A la prochaine

Jonny, I do not disagree with what you are saying. Though LCM's track record right now is not in his favour. Therefore, if he were to start a new ministry without fixing the mess he created (at least coming forward with some form of apology)I'd have to go with my gut instinct and say, "I got a feeling this is bull....!!" I seem to recall that in TWI it was #1 on their agenda that they come out smelling like a rose no matter what. If they had to trample someone, sweep something under the rug, defame someone's credentials, run them into the ground, they did it in order for them to come out looking like we're right, they're wrong. I saw that political game be played over and over and over both to me and to others. Of course, this was all done in order that 'the ministry be not blamed' which we all know that that has NOTHING to do with what that scripture is saying. Now, the longer I am away from that cruel outfit, the more I see how they had things in complete reverse. Their philosophy was ... The word FIRST, humans SECOND. I disagree, I disagree, I disagree. After all is said and done and I am six feet under I will be remembered by my family, my friends, my colleages by how I treated/loved them NOT by how much bible I spewed. God will too.

JL, I think you have some valid points here. Though, I truly believe if LCM wanted to change and move on he would need to do some apologizing (understatement). As time goes on (now 7 years since the first lawsuit) those who were injured emotionally, financially, physically and spiritually sit in limbo in many ways and have to pick-up the pieces of their damaged lives. Would it not be ideal for him (if he was a true minister) to come forward and apologize if only to help those who needed healing? At least those who were at one time as you say on a "Elite Way Leadership Bandwagon" have come forward and made ammends to best of their abilities. It makes me wonder if LCM were to start up another ministry, would it really be a genuine one? Who is to say if damage was done yet again, that he wouldn't just bail like he did before?

unfortunately i'm sick hope your feeling better hope it works out hope i get the job christmas easter st.patrick's day st.valentine's day phd = piled higher and deeper (unless you're vp of course) jonny l., funny but soooooooooooo true!!!!

I love moosemeat (cooked of course) my father was a lumberjack my mother worked as a 'cookie' in the lumbercamps

My thought exactly. Who would be wanting to affiliate with him? He would obviously still be propounding TWI's doctrine...therefore coming in direct conflict with Rosie herself. How would that work? Would he attract those who are tired of the mundane Rosie show? Would it be those who would be in the dark regarding his sordid past? Or would he start his ministry based on a whole different premise than TWI's?? Maybe something to the effect of...Power For More Abundant Twisted Thinking...Be a follower, be a Leader and do what you fool heart please. Keys to getting away with it without ever having to say you're sorry!

To start up your own ministry would take some form of intelligence wouldn't it? Being a self-promoted Stud Muffin isn't all it takes to be a leader these days. :P-->

Al, The year was 1981-1982. You can private topic me if you need to.

Learn something new everyday Sky! --> when I saw a gorgeous corps woman (my roommate) walk out of the assistant corps coordinator's apartment at 4:00 am. I was on bless patrol. I said nothing. She looked at me and said..."He wanted to talk to me." --> Duh, like I was born yesterday. When I saw the same woman boast to others that she got permission by the assistant corps coordinator to spend more than her allowed $30/month budget so she could buy her very needed alligator cowboy boots. When I heard that VP had said to a group of people who were in a meeting because an ordained clergy (married) was having an affair with an 18 year old..."Is that what you're all worked up about?" When people were treated so heartlessly and with such cruelty and that that behaviour was praised and those leaders were destined to go places in the TWI corporate ladder, I knew I was in the wrong place. It makes me sick. It makes me sick. It makes me sick. The price we paid was beyond belief to have their stinking doctrine. I'm pi$$ed!

When I was 9 I was running on a beach (away from my big brother who had just thrown me in the water) and I fell to my knees. I couldn't walk. After many hours, I was taken to the hospital where they had to do exploratory surgery. They found the back bone of a cat fish in the back of my heel the length of the doctor's thumb. Even longer story. It got infected and I had to spend a week in isolation in the hospital. I had a long conversation with Richard Farnsworth in the lobby of a hotel and never knew it was him. He was here filming 'Anne of Green Gables'. Richard played 'Matthew' in the movie. Duh me -->

I haven't read this whole thread..but the only thought that keeps running through this head of mine is .... Back? Better? Better than what? It was .... from the beginning!! So it's .... now just without the smell? Is that it? -->

Belle, I completely understand how this could happen. TWI reduced us to pretty to something LCM spoke of often...LEARNED HELPLESSNESS. And we were at their beckon call because we equated their judgement with God's unfortunately. Lessons to be learned.

Dear Skyrider, I want to thank you again for this wonderful thread. You and the others who have posted here have helped untangle yet a little more of that web TWI squeezed around our skulls with their program they thought to be the 'Greatest Leadership training in the world program' the way corpse. Give me a freghen break! --> Uncle Hairy, Thank you for writing this. I remember when I was in the corps, being called into the corps coordinator's office yet again with another friend of mine. I cannot recall what it was about (I spent quite a bit of time in his office being reproved about one thing or another). Well, this time my friend and I both walked out in tears vowing to each other we'd try harder and that we weren't going to let the Devil have his way...(oh my God...I can't believe I thought that way ) Well, later that evening we had one of those 'afterglow' meetings. My friend came up to me at the beginning and said..."Lets go sit right up front at the feet of the corps coordinators so that they'll know we're meek and humble." I looked at her in disbelief. I couldn't believe my ears. I was discusted. Could this really be what God wanted from me? Could this be what being a 'leader' was all about? Anyhow, I sat at the back and she went to the front. The next day, I was once again called into the coordinator's office and told that his wife felt I had a bad attitude. Go figure! --> It was a hoop-jumping joke.

Sky, Yes we made it. What a beautiful reality! ((((((((Sky))))))))))))))

Dear Skyrider, Thank you for reminding us of that evil outfit. I sometimes become numb to the horrors I was exposed to while in that training and how it nearly destroyed me. I came crawling out on my hands and knees barely recognizing myself as a human with feelings and thoughts after that experience. Thank you. It is good to remember what we escaped with our lives from. Thank you. It is good to be thankful. Thank you.

Dear Ex-10 and Sky, When I think of my involvement with TWI, I too am sickened when I think of what I tolerated, witnessed or worse imposed upon others (family especially). What makes me want to hurl chunks the most is when I think about my ability to sit back and watch the abuse go on either to me or in front of me or worse by me. I honestly believed I had no say and if I did say anything, I would be the next topic of a corps night teaching. I was like a deer in the headlights, stunned and motionless. What a comfort to know that my life is no longer like this and that I can feel sane again. That my emotions aren't being rammed into a drawer and locked away, that I do have a mind and that my opinions matter and that family does care about me and that the devil isn't out to get me with every breath I take, that I can be safe even though i'm not part of that TWIsted cult, that you can decide the direction of your future and it's ok to do what YOU want to do and that...and that... and that... Hurl away EX :P--> ...it's worthwhile hurling!!

I've strolled by this thread a few times in the past few days and all I keep thinking is the one time I heard LCM screaming at the top of his lungs at a corps night saying.."DIVORCE IS SIN!!!!!". man oh man.. how times have changed! THANK GOD!

Robin my friend, I AM MOST CERTAINLY DOING THE ULTIMATE DANCE OF JOY FOR YOU RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! A MILLION HAPPY FACES TO YOU THIS DAY!!! :D--> :D--> :D--> :D-->

Did not Loy boy go to college in Lawrence Kansas? Perhaps that's where you are getting the Lawrence/Larry thing from.

Sudo, I believe Rhoda married another one of VPW's brothers... perhaps Reuben? Harry married Naomi Cummins...Walter's mom. the year.. around 1952??

Actually, Am going to one tonight. There is usually about 400-500 people at this party. It's more like a ball. The food is good and the music is usually a DJ. They give out awards and such for years of service at this time. It's a pretty formal affair. We usually sit at the table with my husband's branch office. The downside...they're all engineers. --> (say no more) :P-->

You are certainly in my heart and prayers at this time. :(-->

What sad news :(--> I did not know Mark personally but I knew who he was and spoke to him on occasion. A wonderful man. My heart is saddened for his family this night. I pray for them all.

OE, You are relentless! I gotta love that about you!!!

I can't help myself...everytime I read the title of this thread I want to say ... HOLY GRILLED CHEESE BATMAN!!! ( hee hee.. and it's 'robin' who started this darn thing ~ that's spiritual)! Wow.. talk about divine grilling cheese sandwich ~ this is my 1500th post...I am now an official POSTAHOLIC. Where do I sign up for the P.A. meetings? Exxie and Socksie.. I'm dying here.. hahahahah!!!

Socksie, confused 2 -->