krys

#1. Normally red blood cells live about 90 days in a healthy normal adult. When they begin to become inefficient, they are sent to the spleen for storage in case of emergency. If not used they go to the liver where they are systematically decomposed and some of their parts sent to waste, and some to produce bile and some to be recycled into new rbc's.[in an emergency, the spleen will forcefully contract and squeeze these not up to par cells into circulation to assist a failing system. Hey - it's not perfect, but some assistance is better than none at all.] #2. It takes a normal adult between 90 - 120 days to broduce new rbc's - depending on general health and overall nutrition...the norm is closer to 90. #3. double blind test studies are unnecessary when studying chemistry or physics...those rules have already been worked out BUT if you try to apply those rules to a living system...you need those kinds of tests because (a) we don't know all the rules of operation inside the black box called "living" and (b) every living thing is different...so it's physiology is also genetically different. #4 If I were to design a double blind study of oxygenated water on humans - I would NOT use those whose bodies are already primed for physical activity. Once you've maxed out....you won't see an improvement. And I believe the healthy athletes have already maxed their circulation etc to match their performance...I wouldn't expect to see any change no matter what was done...(poisonining not withstanding). I would use an ordinary group of college age (only because they are generally the healthiest)mostly sedintary folks. These guys don't have trained bodies, and I believe, if there is a difference in performance it would be shown here where the potential for improvement is great. #5. Oxygen does have the ability to bleach! But I can't understand how David's urine could have been bleached by oxygen which you claim isn't in the water in the first place!? #6. I'm ashamed to have been part of this thread if it's going to end on the comparison of the quality of one's burps! I am very thankful to Raf and Zixar and Geoy for their input. I was waiting for you guys to weigh in on this. I was interested to read your logic and comments. Except for the fact that I myself am compromised, I cannot see WHY this is beneficial to myself....I just know that it is...and I really don't believe it is a placebo effect [although anything is possible], this doesn't mean it is the end-all and be-all for all humanity.

I have a brother and sister cat. Adopted at just shy of 6 weeks. They are called Bonnie and Clyde.

Congratulations! Enjoy every single moment she's yours!

If Bob is well enough to handle it now - let him handle it. If he's not - then tell them you've changed your position on paying this premium. They don't need a reason. "I've thought about it carefully, and I don't think it's something I should be doing now." Give them a short deadline...like 2 months and say after such and such a date, you will have to assume full responsibility or lose the policy. And then - - follow through...grant no extensions. Their inheritance is not your responsibility. [sometimes, people cannot handle death and dying, so they joke about it when they cannot ignore it. I'm not making excuses for them, simply stating a fact.]

Actully - - since I've been consuming the Penta water...for all I know it could be the unclustered water.........which we know will be effective...it is a Nobel Prize winning award...maybe it's better hydration...... Think what you will. We no longer have to dine from the same can of spaghettios! I love you anyway!

I have prehensile toes

Goey: I could not agree with you more. I also looked for empiracle studies but found none. I am a special case, since I can not keep my oxygen levels high. BUT those figures 97% and so on are really measurements of that bound to hemoglobin. In order to be used, it must unbind from hemoglobin, enter the cell-bathing solution (aka lymph) and meander into the cell. Oxygen must first dissolve in the watery cell mucous surrounding the alveoli befor it can diffuse into the blood and hop on the hemoglobin. Msybe this isn't a situation which encompasses all people. Maybe it does. I'm still looking and evaluating myself. And I don't think you believe me to be a "flake" so you will have to take me at my word that I did find an energy increase. Also, realize I am oxygen compromised, as I said...so perhaps I notice it because it helps me and not the average guy. I bought some Penta water to see what happened, and the results are what I've said above on this thread. In my case, I absolutely know it is NOT a placebo effect. I do respect your words, Goey, because you use them well.

I learned (the hard way) that I had to password protect my computer. There are lots of ways to do it, but I had to. Maybe you should send this girl a bill for bluz time!

9. When I was 18 my then boyfriend took me to dinner at a country club on Long Island. The dance floor was very tiny and very crowded and I litterally bumped into "Uncle Weatherby" (I can't remember his real name at the moment) He was so skinny it was scary - and his teeth were ugly. To this day I have never seen a living soul as thin as that!

If he actually did this, I'd like to think that I could rise to the occaision and forgive. But I'm not so sure I could!

10. When I was a child...on Friday nights my Father would leave a quarter on the coffee table. When my brother and I woke up on Sat Morning, we would take the quarter down to the corner store and buy a large bottle of rootbeer. Then we'd put the TV on (that my dad built...but that's another story) and watch Westerns and drink "shots" of "whiskey"...we even used shot glasses. The coffee table was our bar.

Mr Peeper's could only open his locker by measuring up from the bottom with a meter stick...and then kicking in the precise spot...the door would then spring open.

How nice! That is really awesome...both the news and the song. I hope you'll be good to each other a very very very long time!

Toxic Granny here

---sigh---So many law suits......so little time.......

yep! It's got to be the twinkies...they never rot. I've seen a lotta stuff but I've never seen a moldy twinkie. There's enough preservative in those bad boys to choke a cow. But, when eaten one at a time....the dose of preservatives builds up slowly so your body gets used to it and it doesn't kill you....that's how he got to be 78!

It is obvious to me now, exactly why they call him "strange". Excathy I love those sno cones...save them for my b'day next summer. Since we can't get a straight answer out of him....why don't we just declare that this is his b'day time (weekend) and chalk it up to ????? If somebody tells me his birthday is in April - I just won't post on his thread! pppppfffffff Happy pretend birthday, Strange Tom

"On the same page" = agree about the importance and significance of oxygenated water "On different paragraphs" = you don't peer into black boxes...that's fine...that's how your mid works...I'm not putting you down or making criticism. But since I do...and see the workings of the box, I can sometimes see the "why" of how the box works. That's all. It's a different frame of reference. But I wish you could get a glimpse of what I tell you about the black box, because I don't think you can fully appreciate the beauty of your discovery, or it's significance. For example: the simple equation for photosynthesis is water + carbon dioxode ----------------> glucose + oxygen You're more in tune with the input and output. I have to know what's going on inside the box called photosynthesis. That shows me that there's more than meets the eye. Plants do make the sugar, but sugar dissolves in water...and everything they've worked for gets washed away in the next rainstorm unless they "fix" it in position in the plant. So they convert it into insoluble starches, the most commonly known is cellulose....wood! The average concentration of carbon dioxide over the whole earth's atmosphere is about 1/2 of 1 %. Now - look at photosynthesis....all the forests, grasses etc that stand today were made by a process that used 1/2 of 1% of the atmosphere. And the process itself is only 33% efficient. Additionally - this process has fed all the animals as well....and look at what's left! Doesn't that make you look at the planet as a whole and gasp in wonder? Doesn't that make the Creator even more wonderful? I don't doubt that you think He's wonderful too, and I didn't mean to imply such in my statement. It's just that we've each been trained to look at the same thing through a different perspective...both equally valid...both true. Together, we amplify each other. To use your words without any disrespect or mockery....."it's simple". Hats off to Kit Sober who twisted your arm to make the post which started this thread. affectionately, krys

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Oldiesman, I noticed a difference by the end of the first full day. But I am one whose blood oxygen is compromised, so I would see a difference sooner than the average persoj. I'm a slow starter in the morning. As soon as I realize I'm up and alive and have finished in the bathroom I start sipping one bottle while making breakfast...and finish it with or just after breakfast. That has gotten me to the place where I can function much better in the morning hours. I have a strict exercise regimen, so I drink a bottle before it...and some days after it, depending on what I had to do that day. I try to avoid drinking another bottle just before bed only because I loath getting out of bed for the bathroom, and I would have to do that....so I drink it about 2 hours before bedtime. If I'm going out, or going to do something that requires me to use extra energy, I drink another bottle before that. It has made a significant change in my energy level so I'm very thankful to know about it. I would caution mothers....I think it unwise to give young children distilled water exclusively for long periods of time UNLESS you know they have superior nutrition and/or provide them with pediactric vitamin/mineral supplements.

Call me a crotchety old lady - but once I heard the reason she was granted a new trial I was incensed!(sp?) The prosecution stated in the trial that she copied an eppisode of Law & Order where some one did something similar to that. THERE WAS NO SUCH EPISODE. The Prosecution made it up! That's what should grab our attention! Anybody with a grain of sanity would know the woman did it but furthermore must have thought she was not in her right mind! If the prosecution pulled a stunt like this to insure conviction in this case, where the evidence was already strong....what in the name of all that's holy could they - or did they do to other defendands who may or may not have been guilty. Surely another trial will give this woman the opportunity she requires for compassionate care - meaning - treatment even it's life care. BUT let's also hope somebody goes over that Prosecution's Office with a fine toothed comb to make sure other improprieties are weeded out and stopped. Climbing down off my soap box now..........

They should just thank their lucky stars if they get an impartial judge. A jury would be an absolute luxury! When we were - - confronted - - most of us were ripped an additional opening and some of us had no idea what we had done wrong, or why it was wrong.

Dear Mr. Simplistic: Engineers accept a black box as an unknown entity. They only measure what goes in and what comes out. That is a perfectly correct way to work if you're an engineer. There are people on the planet, however, who love to peer inside these black boxes and figure them out. I am one of those people. I don't understand it all, but I do understand a great deal of it. You maintain that oxygen is not poisonous. I have showed you that essentially, literally that is correct, however, by peering into the black box, I can understand how the oxygen behaves in such a way as to do cellular damage indirectly and act as a poison. Keeping thins overly simple causes confusion sometimes in todays more highly enducated society. When you and I went to school, practically nothing was taught regarding the DNA black box, for example, because even the DNA wan't "discovered" much less understoon when I was in high school....but students today can understant what is meant when they are told something is "mutagenic". Keeping things overly simple does no service to modern day John Q. Public. Yes, medical doctors measure blood oxygen with that clothspin thinggie (pulse oximiter). It measures the oxygen in the hemaglobin, but also the carbon monoxide too....so it is a false reading in smokers (by as much as 5 - 7 %) but is the only reliable way to get such a measurement since getting a true fix on the total oxygen requires a painful needle stab in a wrist artery and time to process the results. When and if technology gives them a better tool, I'm sure they'll use it. Yes, it's true there have been a few wise-a$$ comments made on this thread...but there are also a lot more hits than I would expect given the number of posters....this leads me to believe that some are reading for information whether they act on it or not...they want to know what we're discussing. I think we should give them as full a picture as possible...and leaving out any of the black box mysteries sells them short. You and I are on the same page, David, just in different paragraphs!

With all due respect to Dave and Galen...I haven't added much to this topic lately although I believe oxygenated water is a beneficial thing. Galen...when you were in deep water...what was the atmospheric pressure that was maintained within the submarine? I doubt it was nearly as high as the pressure would have been on you had you been outside the sub. I was interested in the % of the oxygen because I know that if an individual maintains a blood oxygen content of less than 90% over a period of time the body declines with brain function and heart function compromised. It's not the quantity of oxygen outside the body - normal folks can maintain oxygen % above 90 % because if the pressure is a little higher...and the individual has normal lung function to begin with...there would be no problem maintaining a % >90% in a relatively poor oxygen environment. (yes, C02 us the big buggaboo, but I was interested in the oxygen quantity. David – with all due respect you think too much like an engineer! (sorry – don’t know how else to say it) I believe your ideas about how the body work are simplistic, unless I have grossly misread you. We say that oxygen is a poison. Perhaps it would be more correct to say that it produces poisons if not properly utilized. Most people think that C6H12O6 + 6 O2-----------------------------------> 6CO2 + 6H20 But that’s now how it actually works. The reason or purpose of the above equation is to produce energy for the cell and the body. Energy is the whole reason for it. There are about 30 separate chemical reactions, each depending on the one before it…which cells use. Some of the CO2 is made in the beginning and most of it in the middle somewhere, but the oxygen isn’t used until the last few steps. What happens is, that if too much sugar goes down this road….such that the cells cannot properly use the oxygen….poisonous products back up the system. So for convenience sake we say too much oxygen poisons the body. It is actually the buildup of these toxins which result in blindness of preemie infants or severe disorientation in very deep diving people. Preemies aren’t put in hyperbaric chambers. Oxygen is delivered under pressure via a nasal cannula. Sometimes they are kept under an oxygen tent which is slightly pressurized….but not in a chamber. Living systems are so complex. They break the geometric law stating that the whole cannot be greater than the sum of its parts…..in the case of living systems…it ain’t necessarily so!

Galen you have a Private Topic