, and we've read a lot of stuff online, plus talked to a friend of mine whose wife (an ob/gyn) is going to give birth in a month or two, and to another friend of mine who is an ob/gyn herself. Plus we've talked to people I work with, our relatives, friends, etc. and have as much information as possible.
Beyond that, there are the steps you listed of things such as putting ourselves in situations to be able to figure out how we would respond to them. How we would get to the hospital as quickly as possible, even in rush hour traffic. What money we need to save up to buy stuff in the upcoming months. All sorts of things are factors that we are working on.
Critical thinking is not just something nice, but it is necessary to live well. I take nothing on "faith" but instead research, think, plan, and act as I feel it is appropriate. It's helped me stay out of trouble in the past and get into a good thing when I see it as well.
The following is from www.criticalthinking.org an excerpt of an article entitled The Elements of Reasoning and the Intellectual Standards by Richard Paul and Linda Elder
What follows are some guidelines helpful to students as they work toward developing their reasoning abilities:
1. All reasoning has a PURPOSE.
o Take time to state your purpose clearly.
o Distinguish your purpose from related purposes.
o Check periodically to be sure you are still on target.
o Choose significant and realistic purposes.
2. All reasoning is an attempt to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT, TO SETTLE SOME QUESTION, TO SOLVE SOME PROBLEM.
o Take time to clearly and precisely state the question at issue.
o Express the question in several ways to clarify its meaning and scope.
o Break the question into sub questions.
o Identify if the question has one right answer, is a matter of opinion, or requires reasoning from more than one point of view.
3. All reasoning is based on ASSUMPTIONS.
o Clearly identify your assumptions and determine whether they are justifiable.
o Consider how your assumptions are shaping your point of view.
4. All reasoning is done from some POINT OF VIEW.
o Identify your point of view.
o Seek other points of view and identify their strengths as well as weaknesses.
o Strive to be fair-minded in evaluating all points of view.
5. All reasoning is based on DATA, INFORMATION and EVIDENCE.
o Restrict your claims to those supported by the data you have.
o Search for information that opposes your position as well as information that supports it.
o Make sure that all information used is clear, accurate, and relevant to the question at issue.
o Make sure you have gathered sufficient information.
6. All reasoning is expressed through, and shaped by, CONCEPTS and IDEAS.
o Identify key concepts and explain them clearly.
o Consider alternative concepts or alternative definitions to concepts.
o Make sure you are using concepts with care and precision.
7. All reasoning contains INFERENCES or INTERPRETATIONS by which we draw CONCLUSIONS and give meaning to data.
o Infer only what the evidence implies.
o Check inferences for their consistency with each other.
o Identify assumptions which lead you to your inferences.
8. All reasoning leads somewhere or has IMPLICATIONS and CONSEQUENCES.
o Trace the implications and consequences that follow from your reasoning.
o Search for negative as well as positive implications.
What’s your thoughts on critical thinking? What works for you when you’re trying to think clearly about something?
Hey T-Bone, thanks for sharing on this!
Your post here prompted all kinds of thought & emotion for me. Since my exit from TWI, critical thinking has been the key to my safety and peace of mind.
Your questions brought back MY first few months out of TWI. It was a sobering time. Flooded with many emotions. Feeling empty and alone, feeling free, yet, not knowing which way to go. Many tears, hours of piano playing, singing loudly… THINKING & THINKING some more…
OBSERVING life going on around me. WONDERING why the SIMPLE things in life SEEMED so foreign to me. HOW could I understand and attain this normalcy, fist as an individual, then for our family?
So, like anything NEW, critical thinking is taking time to learn and develop.
The following is from Critical Thinking: Tools for Taking Charge of Your Professional and Personal Life by Richard Paul and Linda Elder, co. 2002, Financial Times Prentice Hall, pages 7,11,13,15:
“…You develop as a thinker when you explicitly notice the thinking you are doing and when you become committed to recognizing both strengths and weaknesses in that thinking. You develop as a thinker as you build your own ‘large screen’ on which to view your thinking…
…One of the most important things you can do for yourself is to begin the process of becoming a ‘critic’ of your thinking. …
Again, what I notice in my own thinking, is the knee-jerk responses that fit with TWI logic & teaching... so the development begins, and it's DIFFICULT to say the least.
Excellence in thought, however, must be systematically cultivated.
What’s your thoughts on critical thinking? What works for you when you’re trying to think clearly about something?
My thought is, critical thinking is necessary for safety and quality of life. It is necessary for quality friendships to begin, grow and survive, and for an individual's peace of mind to be accquired and maintained.
The KEY working component of this process for me, at this time is being QUIET. Questioning and Learning about myself, and how it became the norm for me to blindly accept what TWI dished out. NOT allowing the knee-jerk responses to FLY. Observation in the beginning was painful, realizing HOW my robotic thought patterns were CUTTING out some of the most wonderful things in LIFE!
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T-bone,
Re:"What’s your thoughts on critical thinking?"
My thoughts are that it's not practiced much, either here at the cafe or in the outside world.
Knee-jerk responses, 10-second sound bites, and a-priori assumptions will do just fine for most it seems.
Why should we endulge in something that requires effort, when we can just subscribe to predigested aphorisms?
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Well, Crusty Pottydunkin, I think I don't think nearly as much nor as critically as I think I do. :)
I've learned a lot from people here about critical thinking without calling it that. I've seen and watched interesting dialog, discussion and debate and learned to see how others think things through because we do have the freedom here to "think out loud". I think, I hope, I've gotten better at evaluating and looking at things from as many sides, angles and degrees as possible - the problem, however, is that this can lead to "analysis paralysis".
I'll have to think about that.....
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Thanks for your input, Belle. And I don't think there's a problem with "analysis paralysis." I've noticed a few of your posts where you've stated "I don't know" on the topic. I'm that way on a lot of things. I've said before after MarkOmalley's poll on beliefs I could have answered "I don't know" on a lot of them. I'm comfortable with that. It's not like I've written any books so I've got to defend my position or that I'm a representative for some organization and have to promote their doctrine...I enjoy the freedom to think for myself and have some intellectual humility in that I realize I'm not perfect, make mistakes and I can learn from others.
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I research the h3ll out of something before I make a decision, but I don't take long doing it. As I announced on another thread, my wife and I are going to become parents. As a result, we've been reading a lot on it. Everything from me finding out what my insurance policy covers, to buying a house, and of course most importantly the actual process of being pregnant and giving birth. We're halfway through about ten books, and we've read a lot of stuff online, plus talked to a friend of mine whose wife (an ob/gyn) is going to give birth in a month or two, and to another friend of mine who is an ob/gyn herself. Plus we've talked to people I work with, our relatives, friends, etc. and have as much information as possible.
Beyond that, there are the steps you listed of things such as putting ourselves in situations to be able to figure out how we would respond to them. How we would get to the hospital as quickly as possible, even in rush hour traffic. What money we need to save up to buy stuff in the upcoming months. All sorts of things are factors that we are working on.
Critical thinking is not just something nice, but it is necessary to live well. I take nothing on "faith" but instead research, think, plan, and act as I feel it is appropriate. It's helped me stay out of trouble in the past and get into a good thing when I see it as well.
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Belle....that's funny and worth repeating!
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The following is from www.criticalthinking.org an excerpt of an article entitled The Elements of Reasoning and the Intellectual Standards by Richard Paul and Linda Elder
What follows are some guidelines helpful to students as they work toward developing their reasoning abilities:
1. All reasoning has a PURPOSE.
o Take time to state your purpose clearly.
o Distinguish your purpose from related purposes.
o Check periodically to be sure you are still on target.
o Choose significant and realistic purposes.
2. All reasoning is an attempt to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT, TO SETTLE SOME QUESTION, TO SOLVE SOME PROBLEM.
o Take time to clearly and precisely state the question at issue.
o Express the question in several ways to clarify its meaning and scope.
o Break the question into sub questions.
o Identify if the question has one right answer, is a matter of opinion, or requires reasoning from more than one point of view.
3. All reasoning is based on ASSUMPTIONS.
o Clearly identify your assumptions and determine whether they are justifiable.
o Consider how your assumptions are shaping your point of view.
4. All reasoning is done from some POINT OF VIEW.
o Identify your point of view.
o Seek other points of view and identify their strengths as well as weaknesses.
o Strive to be fair-minded in evaluating all points of view.
5. All reasoning is based on DATA, INFORMATION and EVIDENCE.
o Restrict your claims to those supported by the data you have.
o Search for information that opposes your position as well as information that supports it.
o Make sure that all information used is clear, accurate, and relevant to the question at issue.
o Make sure you have gathered sufficient information.
6. All reasoning is expressed through, and shaped by, CONCEPTS and IDEAS.
o Identify key concepts and explain them clearly.
o Consider alternative concepts or alternative definitions to concepts.
o Make sure you are using concepts with care and precision.
7. All reasoning contains INFERENCES or INTERPRETATIONS by which we draw CONCLUSIONS and give meaning to data.
o Infer only what the evidence implies.
o Check inferences for their consistency with each other.
o Identify assumptions which lead you to your inferences.
8. All reasoning leads somewhere or has IMPLICATIONS and CONSEQUENCES.
o Trace the implications and consequences that follow from your reasoning.
o Search for negative as well as positive implications.
o Consider all possible consequences.
[edited by T-Bone who is critically very nervous]
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My thought is, critical thinking is necessary for safety and quality of life. It is necessary for quality friendships to begin, grow and survive, and for an individual's peace of mind to be accquired and maintained.
The KEY working component of this process for me, at this time is being QUIET. Questioning and Learning about myself, and how it became the norm for me to blindly accept what TWI dished out. NOT allowing the knee-jerk responses to FLY. Observation in the beginning was painful, realizing HOW my robotic thought patterns were CUTTING out some of the most wonderful things in LIFE!
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T-Bone..doesn't your brain ever get tired?!?
I think I'd end up in the critical care unit with all the thinkin' on critical thinkin'...snort.....
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I'll try some of that Tequila rx!!!!
Loosely prescribed that is.
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I'd like to know:
What's so thinking about critical? ? ? ? ??
I mean:
What's so critical about thinking?
I mean:
What's the basis of critical thinking?
I mean:
How critical do I have to think for it to be considered "critical thinking"?
I mean:
Does random access thinking count for critical thinking?
I mean:
What was this topic?
What was I thinkin'?
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