krys

Both parents were products of it, and their parents actually endured the worst I believe. My mother's father was a cabinet maker. He could not get work but an occasional book case from the super wealthy. That kept them in milk and bread. One day one of the built-in's he was putting in....the owner of the home came to him and told him that he had lost every penny of his bank account and that my grandfather should go home because he couldn't pay him. My grandfather said if it was OK with the homeowner, he'd rather stay...at least he was busy, and nobody was being paid anything anyway. So the man said OK, and when my grandfather was finished the homeowner took him up to the attic and told him to pick out 2 or 3 pieces of cut glass as payment. That's how my family "inherited" some of the finest heavy lead crystal around. It was so heavy, in fact, that it was necessary to put a doily under it so the sharp edges didn't leave a mark on the table where it was put. My father left school after a couple of months in 9th grade to go to work to support his mother. Hubby's parents raised 4 boys during that time.His mother made all their clothes from scratch. She sometimes re-used fabric from one of her, or his (father's) garments. Both my parents never threw out a single thing if there was any value in it. My mother removed all the buttons and zippers from the dresses I outgrew, and anything else outgrown or too worn to wear or give away. That was city life in the Great Depression.

It's not so easy to discuss these kinds of things as it is to present the ideas for the discussion! There are way to many "what if's". Who really knows what's truly in the heart of a man (or woman)? And I have to tell you, in some matters, a person's heart can change! (Well, at least mine has). If someone has done a murder and subsequently has changed to the extent that it's likely to never happen again....what is the purpose of imprisonment? Those things listed above, deterrent, punishment....why? Just because you can? If they are withheld, I think it's called mercy. Grace and mercy has been given to us bountifully. When we can, shouldn't we also pass it on?

Except there was a book by that title.

Quite some time ago, he played this for me.....and told me whenever he heard it he thought of you. <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value=" name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>

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I am so so sorry! Accept my condolences too. He was, indeed a caring, loving man who was always checking around for sources of danger that could hurt his "fold". Whether you knew it or not, he was always giving of himself. I will really miss him; I did love him more than a brother. Let me know what I can do for you! krys

Maybe it will help if you think of it as God is restoring to you what the locusts have eaten.

I did. We were at an advance a whole state away....and somebody SIT in German...but I think it was high-German since I recognized it...but not every word. I got the gist of the interpretation as well (since I sorta understood the language) I knew it was high German because in college I had to take German because I was a biology major and mostly we translated scientific papers which were written only in high German.

You guys will remember a few months ago when I wrote about running into an "innie" I knew way back when.....and how they told me twig is so gentle now etc..... Well we took it to email and the same old song.....nobody cares if I talk to you, an "outtie" it's not like it used to be....for several back-and-forths......until they decided it would be better if we didn't discuss ministry matters any more....because it just was....... I agreed....and that was the last email I had from them. I really made me sad at the time, because I really thought they valued me for me....yanno??? Come to find out.....they just wanted a newbie in the twig.......makes me sick!

So, let me get this straight: when it rains in Colorado, it's God. But when it rains in Ohio, it's the devil? OMG I'm so confused. Oh - - I fee for ya - - but don't be confused....it just depends on what side of the river you're on.

oops - double post

If we leave da ministry.....we will become GREASESPOTS by midnight!

love and prayers from me too, ex.

Remember that God is who he says He is. Work on getting yourself into relaxed and trusting mode again with Him. Pray....not the "father thank you" but just honest heart sharing asking Him to help you with direction. Also - get to know who Jesus Christ really is. We were raised on "the bible takes the place of the absent Christ" but Jesus Christ isn't absent....... Bury your head in the gospels and also in Psalms and Proverbs It takes a little time, but it was 23 years of learning now to unlearn. Not everything you were taught was wrong. And we are all individuals so somethings that you can easily overcome, somebody else may have trouble with and the other way around. Stick around here at least until you get your feet underneath you again....and keep asking questions! Congratulations...this is going to be a great adventure so be patient with yourself and you will be fine.

For Shame! OldSkool - - - you're not supposed to think for yourself!!! The organization dreamed it up....you're not supposed to think about it....you are just supposed to do what they say and think what they tell you to think...... jk, of course

Suppose you don't make a decision right away. Maybe you could hang around without posting (if you can) and read, read, read everything you possibly can about who we are, etc...and then decide what's best for you.

I never thought of things this way, but maybe you have a good point. I'll re-think. Thanks Abi - - you almost never post without getting me to think about something!

Hi again, Mr Linder! Gee, it's really late...having trouble sleeping are you? That's too bad. Good night Mr. Linder.

If you're talking about the organization's bod, they made themselves the experts. There isn't anybody as perfect as them.....don'cha know and besides.....somebody has to takek the lead and show all the young whippersnappers what "perfect" is.

It's good to see you back here!

Well - - that depends on how you look at it....everybody lives on a "need" basis....how much does one really need when they truly "travel light"!?

IMHO - maybe this is our example of a seared conscience????

snip to save space No you don't sound arrogant and like you know everything....you're just stating the truth as you know it, and because of your previous assignments you do know. I've studied biology and also enough Earth Science and ecology in general to understand that some of the surface stuff will get caught in currents and migrate eventually up the east coast. Maybe the effects will be less.....but there are a whole lot of young fish fry who will starve because the oil has or will destroy their ability to grow in some way. And there is another hazard. There are plenty of bacteria and some other plankton which will "eat" the oil.....BUT in order to do that they will use plenty of oxygen, so what will the fish grab with their gills? And the more these oil consuming bacteria eat...the more they grow and the more oxygen they'll take out of the water.....so how far do you want to carry this out? I wish RumRunner was around - - he had an amazing grasp of how the earth worked. He had a kind of "reverence" for the planet....and understood how it could and would renew itself. He has a saying....(I'm paraphrasing here) " the planet has the ability to clean itself up....all of it (the planet) but it's not a good idea to sh!t in your dishwasher! Did we just do that?

Don't you just love it when such a great idea from inside your head actually comes together in real life....and little by little other folks see the wisdom in it and and want to join in? I think think this whole thing is so cool!! You done extremely good

dmiller and Oakspear, I recall the same things. I believe that one of the fields nearly bordering rt 29 was acquired and used for essential commuter parking during the ROA . I hate to see barren land also. But let's face it, there just isn't the manpower or the need to produce so much of their own food now that so few are quartered in NK. I'll tell you something though....if I lived in the area, I would certainly rent a couple of acres to plant and harvest some of my own food materials. I'd even consider renting some of their equipment to do it more efficiently. That would be a plus for everyone....those who don't have enough garden space of their own could grow some of their own stuff and the organization could augment it's dwindling coffers. I'm not interested in helping twi, but I hate to see such valuable land go to waste. And even if it would mean that twi could make some cash on the deal, let's all realize that they'll never consider this. That land is THEIRS and nobody will ever get to set foot on it unless they send in their tithes and offerings....even if "church and spirituality" mean nothing to you. Tell me...have I really become this cynical and jaded....or is this the way things really are now?