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I gitta question...was anyone here...or does anyone know someone...who applied and was rejected from the start? I applied only about 5 months after PFAL, after making the decision at 2 months, after a word of inspiration from my aprrentice 7th corps PFAL instructor...he didnt tell me to sign up, but what he did say "inspired" me. I was accepted, though by then I had already become a frequent volunteer at limb HQ.

I have some tuna I was gonna leave for Catcup but havent run into her lately...you want it??? big HI!!!!!!!! \

Happy Birthday, young one. OK, you're older than I am but younger than my sister.

Psalmie, We have been faced with some difficult decisions on paying for things you know you should do, but then there is the harsh reality of budget. Maybe much different individual situations but same principle. No doubt we have made the wrong decisions at times. I don't have the answer to a lot of my situations, let alone yours. But I think I know the feeling of such a dilemma.

Oh Phooey. Yea, coudn;t think of it. There goes my reputation (which nobody knew about) as a Steve McQueen expert.

Rings a bell, but not a loud enough one. One thing though, if it rings a bell with me, it is probably an oldie.

Well, George, then why didn't you become a weatherman like me? Actually, though it wasnt my first, it wasnt too far away, something just liek that...before I knew better I thought the trees made the wind.

I have always noticed that there is something about becoming a grandma that completely overwhelms any age impications of admitting the same. No, I am not calling you an old lady.

John, I disagree with Rascal on a bunch of things myself, but I hardly think that means she is setting herself up for failure at anything. And if she is, I don't think that either one of us knows her well enough to say that.

I think you are right if it is used by someone telling others to do so. I see nothing wrong with those words if they are used by someone who is clearly talking about their own life only. The reason I put it that way relates to my earlier post on this thread. It was started just a few hours after a post by someone (whose father I knew in the corps) who, starting this other thread, did just that...but who has not been around GS enough to know the reaction that phrase can trigger.

I was never an actual "fan" at the time, except by default. When Bob Short shipped the Senators out to you know where, I drove up to a few oriole games. despite driving up from the Viginia suburbs of Washington, the drive up to old memmorial stadium was relatively easy, considering I had to drive through a big chunk of Baltimore. Short of expressways, nothing could ever beat the amazingly synchronized lights on the one way streets I drove up on.

OK, WW, how about taking a wait off our shoulders???

How big is real? REAL in caps would have to go back to Weaver IMO.

Okay, I had sent you a PM as well. Time problem understood. Instead of ranting I'llmake other plans.

Hope it's a berry happy birthday! Sorry if there are more than 29 berries on it!

Yea, please come back and visit us!!! ( Wonderful Spock logic here. If you read this request, it means you have come back. If you dont come back, you cant read this request. Hmmmmmmmm... Anyway, Happy Birthday and every day!!!!!!!

Go on with additional reasons if you wish, Tom. But, the JCING reason was the pretty immediate trigger for my deprogramming, which involved at first a particular Lutheran Church helping my family contact the deprogrammers. The year before, everything had seemed fine, there wasnt even any hit of suspicion at me leaving my work and going into the corps. I might add that JCING was the trigger, but Jonestown also was an important factor.

I make no apologies for bringing this thread back...dunno how I missed Linda's post. I guess I would say that her last paragraph is on the button. The reason that these groups are dangerous is because they go to such extremes. I was told that the extreme measures were needed because neither I nor anyone else could ever leave TWI on his/her own; we were so controlled. Many thousands have since disproven that idea. I have said my peace; so this thread may now sink back through the pages.

I forgot to send you a present. Have another birthday this month and I will send you a politically incorrect Cleveland Indians cap.

In other words, Evan, you would not include SIT along with those and perhaps say SIT alone (say, without love) is not true worship, or SIT is not the only true worship? Obviously the same could be said of those other items; e.g. cooking by itself is not worship, singing by itself is not worship, etc. Can you get much argument that SIT without love, devotion, and submission is not worship? But can it not be worship with those things...just as cooking, cleaning, talking, etc. are? The original post questions whether SIT is the only true worship. A good question I think. But your statement would say that is not even one of many forms of worship. Do I read you correctly?

I think that is a very good point to make. I would like to add that the starter of a thread which was opened just a few hours before this thread was started used a variation of that phrase ("I'm Just over it"), but also was very clearly talking about her experiences alone and no one else's. It is understandable if the use of that phrase triggers reactions in some people, but there is a very big difference in speaking for yourself, which she was doing, and telling someone else to "get over it", which she was not.

Nicole, I know you are not in the least pointing any fingers, because you are testifying from your own life, about yourself, and wat you have observed. BUt, your use of the words "I'm just over it" is a red flag to some, who then seem to forget that you are testifying about your own life and about how you are handling things. I certainly have had my own personal experiences with the "we were all brainwashed" theme we hear so many times. I was told during my deprogramming almost 28 years ago that the reason I had to be grabbed and held involuntarily was that people in TWI were so brainwashed that no one could or would ever leave on their own, no matter how bad things got. That obviously has been disproven many thousands of times over. I think that the idea that anyone, even when plainly testifying about their own life and not for anyone else, can honestly say they are "over it" , runs foreign to the idea that we were all way robots and couldnt do anything on our own. Thus the response that you are pointing fingers, even though you are not talkign about anyone except yourself and your family. So goes as well, I think, the idea that anyone can, as you testified that you did, have gained some valuable living lessons while in TWI. Or, as a former frequent and now rare poster told me years ago, "TWI taught me how to live", while going on in the same message to detail some of "the evil that evolved in TWI." Of course, with the hurts suffered by many, we should not state or even imply that someone else should be moving beyond their hurts. And you have definitely not done that, being very specific in talking about yourself and your own family.

People can change a lot in 28 years (the time since I knew them at HQ). Dunno how much they have, but it is no surprise that that part of them is the same. By the way, that was the 37th anniversary, not 42nd. I realized my mistake last year after I posted, but it was too late to edit, and wasnt worth reposting just for that.

And there's another year...

The catch is that you have to add another year each day someone posts!!!