I had no clue. I've been getting emails...and before emails, chain letters...with these words nearly verbatim ever since I can remember...and long before I heard of Ben Stein, Nick and Jessica and even Anne Graham.
True and false. Ben Stein wrote everything up to "But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the America we knew went to." The rest was appended to forwarded e-mails.
Funny how a concept like keeping the public schools and teachers from getting involved in a private thing like prayer is seen as government forbidding you to pray.
Funny how a 1962 Supreme Court ruling banning said government sponsered and teacher led prayer is directly and invariably linked with the skyrocketing crime & trauncy, and dropping grades in our schools, even when NO link of any kind has been proven nor found.
Funny how religious people feel 'pushed around' (persecuted? ;)) even when its a religious man that *always* sits in the Oval Office (why even Joe Lieberman has a arguable chance at getting in that chair, ... as opposed to say, someone who doesn't believe in a god, who has about as much chance at getting in as there is a chance of Ann Coulter voting for Hillary Clinton!), there are official religious holidays 'round the year (yet no official atheist or non-believer holidays), there is In God We Trust printed on our money and you know and I know there is no way that it will ever be taken off, churches and ministries have hundreds, no, make that thousands of times the money, resources, willing & devoted people, etc., than us 'immoral/amoral' unbelievers, and at least 70-80% of the populace in this country are religious (and of some Abrahamic faith such as Judaism or Christianity) in one denomination or another.
Pushed around? Persecuted?? ... Please! Christians who were thrown to the lions in the 2nd century and Jews who were subject to the Holocaust in the 20th were pushed around and persecuted! They knew what it was like! ... We here in this country view ourselves as 'pushed around' when our candidates do not support our own political platforms 100%. We get into a tizz when Walmart puts up Kwanzaa decorations as well as Xmas (a word itself that indicates Yet Another Sign of being 'Pushed Around' I daresay?), or when they have enough of those complaints, then takes them all down, thus bringing in The Great Tribulation of Persecution. :o If our 10 Commandments aren't prominantly displayed in tax payer supported government buildings across the country, we think the Anti-Christ is taking over himself.
What verse was that in the Bible that talked about "You haven't resisted unto blood, striving against sin?" :huh:
So Mr. Stein (and Billy Graham's daughter), relax! Nobody's 'pushing you around' ((snif)). Now if you really want to know what its like to be pushed around, .... try playing atheist for a while. Now while its true, no atheist has been thrown to the lions, nor shot and thrown into the ovens/gas chambers for being atheist/unbelievers, I'd be willing to bet that the crap that we go through goes a lot farther than the minor things you have put with that you put into the 'Pushed Around' category. Ever have your car keyed because you were religious? Ever have some LARGE (and muscular) guy come up to you and scream in your face because of your believing POV? Or even have a similar LARGE (and muscular) guy come up to you when you are teaching a college class and smack you in the face because you had the audacity for saying that you were Jewish/Christian? How about even being afraid of telling your own family that you turned Jewish/believer lest they yell and scream and throw you out of the house? Even lost your job or denied one?
..... No? Well, all of these things (and a lot of times a lot *worse*) have happened to many of us unbelievers because we were/turned to being atheist/agnostic/other form of unbeliever. I've seen it myself. I've read about it myself. Stuff that I never heard about while I was in church or when I was religious. (Hhhmmmm, I wonder why?)
Frankly, I liked your performance better when you were on Ben Stein's Money. <_<
Wow Garth. I did not read it that way at all. I read it as what he thinks and not to wrong others because of what they are. I just liked the moral of the story.
I read it as "you are what you are". As far as Ben Stein and what he said was that the morals of this country has gone to crap and what has become important in this country. I don't really think he cares what you believe but it is the character of a person. He may see and say things about religion here but I think it is based more upon character and how morals really have slipped. JMHO
Well, I thought it was kinda cute up until the revisionist emailer took over.
It seems there must be a cadre of frustrated, dweebish little Republicans hiding behind their computers, feverishly cranking out mediocre diatribes against supposed ills of our society. You'd think at least they could take the time to keep the writing consistant with the original author's, or - horrors!- claim ownership of their pathetic little screeds themselves.
The only constants in all of such drivel that I get emailed to me is that it's so small in it's thinking, so ignorant in their view of history, and - most damning IMHO - so UNfunny...
The Anne Graham Lotz comments have been around since 9-11 (that I know of). She supposedly said that in response to the terrorist attacks in an interview.
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CoolWaters
Ben Stein wrote all this?
I had no clue. I've been getting emails...and before emails, chain letters...with these words nearly verbatim ever since I can remember...and long before I heard of Ben Stein, Nick and Jessica and even Anne Graham.
Wow.
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Radar OReilly
Thanks for posting this!
For some reason, it really "speaks" to me.
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True and false. Ben Stein wrote everything up to "But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the America we knew went to." The rest was appended to forwarded e-mails.
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CoolWaters
OK. Thanks Raf. Makes more sense to me now. :)
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Radar OReilly
Thanks Raf,
I am glad to hear that.............I think the graham daughter was off base on that point. Usually, I love her stuff.
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Funny how a concept like keeping the public schools and teachers from getting involved in a private thing like prayer is seen as government forbidding you to pray.
Funny how a 1962 Supreme Court ruling banning said government sponsered and teacher led prayer is directly and invariably linked with the skyrocketing crime & trauncy, and dropping grades in our schools, even when NO link of any kind has been proven nor found.
Funny how religious people feel 'pushed around' (persecuted? ;)) even when its a religious man that *always* sits in the Oval Office (why even Joe Lieberman has a arguable chance at getting in that chair, ... as opposed to say, someone who doesn't believe in a god, who has about as much chance at getting in as there is a chance of Ann Coulter voting for Hillary Clinton!), there are official religious holidays 'round the year (yet no official atheist or non-believer holidays), there is In God We Trust printed on our money and you know and I know there is no way that it will ever be taken off, churches and ministries have hundreds, no, make that thousands of times the money, resources, willing & devoted people, etc., than us 'immoral/amoral' unbelievers, and at least 70-80% of the populace in this country are religious (and of some Abrahamic faith such as Judaism or Christianity) in one denomination or another.
Pushed around? Persecuted?? ... Please! Christians who were thrown to the lions in the 2nd century and Jews who were subject to the Holocaust in the 20th were pushed around and persecuted! They knew what it was like!
... We here in this country view ourselves as 'pushed around' when our candidates do not support our own political platforms 100%. We get into a tizz when Walmart puts up Kwanzaa decorations as well as Xmas (a word itself that indicates Yet Another Sign of being 'Pushed Around' I daresay?), or when they have enough of those complaints, then takes them all down, thus bringing in The Great Tribulation of Persecution. :o If our 10 Commandments aren't prominantly displayed in tax payer supported government buildings across the country, we think the Anti-Christ is taking over himself. 
What verse was that in the Bible that talked about "You haven't resisted unto blood, striving against sin?" :huh:
So Mr. Stein (and Billy Graham's daughter), relax! Nobody's 'pushing you around' ((snif)). Now if you really want to know what its like to be pushed around, .... try playing atheist for a while. Now while its true, no atheist has been thrown to the lions, nor shot and thrown into the ovens/gas chambers for being atheist/unbelievers, I'd be willing to bet that the crap that we go through goes a lot farther than the minor things you have put with that you put into the 'Pushed Around' category. Ever have your car keyed because you were religious? Ever have some LARGE (and muscular) guy come up to you and scream in your face because of your believing POV? Or even have a similar LARGE (and muscular) guy come up to you when you are teaching a college class and smack you in the face because you had the audacity for saying that you were Jewish/Christian? How about even being afraid of telling your own family that you turned Jewish/believer lest they yell and scream and throw you out of the house? Even lost your job or denied one?
..... No? Well, all of these things (and a lot of times a lot *worse*) have happened to many of us unbelievers because we were/turned to being atheist/agnostic/other form of unbeliever. I've seen it myself. I've read about it myself. Stuff that I never heard about while I was in church or when I was religious. (Hhhmmmm, I wonder why?)
Frankly, I liked your performance better when you were on Ben Stein's Money. <_<
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Wow Garth. I did not read it that way at all. I read it as what he thinks and not to wrong others because of what they are. I just liked the moral of the story.
I read it as "you are what you are". As far as Ben Stein and what he said was that the morals of this country has gone to crap and what has become important in this country. I don't really think he cares what you believe but it is the character of a person. He may see and say things about religion here but I think it is based more upon character and how morals really have slipped. JMHO
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Well, I thought it was kinda cute up until the revisionist emailer took over.
It seems there must be a cadre of frustrated, dweebish little Republicans hiding behind their computers, feverishly cranking out mediocre diatribes against supposed ills of our society. You'd think at least they could take the time to keep the writing consistant with the original author's, or - horrors!- claim ownership of their pathetic little screeds themselves.
The only constants in all of such drivel that I get emailed to me is that it's so small in it's thinking, so ignorant in their view of history, and - most damning IMHO - so UNfunny...
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The Anne Graham Lotz comments have been around since 9-11 (that I know of). She supposedly said that in response to the terrorist attacks in an interview.
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