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Whitedove your four statements in the top post on this page are the way I remember it being taught too. It''s pretty easy to get these terms or titles confused. I think (but can't be certain) that I learned that in one of the advanced grad nights one of our branch leaders held once evening a month. Once I heard it, I realized that it made so much sense and also made so many things much clearer that I wondered why it wasn't in the foundational series anywhere....because if it was, I know I would have heard it there.

Why is it so hard for some to believe that they can, indeed do the works Jesus did? Obviously if you don't believe you can, then you absolutely won't. I find this idea totally appauling. This is one of the most disrespectful thing I have ever heard about my lord Jesus Christ.

I hope it's everything you want in a birthday except 1 added year.

What I really wish they'd ban in planes, and, indeed, all public places are those really strong spicy heavy perfumes that some women believe make them desirable or attractive. We've all been victimized by the lingering effects of this. If I have to fly nakee then at least let me fly with pleasant fragrances.

I believe Galen is right about Greenpeace. If you could find and follow the money trail, I'd bet you would find some corporate or individual bank account profits from their activities! One does not need to look that far away if one lives in a major city. Gangs offer a wealth of terrorist activity to the ordinary citizen. I know of plents of folks in the Bronx and in Brooklyn who don't go out after dark for any reason because of gang activity. It doesn't even have to be dark....there are plenty of drive by shootings in broad daylight to keep most city dwellers in these areas on their toes.

How much does it cost for a 10 - 15 minute phone call home?

from joniam: Yepper! This is peculiar. But when I think about it, I was 36 when I began indoctrination with wayism and I had been raised in a strict denomination [Dutch Reformed Church]. TheEvan, of course I can only speak for myself, but I know that I came into twi with basically all these beliefs. Although my demonination was trinitarian, I personally never remember being taught to pray to Jesus and I myself never believed it literally..."God in 3 persons" never made sense to me [maybe it's the scientist in me?] I did ask about it once or twice and was told I had to take it "on faith" and my response (in my mind only) was pppffffftttt!

1. Orthodox Judaism (100%) 2. Islam (96%) 3. Reform Judaism (93%) strange! very strange....although, the judiasm I understand...

I won't forget either...not just those armed service men and women who lost their lives, but also all those that served should be thanked for their service too.

I've seen a few....even performed a few. There are stories around here about them. One was the restoration of the function of a stroke victim's right arm. Then there was healing of shoulder ligaments...that was instantaneous...and also tc's throat at communion. He had had some necessary surgery there, however had trouble talking and lots of pain from incisions. Immediately the incision healeed and pain was gone. I never prayed out loud for him....it was communion, after all,..and I didn't want to embarrass him. They were happening to those who would accept them and by way of those who continued to believe God wanted them done!

They are called typhoons if they form in the western Pacific or Indian oceans according to www.dictionary.com

Isn't there still dammage from last year's storms that hasn't been repaired?

Although I really prefer the Star Trek series, I have enjoyed each of the 5 episodes released so far. One of the things I'd like to do now....is to watch the whole series in a different order. From 1 - 6 in that order, not in the way they were released.

Zshot: Yes, from what I understand, that is the nutshell describtion of early education. But I don't think that is the whole story regarding the whole educational experience of our children. I've thought often that I would like to set up my own school system....but my views have changed about how to do that.

Zshot you have raised very important questions and they need to be addressed. One of them...using property taxes to fund school systems is one I've been torn on for years. One of the things people use in the selection of where to live is the quality of the schools. It is well known that some areas have better schools than others so that is a valid selection tool. So - - if you have children that need schools you could move into an area known for good education, or live elsewhere and send your kids to privately funded schools. I don't have a problem with using property taxes in the funding of education. I DO have a problem with the overly-high rates of taxation, however. IMHO thata needs addressing and restructuring but I think it's a valid source to draw from. I've got many thoughts on this matter, and I don't think too many people would like them! Those parents who opt for better schools usually are willing to participate in extra funding for certain specific areas of academics or sports. In fact, they enjoy it (I've been there to see this). I'm not certain how to fund them, but I strongly believe that sports, music in all forms and even shops should be a fair share of every one's education! Kids are young once...they should be "forced" into at least a cursory exposure to all of these things. (IF I wasn't forced into some kind of music class, I never would have known that some kinds of music existed because they were never playaed at home - and I would not have had an opportunity to enjoy them) I don't believe most teachers who are assigned to students with special needs get the support they need in order to serve these students. Administrators say the assistance is there....but they don't deliver! (except one experience I had)

Lindyhopper I will re-evaluate the "ginosko". However I was considering that after Adam and Eve "ate" the apple, they certainly did know it by experience. They did it...whatever it was. About the rest....still pondering.

Thanks Pawnbroker.

I came away from last night’s round table greatly enriched. We discussed “ritual”. Abi brought it up, I think, because she’s beginning to teach her children what she wants them to know. I read this thread this morning with the “teaching filter” full on (tee hee) and composed my thoughts on this section of Scripture, because whether we take it literally or figuratively doesn’t matter to young minds. My children are fully grown now but if I were teaching “Sunday School” to children I loved I think it would go something like this; and if they asked me a question about what kind of fruit it was, I’d simply tell them that I don’t know. Kids (as we all should) understand “I don’t know” without judging you as being stupid because they understand that everybody can’t know everything. So – I’ll just set this down here. If you want to use it, be my guest. If you don’t that's ok too...doesn't matter to me. But if you see something inaccurate or wrong, please correct it….’cause God’s kids need to be carefully taught and they deserve to be taught correctly (hmmm that stinks a little of “right doctrine” - - but I mean it in the purest sense) At this point in my life, I don’t want to know exactly what that tree is/was because it will likely put me back into an enforced and ungodly law. That kind of thing choked the life out of me in twi. There is plenty of value in studying specifically what that particular tree or fruit was…but God works with each of us where we are and at this moment, I choose to think in terms of concepts or ideas rather than the significance of a particular word…so when I read this passage in Genesis I understand that: 1. He has put them in a place of great beauty, prosperity and health 2. They are asked to take care of His garden, actually it’s their garden now in the sense that it’s theirs to steward. 3. They can touch the tree. and could even sew its leaves together for clothing .They can rest under it’s canopy in the shade 4. They can pick its blossoms and wear them in their hair if they want. They just can’t eat the fruit. He told them to not eat it and he told them why…”They would die” If we keep reading our Primer we turn a few pages and we see God in a discussion (with the angels perhaps?) stating that since we ate the forbidden fruit, we now know good and evil. We know by experience both. (ginosko…thank you Lindyhopper). Well up until now we’ve ginosko’d good…but now we ginosko evil too. I’m thinking that it’s the “ginosko-ing evil” that got them into trouble because God hates evil. So what’s evil? According to the Amplified Bible Proverbs 6:16 ff it’s: 16These six things the Lord hates, indeed, seven are an abomination to Him: 17A proud look [the spirit that makes one overestimate himself and underestimate others], a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,(D) 18A heart that manufactures wicked thoughts and plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, 19A false witness who breathes out lies [even under oath], and he who sows discord among his brethren I think you parents can take it from there.

I also wish you a happy belated bday. I hope it was great!

Do you think some teens try on their sexuality? Could some try homo- or hetero- to see what it's like? For some - could it be a "phase"? I'm asking because I really want to know. This is not a philosophical or rhetorical question.

Pirate: I wonder if your wife was raised by a Depression-survivor mother. I was...and everything with a forseeable use was saved...not because one could not afford to buy the item, but because the item was not available! My mom had a huge sewing basket full of used zippers and buttons that she removed from worn out clothing and saved for re-use...and she used them. When a garment was no longer wearable, she cut out and removed all the buttons and strung them together on thread and they went into that basket. This behavior never stopped even when she was in her 60's and 70's! Once I opened her freezer and there were 12 pounds of butter hiding in there. The way they used butter that was possibly a year's supply. I don't remember us ever having a matching set of glassware for the table. She had a gazillion jelly-glasses for that. (Jelly was sold in a decorative glass and had a smooth top with a lid). No magazine or newspaper ever left the house with any of its coupons, even if she didn't intend to use the product...she knew somebody might want to use it. I have to watch myself! When items are on sale, I tend to overbuy because of the way I was raised. Sometimes it's a blessing....sometimes it's a curse.

Thanks Sharon. As disgusting and reprehensible as that was, it's good to remember it...as in never forget. I will set some time aside that day to acknowledge those who died and those who lived; and I will pray that such a thing never happens again.

Indeed.....that should be our "logo" every day. Enjoy your guests and have a wonderful time!

The last several pages remind me of moose during the rut!

Welcome back! It is good to see you around these parts.