krys

So for now I wonder if someone around here might need a good lay.....that does release tension you know That's plain rude.

That's one of my favorites, Jonny!

I'm so sorry for that young man. I can't imagine being prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice and coming home to this. I am glad you posted this, however. It's not for the storage company, but perhaps it's a place to start remembering that even though personally one may disagree with the military activity and war in progress, those who go to serve us, need our support when they return. I have no specific suggestions but if I was in a position to do something, I'd like to do something special, just for their willingness to serve.

I am too. Even though I also have a chronic disease, my corneas and skin can be harvested and used...and maybe also bone. I'm still thinking about the rest of me...although the scientist in me says let them use whatever they want to further research....I'm not sure whether that is the best tack at this point. I also have myself on a list for clinical trials. They may or may not help me...but many before me have done so, and I am a benificiary of their willingness, so I believe in paying it forward!

He does diseases! They are a sub-set of disasters most of the time.

I am so glad you had such a friend! It takes a real friend to "go there" with you and restore your soul. They say you can judge the quality of a person by the quality of his friends. You must see now that you are also "top quality". And - I am so glad there are such people who are still around who care enough and have the ability to that kind of digging around in your soul and leave you restored instead of condemned into a feeling of worthlessness. I am happy for you.

You'll be fine! If you think it's tangled, keep it as simple as possible until you feel more comfortable. I've found that making a "map" on paper of the ideas I want to convey, and then list the steps to get to the end of the idea often helps.

Strange One - I'll be on your crew! I can make, get, cajole or wiedle refreshments with the best of them, and I don't wash styrofoam cups. We try to get mugs for new students, and the rest bring their own of take styrofoam.

Wash your hands. Wash your hands. Wash your hands. Seriously, a woman I worked with, a teacher in a chem lab, washed her hands every time the classes changed all year and had not one single cold. And when you teach chemistry, you're handling papers from kids every day...and they do come to school with colds and stuff. Even if you're not a teacher, wash your hands often.

I can use a treadmill, but I spent some time on an elliptical trainer and found it was far superior! No strain on my back, hips or knees. There is absolutely NO pounding with that. It's like pedals on a treadmill...your feet travel in an ellipse but it's not a bike.

I also wish you a very Happy Birthday. You are strange - but much love to you anyway!

Highly gifted children often have social problems because they don't fit in either. Some of these resources may help you in this area.

It was mentioned before but Rocky said it again. I suspect that he is also on the high end of intellectual abilities. "Gifted" is a good word, although sometimes dealing with him doesn't let you think so. When he is playing, can you get a sense of what is happening in his imagination? What I mean by that is - suppose he has a small car and is rolling it by a pile of blocks. Can you sense whether he has a scene or a role he's playing or is he just rolling the car. [i'm having trouble describing what I'm thinking] Suppose he had something like a Playshool Gas Stations. Can you get a sense if he's focused on that particular object in front of him or if he is in some way relating it to your local real life gas station, or some time when he was in the car when dad or you took the car for gas or service. I guess I'm wondering if you can get a sense if he's able to pretend - and if so, at what level.

Sushi - this is great stuff and I know you've been impressed with this stuff. Keep it up - keep pushing. You may not have a child psychology degree...but you know how to handle people and you know about running classes (yeah - I know.....) so you would be really good at this. You would enjoy it and you'd be good at it. This stuff a-l-m-o-s-t makes me think I'd like another kidlett around here. I did say almost!

Kinda like the frog in boiling water, huh. Perzactly!

Welcome ROW! We don't have all those fancy coffees here, but this is damn fine java and I can get you half-n-half if you want and somebody will be around soon with some tasty baked goods, we may be too late for fresh rolls and bagels, but we've a ton of really fine baked goods here and we're known for our mighty fine pies!{Belle? are you working today? What do you have?} I don’t think that we can blame twi for all that happened (negatively) to us. We were still in control of our minds, and contrary to what I’ve heard some say, we WERE able to leave any time we wanted. No one had a gun to our heads. What we thought and think today is still up to us. I'm not going to take you to task here because you're a newbie here and you're not familiar with everything that's gone on here. There have been a lot of waters under this bridge but you're going to have to read a lot to understand. One of the reasons you have your set of experiences, and thus, your opinion is timing. You left before you had a big enough dose of the poison, or, your neighborhood was much more friendly. You mentioned that when you were reproved your leadership reminded you of Christ and what his death and resurrection accomplished. Most of us here who were in a little later will tell you that we heard little or nothing of Jesus Christ. He was for all intents and purposes absent - an after thought - usually only preached about on Resurrection Sunday (easter) and the week leading up to it. Otherwise - nada. I must say, though, that we can hear reproof in at least 2 ways: 1) The way it may have been intended ([i]possible[/i] in love) 2) With guilt You had that choice because your leadership was apparently walking in love - I got in in '78 and for several years it was like that for me too but the change was so subtle, that I didn't see it until it was too late - - that is the point of CoolWater's post. I hope you stick around here ROW. Many of us would love to know how you earlier "dudes and dudettes" remember things. Also, you seem to have yourself together so your expertise would be valuable here. You could add quite a lot to various conversations here around these tables. Again, welcome to the cafe.

way cool!

Sushi - I know you've been interested in this for quite some time. That is really good stuff! It looks like you've hit a gold mine there! Can you share the web site? I guess I was a mix of the latter 2. I never brought something to school except one time...I had to bring in a pair of pants for him. It seems that he and 2 friends were cleaning the class goldfish tank - I think it was about 5 gallons. They were not clowning around the teacher said, but somehow the glass broke and all 3 of them got wet. My son only needed new pants, he got off easy. And in the early grades, when the children had their birthday in school, their teachers requested that moms bring in the cupcakes after lunchtime and leave them in the office until they were ready for them. {But that's not hovering) I think I was sometimes too heavy handed but I did try hard to be a consultant when I could. If what you're listening to is this good - I only did about a 60% "good job". Still, today, I have to brag about my kids; they're both good solid citizens, involved in their communities. One is a stay at home mom, doing a great job at child and husband care. The other has a terrific job, works hard at it but loves what he does. When he comes home...he relaxes and plays with the "toys" he can afford. So far he's a good husband and now he is looking forward to being a father in the not to distant future Given their personalities, no matter what, they would probably be right where they are now in their lives but if I had the advantage of some of this really good coaching, we all would have had many fewer fights and my blood pressure would have always remained normal - - -well -- almost always.

I copied a short section from Roy's reply from Family Tables. As with most non-profit organizations, not everyone who starts to participate continues long term. The Family Tables Forums are for people currently participating in the fellowships, events and activities which you do not. I have read your posts on other forums including [b][u]greasespot cafe[/u][/b]. I conclude that you have no intention of ever participating with The Way Int. again Notice how he spelled us out - - lower case letters! I'm so glad they feel they have to "dis" us" ("dis is new jersey speak for causing you disrespect..it is an active idea, not passive. Many times it is a strong and serious put-down.) I am really glad they look at us that way. We are a serious threat to them. And if they could find a way to shut us down, they absolutely would in a heart beat - no regrets and no questions asked! AND -- I do believe, given the opportunity we would do the very same thing. Well - I would, I can't speak for everyone.

Okay then - - since we're still all here - - CoolWaters, since you put it in those terms, that twi was a poison - that explains a lot of things. Also, it gives me [YMMV] a plausible reason as to why I stood around so long. It explains why I didn't see the evil and what the organization was doing to me, and, it mitigates the "guilt" I felt at being deceived. That term about being deceived was thrown at us during the homo purge but also later when we were forced under other bondage such as budgets etc. What I had be oh-so-subtly taught was not to be deceived. So later when I got out, it was very hard to admit that I was. After all, "mature believers" shouldn't be caught like that should we. Especially since I had experience with a few devil spirits [not hoards of them over my 20 year stint] - and one of them was up close and personal! [for those of you who maintain that they don't exist - you're wrong, but the organization's take in this area is/was greatly overemphasized] But the very last remnant of condemnation for me [YMMV] was CoolWaters's calling "it" a poison. Poison is in the real 3-D world and I understand poison. I understand that you can be fed this stuff so slowly that you don't realize you're being affected. It can go on for quite some time like this. Then you realize you don't feel so well, but you can't pin it on anything specific...like a cold, or muscle sprain, or a bad sinus headache...it's just a case of the "blahs" but nothing you can put your finger on specifically - - - until you are really too sick to function. By that time, you're in serious trouble, and if you don't have somebody to help you realize how sick you are, and take you for treatment, that's how you'll live your life....or, if they up the dose enough you'll die. Most poisoning in the 3-D world can be alleviated or reversed. Maybe there will be physical damage, maybe there won't. But with the organization's poison everybody around you is also poisoned so nobody can really understand what is going on. So you never get the right treatment to restore you to "health". CoolWaters, thank you. I owe you one, so to speak! Unless you had really thought this out and clearly expressed it on this thread, I would always have had a lingering doubt about why didn't I see it, how come I was there so long. Putting it in those terms set me free and I'm grateful. krys

90% here - - I guess I picked the wrong correct answer in #10 - maybe. I think this is fun and it also demonstrates that we should try to use the rules we know, and beef up our skills in areas we don't know. If you don't clearly understand what's written anywhere, you won't function well...especially now.

I think so too. MarkO I agree we should ignore it - we should take it in stride. I agree with Rocky too that he should be welcomed and that there should be more of them. IF we claim that "all men are equal..." put your money where your mouth is - is the only acceptable thing to do. The same thing is true of separation of church and state...not just "churches" but all religious philosophies and practices. I would hope that someday soon, our Congressmen and -women are a true representation of the population as a whole. Our diversity seems to present problems for some people; but I think that's one of the greatest things about this country.

No - No - No - Motherof2 - I said in the beginning of the post that this was not in reference to you or the way you speak about how we understand what it is saying. I said that. What I am opposed to is the way MANY OTHER PEOPLE used the verse - those who use it to tell you that you are not being loving if you correct them, or ask questioins.....those who use it to control you...to keep you under their thumb. How many times were WE screamed at and badgered especially to do things we really felt we shouldn't have to do.....such as show them a time schedule. [i's none of their business what I do in my life...and I don't have to make a schedule for a whole week that I religiously stick to. It's none of any body's business when my spouse and I have "personal time" and how often. Sometimes things change and we decide to have "personal time with spouse" and it's not on the schedule]. I'm just using that one regarding the schedule to show how idiotic the whole schedule thing was. How I spend my money is nobody's business either. They wanted to see pay stubs and check books and monthly budgets. That's off limits - that's rude. THEY said they were guiding us in the best use of our resources, but what they REALLY wanted was to squeeze moreABS out of you AND make it stick...AND tell you God wouldn't spit in your direction unless you gave that exact amount of dollars - - and in the blue forms they could see it and if you didn't comply they would hold it against you one way or another. [some classes or events were only open to those who were faithfully giving at or above the standard] BUT when we first rebelled at those ideas we were told that THEY were just lovingly making sure we were on the right track - or however they put it. THEY would use that verse among others to make us believe that THEY only had our best interest at heart and THEY wanted us to be the "best". Richard....I think your track record is a little better than mine. Maybe I came in around 11% - 15%. You have more finesse than I do...and I lived in a "tough" area. People in some spots Joisey have a certain toughness about them in order to survive. Also - automatically I would be considered Inferior because I am a woman AND I was never Corps. But if we're going to continue this conversation, we should do it on another thread. I don't want to derail this one. I've read CoolWater's post and I'm still thinking about it and other things are coming to my mind...and perhaps others are too. Let's keep that discussion going here because I think it's a good thing to do explore. (but that's just my opinion.)

Sometimes when this verse comes up in conversations like this I see red! I belive that some people mis-use this verse and sometims they do it for their own agenda. Mother of 2, Oldiesman - I do NOT think that's what you are doing - - really. Your only "adgenda" so to speak is appropriate behavior of brother and sisters in Christ. But I just have to say what's on my mind to keep this all in perspective for everybody. Walking in love, as we were told to do, is what we should do. BUT it is not always making "nice-nice" and giving people "warm fuzzies" to make them feel loved. Sometimes we have to do things that appear to be "unloving" Love is patient: that means - if I realize that you are missing it, or as they used to say, "doing the Word" if that makes more sense to some of you, it is my job, my responsibility to try to correct you. What I say to you, may not always be pleasant, in fact if could be really hard for you to hear and accept. It is my responsibility to be patient and help you overcome that shortcoming. I don't just bark commands at you...I help you...I don't nag you, I encourage you....and I keep doing it until...........and I do it without complaining and telling everybody how good I am to do this ( I'd consider that boasting, actually). Now I didn't give an endpoint to the "until". If you are really walking in love, you will know if the person isn't really getting it, or doesn't want to, or whatever else. That's when you stop. That's patience. Many people think that patience is just putting up with so and so. That's spiritual laziness. You don't go walking around looking for faults either. If you're always looking for faults, that's all you're going to see. Besides being spiritually lazy - it also negates one of the 2 commandments that Christ gave..."love thy neighbor as thyself".Sometimes you may have to yell at him...sometimes you may need to be on his a$$ every second for a time, sometimes you have to ignore is complaining and yes, even whining. But all the time, you protect his heart, you don't go bragging to everybody about it, you don't go telling everybody you know what he did that's wrong. If you have to take it to a "higher authority" okay, but you don't revel in your abilities to spot wrong doing when you do. I really believe Cool Waters is absolutely right when she boiled down to the nitty gritty. The poison in twi was motive. That is it in a nutshell. It wasn't what they did...it wasn't necesarily how they did it....it was WHY they did it. Part of what she said:[my emphasis is in bold here] [color="#9932cc"]One of my earliest memories of the underbelly of twi was all the excitement over learning etiquette so to avoid being reproved by the MOG. At first I couldn't believe adults hadn't learned etiquette yet. I was shocked, actually. Then I was deeply disturbed that [b]they were learning etiquette not to be able to be comfortable with people, but to avoid being reamed in public[/b]. It really bothered me that the upper echelon of twi had no manners themselves. [/color] I'm sorry for such a long post. But don't get me started on that verse of Scripture because I have seen in misused so many times...and when it is misused it leads to some of the most ungodly behaviors!

No Ham. You're fine! We are so cued by our old visuals, that with all these new colors and stuff - - things just seem different. They are the same....I think. That is unless you have changed somehow. That happens sometimes.