Lifted Up

In my first residence year at Emporia, we had a small series of football games. We 8th corps beat the college division, and had to play the staff who had beaten the 6th corps (them lucky 6th corps souls had to play them first). The staff beat us, and guess who won the game? With a field goal, of all things in a touch game.

I don't think it makes much difference to pray with or without the Christ. As long as we have both in our heart. And whereever you are and whatever you're doing, I really Hope your life is going well.

No better place for God to answer prayers. BTW are you around? I see you have only two posts on your tally.

I wish my deprogrammers had realized that.

My only ROAs were 1976 through 1979. Aside from a quick but heavy downpour in 76, the weather was pretty good. Were there any ROAs in later years where the weather played havoc?

Back to Indy...it was the year John Lynn finally passed the limb mantle (to Steve Sann) after all the years he ruled in Indiana.

What magazine?

It helped indirectly because I had it in my mind to pay attention to those "freaky details", including simple out of the way things.

I remember as a kid we used to eat sometimes at "The Coffee Shop" (as if there weren't probably a thousand of these in this country) in the town in which I grew up. It was owned by one of my best friends' dad.

Probably a dumb question, but what do they do to take the caffiene out and make it decaf, if I may mention that word on this thread?

I guess in 7 or 8 years all change, but still wouldnt have recognized DM from Emporia.

Hey, my Lions are tied with Illinois in the Big Ten. Gotta get that in while it lasts. Okay, big deal. But we were supposed to be the last place team.

No wonder it was so barren when I made my spur of the moment solo visit to HQ that weekend. I bet that was the last time they every had everyone at the place at a one table lunch. Or have they gone back to that more recently?

I may have had such experiences, the ignored part at least, from both sides of the fence...on the agree and disagree side. I say may because I cannot honestly say I know their real motives.

Interesting, Oak.

If significant numbers of people cannot function without it, maybe it is. None dare call it addiction.

The two are not necessarily that connected. Some people were not hurt, or particularly so, but benefited from their time in, yet do not now believe that "all was well with the Way".

The big problem is how do you hold either party accountable in court when you have only the two parties there and two different accounts of what was said and what happened? In the choice between the risk of having a rapist go free or having someone falsely imprisoned for rape, our principle of reasonable doubt leans to the former choice, as with any accused crime. I happen to agree with that principle, having received (correctly) the benefit of the doubt in a minor case (stop sign) a few years ago. Actually, I believed in it before then. But I shudder at the hypothetical thought of being the victim of a horrendous personal crime whose attacker went free because nothing could be proven. A big problem. In this case, of course, we have the letter. I guess I would just have to know more about the case before deciding if I had any responsibility for sentencing., even if he pled guilty. The best thing to do of course is to find out as much as you can before deciding. The same reason why in baseball, if a runner slides into the cather at the plate, I do not call him safe or out until I determine where that baseball is...does the cathcer have it, or is it rolling on the ground.

I agree...and "no" must be listened to. Of course, some on GS would contend that the "no" may not be given in some cases because of threats, implied or otherwise...that is, fear of reprisal.

You obviously cannot understand South Dakota logic anymore heh heh. Actually I'm just referring to your statement about whether or not something someone does in the privacy of his/her own bedroom affects you. I think a lot of times it can. even if indirectly and/or not right away. But just because it affects you doesn't automatically kill their right to do it. I probably have a right to eat a casserole loaded with onions and garlic in the privacy of my own bedroom. But if I am suddenly discover it is later than I think and have to rush out very quickly to a business meeting with you, that act of mine done in private is going to affect you. Yes, I know what you mean, considering the subject of this thread. And I agree that we can't afford to go to the Orwellian 1984 theme of NOT being able to do anything in private. But I think what we do in private can affect others, even if not at the moment.

That consenting issue can get sticky, as I pointed out of the "you be the jury" thread. But the main point is that there are exceptions to that blanket statement. Of course, even it it does affect you, it doesnt necessarily mean there should be no right to "do it".

Obviously this hasn't stopped TWI leaders from abandoning VPW's works (PFAL, etc) in past years.

I guess you're right...and it even applies to LCM, doesn't it?

I agree; and I like to say it also in a slightly different way: Being willingly or consensually near someone or even with someone does not in the least mean that any sex, if it happened, was consensual. The problem IMO is that sex between "consenting adults" has become such an accepted practice in our secularized society, regardless of marital status or many other factors, that the rapist can (and I guess has) use that acceptance to fall back on when accused...like, "she came up with me; how was I supposed to know she didnt want to do it?".

ditto.