Lifted Up

If those who advocate and/or actively pursue death for those who renounce Islam are exrtemists, and not "mainline" Islam, it brings up an interesting point. there are quite a number of people who have publically denounced people they view as Christian extremists. It has happened on Greasespot. Whether or not they are right in their judgement is not my point. When i see islams publically denounce the death sentence for leaving Islam as not being a rwal part of their religion, then the idea that Islam is not a violent religion will gain a lot of credence. In that sense, I may actually trust what I read about, depending on thge source, more that I would a private conversation with someone I know...much less a private conversation between people I dont know as someone else relates it. If a person still of the Iislamic faith can publically renounce the idea that those leaving "the faith" must be killed, then the idea of Islam as a peaceful religion could gain some credence.

Does this mean God never really spoke to Baalam?

Actually, I don't know where anyone is, so I made this post. And I left quite a few out from that branch. I have already made contact with my fellow 8th corps from the branch and with one in the above list. But, why mess around, guess I'd better send you that PM.

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Well, that last post didn't get me wnywhere it seems...nobody knows anything?????

the term nutcases may be debatable, in the sense that the word may imply they are extremeists in the islamic faith. I have heard that many "moderates", including many who oppose the suicide bombings because so many innocents are killed, openly advocate death for those who renounce Islam. Whether or not they themselves pursue it may not make a lot of difference.

Question...can someone define holocaust denial? specifically how are numbers involved? If the number killed was not 6 million but three million, one million, or even "only" a hundred thousand, does that make the hate any less? We have plentiful examples of statements Hitler himself made that plainly illustrate his hate and how inferior he considered the Jewish people, not worthy to be called human in his eyes (thus no human rights needed). Many who argue that there were not as many as six million use that argument to deny much of the hate as well as the numbers. I think "The Myth of the Six Million" fit in that category. I don't see that connection; IMHO it was just as terrible even if there were only, say, a million or a hunderd thousand killed. Stories of serial killers who exterminated the lives of 10 or 15 people can sound just as greusome. Conversely, those who come unglued at the suggestion that the number might have been even a little lower add feul to the fire by basically saying that it wouldnt have been as bad had there been only 5 million, one million, etc. Statements such as the followng, and so many, many more, should be the answer instead of arguing about numkbers IMO... Hitler's Conversation with Josef Hell, 1922 When Hell asked Hitler what he intended doing if he ever had full freedom of action against the Jews, his response was: "If I am ever really in power, the destruction of the Jews will be my first and most important job. As soon as I have power, I shall have gallows after gallows erected, for example, in Munich on the Marienplatz-as many of them as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged one after another, and they will stay hanging until they stink. They will stay hanging as long as hygienically possible. As soon as they are untied, then the next group will follow and that will continue until the last Jew in Munich is exterminated. Exactly the same procedure will be followed in other cities until Germany is cleansed of the last Jew!" Hitler Interview in the New York Staatszeitung, 1933. "Why does the world shed crocodile’s tears over the richly merited fate of a small Jewish minority? … I ask Roosevelt, I ask the American people: Are you prepared to receive in your midst these well-poisoners of the German people and the universal spirit of Christianity? We would willingly give everyone of them a free steamer-ticket and a thousand-mark note for travelling expenses, if we could get rid of them." In the latter statement Hitler himself tried to add significance to what he said was a small minority.

No kidding. In fact, though I never personally talked with him, he lived for a while in our apartment complex south of Alexandria. (River Towers; there were 3 buildings, we werent in the same one.) He WAS the big draw and on course hit some mammoth home runs. One time he hit one down the line that went so far over the top of the foul pole that the poor umpire could only give it his best shot. The ump called it a home run, and needless to say the opposing pitcher erupted. The infielders (as well as the outfielders) played so far back that once in a while, he collected a bunt single, despite not being real fleet afoot. There were a few other big Senators moments, like Tom Cheney's 21 strikeout game, and Ron Hansen's unassisted triple play...but most of the highlights belonged to Hondo. He didnt do many commercials, but one he did do was "Frank goodness...frank goodness...for Brigg's better franks..." P.S. ...While I lived there, the senators got up high on my loyalty list, but never quite up to the level of the Indians. pressty close though. And there was the time he set a record by hitting 10 home runs in a week...only 6 games.

They were mine once.

I think there is plenty of evidence there in versus 17 through 20, plus the years of fretting and not getting an answer noted earlier in the chapter. Eli told her to "go in peace" and God would answer her prayer; she did so (again, after years of having no peace at all about the matter), and got her answer. If that is not evidence to you, then I guess we can agree to disagree. I do thank you for and appreciate the answer; funny thing, in TWI, out of TWI, or in trying to get an answer here, I don't know why I have always had so much trouble hearing or seeing someone talk or write about this passage. But as I hinted at on the Peter Qualtieri memorial thread, neither of you, as I remember, fit into anyone's group mode.

In the end, Evan, I think we are in agreement on this particular passage in the sense that neither one of us is expressing certainty. I don't know in this case. but in my other example that follows my answer to you, i do believe there is enough evidence to suggest that hannah would not have received the answer to her prayer had she continued fretting and being so sad about her predicament. Could we be dealing with a sound pinciple and not an absolute law?

I dont know if it was that simple. The original question was one question but it had two parts. Did VPW teach that the holocaust did not happen or that the numbers were skewed? To me there is a big difference between the two; two much to answer it as one question. I mean you can answer yes, he did teach one or the other, but then the question loses some words as it has and gets boiled down to just "did he teach that it didnt happen?"

The examples I have seen here have been about people dealing with each other live, much of it family. That seems reasonable, especially since our most important relationships...and the ones that have the most to lose from not communicating...are with them. Accepting that, though, I wonder how much of Shell's inital post can apply to our cyber relationships; I mean, between people we dont otherwise know about other than their posts?

Job rose up early to give the offerings, but this is immediately linked to the reason he did so..."for Job said, 'it may be...'" And all this is what Job did "continually". there are similarities between this and I Samuel chapter 1...in versus 6 and 7, we see that Hannah's fretting was "year by year", so that even though the account of her trials and deliverance is all in one chapter of I Samuel, the time frame was not of a shorter magnitude. In any event, the account in Job is not all that deals with the subject.

I don't think we can know that it was an expression of doubt, since they had just finished saying, "He will deliver us..."; considering they had just said this, perhaps they were just telling the king that they wouldn't serve his god even if the price were a hot death.

I never have been sure why so much emphasis has been put on Job 3:25; of course it was one of our classic 'retemories"... I have always thought I Samuel chapter one was much more illustrative of the principle...most notably versus 6-7 and 17-18, and the answer to her prayer that immediately followed, though we want to read the whole thing for context i guess. I'll leave it to thse recent posters to read over and toss about here.

Take care of yourself. I just know you are a current and former poster, but I also know that behind the cyber posts, there is a real person who has hurts. I have no brilliant words of comfort. I try to imagine myself in your place and it helps, though people like BB obviously better how hard it is for you. I know words, even in cyberland, can still help or hurt, and I figure the best I can do now is add myself as one more who wants to see your life go well.

BB, You're a strong one. IMHO any woman who admits to being that old knows there are more important things that caring who knows. Life throws enough at us to get depressed about without letting getting older add to it. Whether or not you feel you have no choice, I'll bet you are one who knows how to take care of yourself. And without that, it's almost impossible to give much to others. Maybe it doesnt mean as much for men, but I'm 56. And that will go up another notch before long.

Now why cant we get any more 8th corps people to srop in like this??? Don't remember you and I'll bet the wagon you never heard of me. Outside of the oodles of 9th corps who post here, the ones I know best currently are LN/VN...of course LN started 8th with me. Or maybe you're not 9th but just someone all these people idolize? :)

The Indians got the snot beat out of them tonight. no surprise really. They are finally playing a good team. Their strengths seems to be how well they do against the weaker teams in their own division, and lately how well they have been winning the close ones. Their only two losses in the last 14 games have been by 8 and 7 runs.

The rivalry I speak of predates George, of course, and will live on after him. As such, it has nothing to do with bashing him. hey, I'll answer his letters if he wants to write to me! Now where's Simon? he gave me a hard time (in fun, obviously) for a while about my Indians.

That's probably much of it. back in the 50s of course, the Yankees were winning more than they have done in recent years. And Old Municipal stadium in Cleveland would often sell out to 86 thousand plus for Yankee series. And how true that is about being a kid. That is when lifelong loyalties are born. My biggest moment was when Mudcat Grant of the Indians gave me a personal pose for a picture on camera day in Washington in the early 60s. hey Rocky...one year, it might have been 1975, I bought an Allegheny Airlines Liberty fare for 129 bucks, on which I could fly to ad many destinations in one week as long as I didnt repeat. From Indianapolis, I flew to DC to visit family. from there I flew to Boston just to watch the Indians play the Sox at Fenway. I flew back to DC via Baltimore, then a few days later back to Indy. It was after the Sox had clinched that year. It was a cool drizzly day but they played. I dont even rremember who won.

I guess Naaman did become a fan of God after he was healed...he certainly didn't do the seven time dip out of love...though even after the event he had to ask for a break so he could bow to another god and keep his job (and life, maybe). I remember once in a softball game when i was younger, I was mad about not being put in. When i finally did get into the game, I decided I was going to smash a hit off the pitcher. Now normally, I have no control whatsoever about where the ball goes...if i manage to hit it at all. I would spray it to all fields and pop up a lot. But that time, I had no other thought and I knew where that ball was going off my bat, though I wasnt praying to God or anyone else. And right off the pitcher's leg it went (I wasn't A-rod; I didnt hit him hard enough to really hurt him). Of course in the case of Naaman, it could be said that the minister of the healing had a connection with God.

While I was never a real fan of the O's, I did spend a couple years going to a few of their games after we were Short changed in Washington. Driving all the way up to memorial stadium from the Virginia suburbs of DC was a surprising breeze given I had to drive up through a chunk of Baltimore. The one way streets and the amazingly synchronized lights had to be a work of genius. I guess my favorite O was one who doesn't eserve to be in "others"...Brooks.

Of course it's the Yankees. And yes, they are kind of a universal team to dislike. But you have to have experience as a true Indians fan to acquire the flavor of the dislike. Though I think my breeding as such a fan in the 1950s and early 1960s was during a special time for this rivalry. there is actually a mlb team I dislike more than the Yankees, but that has more to do with the team that for several years supplanted the Dodgers as my second favorite. The Dodgers made it back to my second team when we were Short changed where I was living at the time. Oh, I never lived in Cleveland, but in Shelby in northern Ohio.