krys

How nice!

Very Cool. I had fun with it too.

An elective c-section is when it's decided to deliver by c-section before labor begins...for whatever reasons. Most of the time, an elective section is for a second birth where Dr's don't believe the once cut uterus will withstand the pressures of delivery and birth. But in this case, I believe they decided to do this because they did not know enough about the structures remaining internally. It was probably safer to do this than risk normal labor and birth since the abortion occurred fairly shortly before the other twin was born.

Coolchief: you made reference to excuses. I don't believe there are any excuses for this kind of thing. There is a world of difference between "excuses" and "reasons". I don't accept excuses. But I examine reasons to see if there's a better way to handle things. Your remarks about sexual abuses by various clergy (not only Catholics) are callus and make me think there is something very bitter about life stuck in your craw. I wonder what you would think and how you would react if you son was found guilty of molesting a younger child (supposing you had children). I don't think you can extend your imagination to that degree.Your remarks remind me of those of a few Corpse Nazi's who tried to control every minute of my existence for a time - and those other twi "leadership" who tried to maneuver me into decorating my house according to their tastes because modern style furnishings and non-earth tones are devilish. You don't really know what you're talking about.

Thanks Shell. I feel the same way - I really do. At the time I wrote that, I was concerned that this discussion could turn into a nasty fight because this is such an emotionally charged issue. Sometimes, when fierce discussions happen people lose control. But, vigorous discussion of opposing views does not mean personal feelings get hurt....necesarily. Discussions such as this thread may cause everybody to think about situations more carefully. Absolutely! I completely agree. Of course the depression idea is pure supposition on my part. But knowing the cause helps determine the best solution for the woman and society as a whole.

I raise mine too! Skoal (but I can't make the little markings for the vowels). May God bless you very richly.

Now I'm kind of sorry I opened my mouth. Maybe it would have been better if I just kept my trap shut this time. I feel the same way you do Shell, honestly I do. It's not always good, but I do seem to have the ability to detach and look at things mechanically and with no emotion. Maybe that comes from my intense training, I don't know. But I do know that postpartum depression, various biological imbalances, and even heavy metal poisoning can influence human behavior in ways I can accept, but not understand. I never felt my children's movement before birth - that was someone else's privilege as our kids are adopted (as very young infants). Even so, I also had one child who screamed non-stop with colic for 6 or more months. Briefly, I did consider relinquishing him back to the agency before I knew that it was colic and at some point, would end. Not one time would I intentionally harm them and I'm not their biological mother. I really hope you understand that I do agree with you. I just want to make certain that the woman had the full capacity to act normally. If she did...bingo - "off with her head"...but if she didn't, who am I to destroy her life for something that is not her fault? This is NOT the deranged man who was shot yesterday by air marshals in Miami. That man was asking for trouble. He knew he was bipolar and refused to take his medications. He should have been taking care of himself in order to live in our society - but he didn't - and it got him killed. That man is 100% guilty for his own death. The air Marshall's did just what they were supposed to do.

Bowtwi, I said it was a "bet"...and I don't know for sure. I guess the compassion and resistance to jump to possibly false conclusions comes from living as long as I have. It's something that comes with more time on the planet dealing with stuff myself as watching friends of mine do the same thing. Also, all those years teaching taught me many things about people and life in general...one of them is that things are sometimes not what they seem to be. I never thought about going hunting for the father and or other family to get a better picture of what was going on. Just because I don't like to rush to judgement doesn't mean I don't think the truly guilty should get off easily. If this was a deliberate premeditated attack on the infant I would throw the book at her.

I would be willing to bet that this is a case of severe postpartum depression given the age of the infant. It is very sad but I don't think the woman is by nature totally deranged or out of the circle we usually call "normal" when NOT in such a depressive and emotionally charged state of mind. I'm not saying it's OK to do things like this, but I think we rush into blaming people before we know the whole story. IF it was severe postpartum depression, the family needs help...medically and with counseling too. IF not, then I agree about removing the other child. I just don't like jumping to conclusions.

That's too bad. I also see both sides of the equation, but then again, those of us who were not there can easily see both sides cant we! But I wish the givers had more patience than it seems they had. To me, that storm seems like a long time ago, and it was 4 months (almost). I don't think most of the displaced would be fully capacitive by now to do whatever they had to do to move on. If it were me that endured that set of circumstances, I'm not so sure I would be fully able to look for and hold down a job. I would be wondering, at least the first month or so.,..how temporary is this displacement....maybe I'll be home soon and I don't want to start a new job - I want to go back to the one I had (if I had one). I think many of those who were displaced are still processing it all - - kind of as in post traumatic stress. Recovery from something catastrophic, especially when there was little or no warning (4 days and your house will be gone???) takes more time and support that this. Of course I say this now, today after seeing things play out during the storm and with the benefit of hindsight. I have no idea what should have been properly "expected" or not at the time of the events. There are no precedents for this event so everybody is on the same learning curve on this one.

This could be a lot of fun but I'm not going to reveal personally identifiable info! 1. What time is it: 3:58 pm 2. Name: 3. Nickname: krys 4. Piercings: ears only 5. Recent Movie you've seen: Dances with Wolves 6. Eye color: green 7. Place of birth: new york 8. Favorite food: a good steak; most fruits 9. Ever been toilet papering? nope 10. Love someone so much it made you cry? yes ever hate sumone so much it made you cry? yes 11. Been in a car accident: once and it was a bad one 12. Favorite day of the week: Saturday morning 13. Favorite restaurants: no favorites but I enjoy eating out 14. Favorite Flower: peace rose (pink with red, orange and yellow tips) 15. Favorite sport to watch: golf, baseball real wrestling 16. Favorite Drink: non liquour :water sometimes Pepsi liquour: some wines; apricot sour on the rocks, light 17. Favorite ice cream: chocolate peanutbutter swirl 18. Disney or Warner Brothers: Warner Brothers 19. Favorite fast food restaurant: Wendys 20. What color is your bedroom carpet: light gold (I hate it...it's the next thing to change here) 21. How many times you failed your driver's test? 4 (ugh) 22. Winter, summer, spring or fall: fall 23. Which store would you choose to Max out your credit card: any good electronics store 24. What do you like to do when you are most bored: I'm rarely bored, but I do love naps 25. Bedtime: around 12:30...but I'm striving to get there earlier 26. Favorite TV shows: the Apprentice; 27. Last person you went to dinner with: family 28. Ford or Chevy: Toyota 29. What are you listening to right now? Simon & Garfunkle cd 30. How many tattoos do you have: none 31. How many pets do you own: 2 cats and 1 husband 32. Which came first the chicken or the chicken egg? an egg that was genetically different from it's parents

What a great story!

P.S. this is just my opinion: The idea of forcing a woman of any age to carry the products of conception due to rape is absurd and inhumane. If she decides to carry the child, that's fine. But to force it upon her ads insult to injury. First forcibly rape her, then forceably inseminate her then force her to 9 months of continuing changes in and to her body, to say nothing of what the outside world will do to her. I suppose next you will expect her to abandon any semblance of normal life to support this "foreigneor". There are women who will do this willingly because of their own convictions, but it isn't humane to subject every female to that standard. We have to treat prisoners of war better than that!

This is just for information...I don't intend to start a ruckus here. When I was a babe, I was prohibited by law from having a bank account until I was a full year old. I could not have a life insurance policy until the same time. Perhaps it was the large number of early infant deaths at that time. My father could take me as a dependent on his income tax at the moment I drew breath. We had savings accounts with no social security numbers, we didn't need those until we started working and our employer needed the # to deposit our with holdings to. Today an infant can get .... number and a bank account and daddy can't take the child as a deduction without such a number. Caution, snide remark follows.....perhaps legally, person-hood is determined by whether or not ....# can rightfully be assigned! So that means....at what precise moment during gestation can such a number be assigned? My guess would be about 24 1/2 weeks which is the earliest possible time for birth to occur with a possibility of survivability outside the womb. I told you it was a snide remark! So when pregnant couples refer to their unborn progeny as "my son or daughter" are they speaking metaphorically? figuratively? Literally? I don't believe that in my lifetime this will ever be settled to everybody's satisfaction, so the only thing we have is the court's legal treatment of the "preborn" witch is how many anti-abortionists refer to such a developing human.

ssshhhhh keep it quiet over there -- we don't want to wake up the good folks at PETA

I lost the links to prove it, however PETA is related to Greenpeace and neither one's prime directive is stewardship of the planet, or ecological soundness.

Here in my area, NJ (and surrounding states too) our building habits have divided up the natural habitat so deer and bear can't wanter freely. They reproduce and soon the heard is too large for the land it lives on. We have 2 choices, hunt the deer or let the entire herd starve to death during winter. The herd will get through one or 2 tough winters, but by the third, all will have eaten all of the available food less than halfway into winter. Nothing left means the whole herd dies. I don't know a single hunter here who hunts for sport only. Every one brings home the meat and also tans the hide.

24 hour food fights are fine with me as long as they contain chocolate!

We adopted the "one gift" policy long ago and we love it. Next year when our grandson is old enough we m-a-y change that, or maybe not. That depends on his parents.

CG was not the only bus driving pimp who carried a gun.

I understand where you're coming from. However I heard something that changed my mind about that. I was in a large crowd of people at an advance. A person I did not know was called on for manifestations. She spoke in German, I think it was high German but I'm not sure. I studied German in college and was good at writing english translations, but not so good at speaking it. But I did understand it - sort of - when it was spoken both from my schooling and from relatives who sometimes spoke it at home. I was so stunned that I didn't remember what the english interpretation was, and I only barely understood some of the German. What I understood fell in the realm of what one would expect to hear in manifestations...it was not German gobbeldygook.

I guess there is a good reason why the computer can't come upstairs too.

Well I do know a little about this. After my accident I now have every kind of "itis" known to man in my shoulder area. The absolute best OTC pain reliever that woks for me is Advil or some less expensive generic. However when I started to use more than the maximum dose for two days in a row the doctor put me on Celebrex. Now I know all the hype about it and it's sisters, but since I have no heart of other related problem or history, it is safe for me. Maybe a short term therapy with it after surgery might be helpful. Here's an idea. (Tongue in cheek) Learn how to hang back and be helpless until it's safe to do otherwise. Promise yourself you won't do too much too soon. And, it's annoying, it's a drag, and sometimes it hurts....but attend every single physical therapy session and work your heart out. The surgery is excellent, but the physical therapy seals the deal. Working with a therapist is theraputic, doing too much yourself isn't the same. Have you tried some of those support gloves for your wrists? I understand they are helpful. The walker sounds like an answered prayer I thing - that's a great idea. Maybe using wheels on it would make life even easier (?) and don't forget there are baskets you can put on them to hold things so your hands are free when you need to carry something. I'll be thinking and praying for you. We all want you back here and in the thick of all the food fights to come. Thwap - here's a little mayonaise for your coffee...and twapp plop, there's some mustard in your oatmeal!

Swell! We've moved up our departure several hours and will leave Sunday early so we can expect to accomplish all 18 hours of road time in clear dry weather. Whew! We do stop over night now that we're older - but we used to drive straight through! Interestingly enough, it looks like some light snow and rain will ring in Thanksgiving here. It looks like this is going to be an interesting winter. Farmer's almanac suggests heavy snow and some really cold snaps between mid December through mid Feb.....and maybe a tad more in March and April. Yeeee Haaaa! I love sledding, but not in the car!

Totally reprehensible.