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God first Beloved All God loves us all I been reading the The Bayside Prophecies on http://www.tldm.org/Bayside/default.htm which begin Our Lady of the Roses 1968 to 1970 - The Early Years until 1994 http://www.tldm.org/Bayside/Messages/EarlyYears.htm but only read a small part but maybe others might want to look into it too thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved dmiller God loves you my dear friend Yes it is a long read but it has some good points and that seems to be a good board I will check out the new board you have join A link to find more is http://members.aol.com/beyondjw/bj.htm#MSGBRD yes some times we need to do cussing to get the point accross so yes I understand yes their "Zeal got caught up in legalism, and legalism led to slavery." as it did in the "the way ministry" a church of the underworld or at least it seems that way now thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved excathedra God loves you my dear friend I am glad you enjoyed its all ways good to see you my dear friend thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved all God loves us all my dear friend The Exodist of the Jehovah's Witness on a Ex-Jehovah's Witness board Gold Community Ex-Jehovah's Witness Forum and Recovery Site > Debate and Controversy http://p196.ezboard.com/fexjehovahswitness...=61&stop=62 great read http://modetwo.net/users/nachimir/exodist/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- The Exodist Introduction: This is an examination of the process of leaving Jehovah's Witnesses, intended for any people doing so or thinking of it. I've written a small glossary for those interested in this but not familiar with JW. A summary of this entire essay is here. Leaving will be extremely distressing, and will make a complete mess of you. You will have to rebuild a lot of things, starting with yourself. You can complete the process and become a happy, balanced individual. This is not autobiographical; there is no way that could solve your problems. That is your responsibility, and it isn't going to be easy at all. I was raised a witness, and I'm not anymore. I rejected it on philosophical grounds, and no longer adhere to any religious beliefs. I am generally happy now, and wasn't when I was a witness. That's all you need know about me, but there might be more between the lines if you really want to infer it. Very early in this document, I will use the form "You" and "They" in reference to Jehovah's Witnesses. If you don't agree with it disregard it, but it's an important distinction, and whether or not you find yourself able to use it will be revealing. None of this essay is motivated by so-called "apostate literature", because I looked at that sort of thing a long time ago and found most of it to be ill thought out and badly argued screed. Unlike the writers of such stuff, I will try to avoid using emotionally charged terms such as "cult", and "brain-washing". When referring to what you might still call "the organisation", I will use the neutral term "the construct". Most occurrences of terminology specific to the construct will be enclosed in quotes. Hatred and conspiracy theories are not the motivation behind this essay, but instead four ideas: * The belief system of Jehovah's Witnesses is wrong. * Leaving it is a traumatic process. * Help and support in doing so speeds up progress toward a healthy mental state. * A happy life away from the construct is possible. Of course, any official witness line would be that this is "apostate literature", so if you don't agree with the things I say herein, refute them for your own sake. I can't stress enough: You can disagree with anything at all, it's not a case of being "allowed" to. This certainly can't replace professional help if you need it, nor will it cover every possible repercussion of leaving JW: only the aspects I am familiar with. Intent: If think that you might not want to be a JW any longer, or even if you know for sure, it is vital that you define your possible motives. If you don't, you won't be able to justify your decision to anyone who wants you to, i.e. elders and other witnesses. So what's your reason for leaving, or wanting to? Personal or social problems? Emotionally based rebellion? A fundamental philosophical disagreement with the belief system? Wanting to do something that is forbidden within JW society, yet not wanting to live hypocritically? Are you repelled by something internal to the construct, pulled by something external, or both? The answer to those questions is not any of these paragraphs, it's within you. I don't know it: you must define it. Leaving fast takes courage and resolve. To do it healthily you have to know why you are doing it, otherwise you may simply be motivated by negative emotions such as spite or pride, then not know what you want or why you just did what you did. Once you are gone, ties are cut absolutely. You will be leaving behind any witnesses you count as friends, and possibly family too. Most witnesses will deny you even a cursory greeting. It's easier to slowly drop out. Your meeting attendance and hours on door to door gradually drop. You speak less at the meetings, and perhaps avoid socialisation. If you don't really know why you're not being a witness, yet are evidently de-motivated, you'll probably stick around half-heartedly and others will notice the trend. First, you will be "encouraged". Then you will be "counseled". If you don't find out the whys of your situation, this counseling will become cyclical: You won't know how to explain yourself to the elders (But you'll feel obliged to), and they won't be able to motivate you to come back. You will constantly be shamed by your inactive status, yet not motivated by any amount of "Shepherding" to counteract it in the way they want you to. Jehovah's Witnesses are told, and hence think, that their belief system is the best catalyst for happiness, so if all you can say is that you aren't happy, then the immediate assumption is that you are doing something wrong. If you cite a specific social problem, then you will be lectured on love, imperfection, and how you can improve the situation by trying to forget about it and thinking instead of the "New System". From within the construct, there isn't a rebuttal to any such line of reasoning. Without the construct there are plenty, but if you use reasoning not dependent on the construct you'd better know where you're headed with it, because the "counsel" will become more insistent as a result. If you do not know why you are not happy being a JW, then you will likely vacillate and become increasingly unhappy. If you can actually find out your reasons, then you can find the courage to leave, and at the same time the knowledge to explain yourself when asked. No half measures, neurotic doubts, cynicism, or vagueness will cut it when you are under questioning, and you will be questioned. The elders and others will try their hardest to keep you a witness, and their actions are genuine: In trying to persuade you to stay, they are not motivated by any sinister agenda of profit or brainwashing. You cannot refute their sincerity, and you certainly cannot explicate your own position or actions by trying to do so. Conversely, they cannot make you stay. They can only play on your self doubts, and beliefs that humans are "imperfect" and the bible is "perfect", therefore saying that the bible is right and you are wrong. Sometimes a friend will ask me how to refute a witness on a particular issue. It usually comes down to the following three facts: 1. Witnesses are not necessarily wholly wrong about a lot of things. 2. For the rest of the issue, their "faith" (a.k.a. delusion) is pretty much unmovable. 3. If you're using a second-hand argument that's been passed on verbally without any comprehensive knowledge of the issue, there's a much greater chance that you'll backed into a corner you can't get out of. If you feel some as yet inexplicable anger or dissonance with witness beliefs, you may want to go looking for reasons. The most readily available source is "apostate literature" on the net. Get out there, examine it closely, and you'll find that it is largely emotional and obsessive propaganda, quite often written by ex-witnesses who have converted to rival belief systems. Other than that, it will mostly be little known secrets from the past of the construct, examples of hypocrisy, information on financial dealings, frequently accompanied by conspiracy theories. Everyone and everything can put ideas into your head, but no-one else, i.e. apostate, witness, a contemporary, or me, can put words in your mouth unless you are weak. Weakness can be eradicated if you work at it, psychological strength is cultivated by thought. Perhaps you have had a personal revelation, or circumstance has shown a shortcoming in the construct or belief system. No matter how much you may want to spread this realisation, witnesses who are orthodox will refuse to see it. You have very little to gain by sticking around and causing trouble; instead you could be free of it and pursuing a life more fulfilling. What you are facing is a personal armageddon, where you must sort out your own motivations and beliefs then act upon them. Whether you remain a witness or not, to not act on this will mean either easily cracked delusions of happiness, or suspension in a depressed, limbo like state. Arguing finer social and theological points with witnesses is a self-avoidance strategy that might last for the rest of your life if you don't put a stop to it. The process is extremely traumatic; your identity will change if you follow this through. Parts of you will die; other parts will emerge from dormancy or be created from scratch. It is extremely likely that you will experience phases of self-loathing, doubt, mystification, fragmentation, and sometimes seem completely mad to those around you. This is normal. You will be extremely vulnerable and perhaps impressionable during this process. Get help if you can't do it alone, but make sure that help isn't: * A witness. * A strong, bullying person with a moral agenda to reshape you according to. * Someone acting solely as a representative of any organisation whatsoever that uses volunteers, has followers, a distinct ideology or system of belief, etc. This might not necessarily be religious in nature: two other examples are political and commercial organisations. During the time in which you rebuild yourself and decide what to believe and be, there will be many things ready to erode your resolve, de-motivate you and send you into negative states. There are also tempting quick fixes for such things that don't actually work out (mostly dependencies such as opiates, unhealthy relationships, and other already formed systems of belief). I'll cover the issues I'm familiar with in the next section. Fear: So, you've established your reasons and disentangled yourself from the construct - or have you? You may have officially left and burned your bridge, but there are still conditioned urges and habits that will emerge slowly into harsh relief. One is calling it "The Truth". Stop it. Stop comparing your life to stories from the bible too: Your life is much more complex than any set of historical abstractions, so any comparison is unavoidably simplistic. You're free now, and that's extremely scary. I have no alternative beliefs, or "Truth" to offer you. You have to make your own. Within the construct it is now expected that you will fail to achieve happiness. From the witness perspective, the only possibilities are that you will have negative experiences with the big bad "World", then slowly either disintegrate into madness, become permanently angry, bitter or melancholy, or return to being a Jehovah's Witness. If you have spent a significant amount of time as one, these ideas are probably a fairly big complex of doubt and fear for you right now. It's likely you will experience a raft of negative emotions, including anger, bitterness, and melancholy. It's important to realise these are not permanent states or a result of "losing jehovah's spirit", rather they are a natural reaction to the hurt and confusion that leaving entails. You have emerged from a moral system that very clearly and equivocally states judgements of "right" and "wrong". You now have very few of those absolutes from which to draw your conduct. Instead of being told that murder, violence, homosexuality, drugs, fornication, pornography, blood transfusions, short-term relationships, philosophy et al. are wrong, and that marriage, monogamy, heterosexuality, preaching et al. are right, and then believing it on pain of death, you now have to think about each of those issues alone and formulate conclusions. Do not underestimate the complexity and difficulty these issues, or of developing opinions in such a way that you're happy with and can justify your conclusions. Also, you probably won't be able to do all of it with one attempt, as your attitudes will change in relation to situations. You might still detest abortion until you're a potential parent, or homosexuality until you meet a homosexual who unknowingly shows your preconceptions and fears to be wrong. While in the construct, you've always had a reference from which to adopt a moral position on any issue, which means you might feel the urge to have an opinion on everything. Fusing sentiments is an easy thing to do, but does not count as rational thought or considered opinion. Try to be informed and decisive, but also learn to be content when you can't be, and that you can now change your mind and revise thinking without fear of divine reprisals. Generalisations and simple answers do not suffice. The JW belief system is full of them, so they're what you're used to. Because of this urge to have opinions, you might also be attracted to other belief systems, organisations or sub-cultures. There are a large number of constructs out there ready to hoover you up and ladle their own morality into your mind. JW is just one of many that can subsume a weak person and tell them what to think. Be content to not belong to anything for a while until you stabilise and find out about yourself. You may also feel the urge to cling to some of the JW belief system and discard other bits of it, but if you do that it's likely you'll hold on to some of the negative conditioning too. Try to accept things simply as possibilities for a while, rather than truths or falsehoods. There is one major thing you can do to combat JW belief and conditioning: Get rid of all of your JW "literature", and don't replace it with anything else. You have had rows of books dominating your thoughts, and now they are not useful reference, they are an encumbrance. I passionately recommend recycling it all - that's what I did. I tore all the books out of their bindings; the paper was pulped and reused, washed clean of all delusion and dogma. Plus, I did it publicly in a supermarket car park with paper bins. It was cathartic, because I was worried about being seen (and hence judged) by witnesses, and my emotions ran a gamut from ....-scared to jubilant. That doesn't make up for all of it though. In addition to belief systems, there are all sorts of mild and severe unhealthy addictions that you can transfer your anxiety to, such as food, porn, computer games, recreational drugs, shopping, the internet, and TV. None of those things in moderation are likely to harm you, but by adopting one or more as an opiate, you will only sedate yourself and either postpone or compound anxiety rather than resolve it. There is going to be major psychological fallout when you hit rejection of the bits you probably want to believe. Such as: * Wicked people are punished in the end. * By being a good person you will get to live eternally in paradise. There is no giant entity or mechanism that punishes the evil and rewards the good: only action and consequence. Responsibility is in your hands, and it is your choice. You are going to die, whether you accept it or not. The witness-propagated ideals of perfection and paradise are extremely hard to let go of, especially if you have been believed them since childhood. On it's own, the idea of death is hard to come to terms with, but with those ideals in the background it is exceptionally distressing. When you are weak you will want to believe anything that abnegates mortality. From this moment on, every setback will be harder, because there is no shining utopian hope. You cannot look to some external factor to cure you of "imperfection". Your future is no longer in the hands of god or angels, and when you screw up you can't blame demons. You are not going to paradise. The witnesses also think this, but only because they believe you will be judged a sinner and killed at "Armageddon". "Armageddon" and the "New System" are not going to happen. You are not going to suddenly lack "Jehovah's spirit" and shrivel up into unhappiness. Your energy is your energy. It will vary just like your mood, and it is not holy spirit given by "Jehovah". You are not under the surveillance of angels. The reason you may still fear armageddon is that you have believed in it simply by repeating the word for years along with a welter of emotional connotations. It will take time for you to progress out of such conditions, so remember that there is no proof in a prophecy - only faith, which within the construct is believing in something without proof. People whom you previously would have labeled "bad associates" will prove not to be. You'll also realise that some of the witnesses you knew might have been superb people, while others might have been despicable. As you free yourself of prejudice regarding non-witnesses and broaden your socialising, you'll find that (while there are major differences) the microcosm of witness society is roughly equivalent to any other cross section of society at large, all containing both negative and positive. Your self, responsibilities, decisions, actions, and consequences are now your own. Keep them that way. If it scares you, accept that and work with it. Running away from such fear will make it worse. The last few paragraphs will be very heavy going if put into practice. It will be especially hard if you are disabled or aging, but is it really worth deluding yourself for whatever remains of your life? Confusion and depression are very likely in the months, even years, after you leave the JW construct. You might experience a massive aversion to seeing witnesses you knew. You will probably feel upset when they ignore a greeting. You know that those who are disfellowshipped or disassociated are denied even the most casual of social contact, and any dealings that are unavoidable a witness will usually handle in the most perfunctory manner possible. Let them believe they are holy for this, move onto things that are worth worrying about. You no longer need approval, support, consent, or validation from them, so stop wanting it. Major and rapid changes of your state, from lethargy to euphoria and outright mania, might happen to you. If this occurs, most people will find it hard to understand it, even if they know your background. Be mindful of the fact that whatever extreme moods you experience are temporary, and over time you can de-clutter your psyche, bring into balance your rational and emotional sides, and level out your moods. You might be able to do this on your own, but you might need medical or psychiatric help. If you are suffering acutely and need help, you really shouldn't be ashamed: mental illness is not a crime, nor is it a sign of inferiority. To begin, find things that make you happy, preferably activities that don't necessarily involve social contact. If you don't find any, persevere. Keep trying new things. If you're feeling a lot of depression, neurosis, anxiety, and doubt, it's likely that you'll find it difficult to connect with people, especially when meeting them for the first time. If you make genuinely supportive friends who can understand and tolerate your present state, then you're incredibly skilled or lucky. However, your state might make you vulnerable to exploitation, especially if you've been a witness since childhood, or were taken out of school to be educated at home. You may feel like a fool or a rube, and indeed in comparison to others might be, so take things slowly. You're effectively a foreigner, but that's not a permanent state. Unless you started to make "wordly" friends before leaving, it might be best to seek out non-witness family if you have any, or begin carefully in a more physically safe environment like the internet. Psychotherapy and counseling can be expensive, and in some countries nigh unavailable. There are tools that can help you effect a cure on yourself. One very powerful tool is writing. Your thoughts will rage in turmoil, the same ones will barge through your consciousness repeatedly. Writing about it pins them down and enforces some kind of linearity. You don't need to show it to anyone else; it doesn't have to make sense or win a Pulitzer, just get it on paper. Sense will emerge in patterns, which may take months to emerge. For this technique to work, you must write about whatever you are thinking and feeling, rather than restricting yourself to certain subjects or avoiding things that elicit shame, guilt, etc. By burying such negatives, you will simply postpone them. Remember, no-one has to see what you write, and you are not under divine observation. Another is Cognitive behavioral therapy. A fundamental concept of it is that we have automatic thoughts, and that humans, because we are creative, can amplify mental states. Normally, depression is a useful state because it demotivates us (and other animals) from actions that are useless. However, we can induce, project, and amplify this state for erroneous reasons. Just one possible chain of depressive autothoughts is this: She didn't talk to me tonight That means she isn't interested in me at all She rejects me I want love but do not have it I am unlovable Everyone hates me Life is not worth living Look at the jump from the first thought to the last, and consider just how illogical each jump is. Add the concepts of "God", "Sin", "Imperfection", "External judgement" and "Punishment" into that mix, and it gets much worse. A chain of autothoughts happens very fast - they're meant to. The example given in a book I read (See below) was an antelope running from movement in the bushes. If it paused to evaluate whether or not that movement was really caused by a predator, it might end up dead. So it acts reflexively. We have similar conditioned and instinctual reflexes, and they are triggered in all kinds of complex and uniquely human situations. We are so lacking in consciousness that we let them influence us significantly. By becoming conscious of autothoughts and changing them, you can transform your general mood, and also prevent a depressive cycle when you feel it starting. Please don't take my word for it though; find a book that can give you a thorough grounding in the theory and more essential advice. The process you're going through is natural, will be painful, has no predefined conclusion, and will take time. You have lived your life by a system defined by the JW construct, constantly evaluating and correcting yourself according to the words of others. No matter how intellectually or emotionally your reject that system now, you will have a lot of conditioning to hack through. You might have guilt associations with all sorts of things, such as smoking, sex, voting, blood transfusions, drugs... * Two examples: Masturbation. Nearly everyone wanks. No-one worth listening to is going to judge you adversely for doing it (within reason, that is). * Swearing. Lots of people do this to the point of blasphemy without fear of divine vengeance. You might not want to do it for various reasons, but at least accept the fact that you are now free to curse as you please. Try saying some things out loud when alone, until they lose the guilt associations. You'll feel odd when not praying before a meal. Knocking on a door might feel strange without a bag full of tracts and Watchtowers. Knowing you can listen to someone's opinion and not have to refute or commend it with scripture may make conversation perplexing to begin with. Angels and demons do not perpetrate the good and bad things in your life. Suddenly, you have extra evenings and can lie in on Sunday mornings. You'll feel strange for while and have to combat guilt conditioning, but now you don't have to justify, for instance, TV programs you watch, books you read, and computer games you play to anyone but yourself. Breaking the rules you lived by might not be a set of habits you want, but it can be a very healthy way to reclaim your mind. One very important boundary to violate is education: Discouragement of further and higher education is, though largely unspoken, common among witnesses. Academic education is usually supplanted with study of the bible and pioneer service, those things being viewed as more important. Conditioning against education may run very deep. There are much bigger fears too. The worst case scenario is that there is no god and death is final. This is nihilism, and can lead to hatred, irresponsibility, and hedonism. There is no way for us to prove that god does or does not exist. Evolution and creation are both theories that use linear time and suppose that everything came from something, and that something either came from nothing, or it didn't i.e. it is eternal. These lines of thought lead to questions that (at the very least) we cannot yet answer. From the nihilistic viewpoint there is no morality. It is not that everything can be justified through nihilism, but that nothing has to be justified by or to a true nihilist. Nihilism is the diametric opposite of theological orthodoxy, a compete absence of any moral boundaries. A view where not only does no-one else have the right to tell you what you can and can't do, but where conversely you do not have the right to tell anyone else what they can and can't do. It's easy to run to that, so ask yourself if you truly want to. It's down to you. The book on Depression and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy: Overcoming Depression, by Paul Gilbert. Published by BCA, no ISDN Time: The separation between your mind and the JW belief system is an extremely important distinction. Rejecting the belief system is only the first step; for long after, the effects wrought upon your psyche by living by it and then leaving it will still resound internally. You might feel angry, both with others for what happened to you while you were a witness, and with yourself for being one. You have to accept that it was a part of your life, and that your past is a defining part of yourself. It would be foolish to waste the life you now have on resentment. Not every teaching and belief of witnesses is poisonous. They have some good points, and some delusions. For example, there is a small risk of disease when you have a blood transfusion, and your body will react adversely to someone else's blood. It's better than dying though. Descent into hatred and crusading against witnesses will probably send you into paroxysms of bitterness, small-mindedness, and diametrically opposite delusions. The beliefs and motivations of apostates and other detractors are often as flawed and deluded as those of witnesses. In the end it is still not constructive, and instead you could work through your negative emotions and move on to healthier things. Not trying to destroy something doesn't mean you agree with it by default. Low self-esteem and feelings of unworthiness are extremely common among witnesses, and are caused and conditioned into them by failure to live up to high and irrational moral standards, the ideal of perfection. These are habits that are amplified to the extreme by leaving the construct altogether, and indeed may long outlast any vestiges of the belief system. They must be broken to attain happiness. Residual segments will surface occasionally in relation to particular situations. You have to return to your motivation for leaving, evaluate and reaffirm it, then integrate your past with your present, and hence yourself. You mustn't let it dominate your future. In doing so you'll have to deal with all emergent effects from the individual to the social. Just one of these might be the gulf in experience and understanding created between you and most other people. Most people do not go through acute separation from a system of belief. You can't expect everyone to understand what you've been through. Other people will do what they want to, even if that is just sitting with comfortable delusions. You can only truly change yourself. The surface of a mirror may look perfect, but at less tangible and immediate levels it is not. There are impurities that can't readily be perceived. Perfection is a nice ideal, but it doesn't exist empirically. It is a subjective matter, and there is no authority that can objectify it. Humans are indeed very imperfect, we live in a society that creates anxiety, neurosis, delusions, and other irrational behavior. Whatever thoughts and feelings you have left over from the JW construct, you can beat them. I'm advising you to take control of the forces both around and within you to the greatest degree you can, and stop being a victim. You will pass a point where problems that may have been caused by the construct are no longer connected to it. You might even realise that certain problems were things you always suffered with, and that JW life compounded them. Whatever the case is, you must also realise that, unless you were seriously or even criminally harmed by individuals in the construct, the solutions to these problems now lie soley within you. You're on your own now, and fear is only one of many possible negative or positive reactions to that. Awareness of your self, past, and present is the most powerful tool you have to effect change, but neurotic delusions and anxiety can obfuscate that. While you may benefit from external help, any changes that you make are down to your actions and inactions. No organisation, society, system, culture, or construct can take credit, because none of them really reach to the core of what makes us human or alive: they are merely systems of belief, perception, thought, and action. That doesn't make all such things intrinsically bad, merely insufficient to define or complete you. You can't change what has happened to you or anyone else, but you can deal with it. Only you can decide now what you believe, who you want to be, and what you want to do with the rest of your life. A summary of this essay. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I might not agree with every part 100% percent but I believe you will enjoy it help you understand some of our friends of EX-JW that might come here and it may help some of us thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first wrote 08-14-2006 Here I Roy William Perry III known to many as year2027 come to you to share that which is being share with me from above in the very realm Jesus the Christ sits on the right hand of glory of our heavenly Father the only true God the Creator of all things known to us and not known to us yet. God is the Great Light of lights or the father of many children by love that he gave to us by sending his only begotten son Jesus the Christ to save us from our-self the very lust of the flesh, the very greet of the flesh and many others natural things of the flesh that are really not natural but lies from the creator of lies the devil the god of this world the god that has lost the war between flesh and spirit because the work of Christ. While many of this world worship this false god the devil by his many names like money, sex, power, and many others but we reach for the only true God the father of Jesus the Christ which gave us new birth in due season . I make this a short prophecy because my fleshly mind is weak but my spiritual mind is strong but one must be peaceful while the others guides me into the right words to write so God bless your heart. Thank you, with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy God is great here we are peaceful again the weather has clear up some and I am peaceful again ready to hear more from above of the things the seed of Christ can share with my fleshly heart from my heavenly father my beloved God who has gave all to me. My God gave me my very Mother Bessie Elizabeth Duff Perry Jr and my Father Roy William Perry Jr who placed my seed in my mother so my mother could make me. My God gave us as a family all that was needed to raised me right and just with love and the list is endless of all God gave me. Its by the work of Jesus Christ that the seed of spirit was planted in me but it was by my own believing that this seed was watered. The seed broke open into a image that look like Christ that grow in my heart the very gift of holy spirit. This gift of holy spirit took in the milk of the written word of God as most call the bible until the child like image could eat the very meat of the word of God. First meat I received was Faith and then years later I spoke in tongues and gave word of prophecy but all of these came as I believe the truth of the written word of God and acted on it with love, God is the great Light and we are a small part of his light rays the very lights of this world because of the gift of holy spirit Christ in us the hope of glory that life kind we will put on the new body for at the returns of Christ that very day we see the great light of God with the great light ray Christ coming to lead up were we will ever be. Some worry about what tomorrow will bring but I say do not worry only trust God because with God the end is better than the beginning and the end is just another beginning one that can not end because that is the way God set it up to be. O how long I wish I could see you face to face but there are things that hold me back at times. For I have the same weakness of flesh that you have but thank God I have the power of Christ in me if I would just lean on it more and more. For I tell you there are many names for God and Jesus the Christ but we know the ones that are our God and our Christ bye whether they teach love but if they teach hate be careful for all things of truth teach only love and that we are to love even them that hate us. For it has been said that Jesus the Christ is the compassionate one and this needs to be said about us. I have heard some being called the person who loves all and this needs to be said about us. For years back I was in a cult that seem to think they were better than others churches but in truth they were puff up my knowledge. I saw this happen many places and in many churches and it breaks my heart when so many worry more about there personal church doctrines than loving others because you can not make another believe as you do but you can love them to the point they reach out to believe as you do. Lets learn out to live love together as we reach for truth from above then our beloved God and his son can have joy in our walking in love as we should do anyway my dear friends the lights of the Great Light our God the Father of Jesus Christ. Thank you, with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved bowtwi God loves you my dear friend Yes I had plan to come but I let the cares of this world stop me I had got a hair cut and other things but then it came time I let other things get in the way it would of only been about a 2 hour trip for me maybe next year thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved Noni1974 God loves you my dear friend you have asked ------------------------------------------------------------------ Heres another question for anyone who wants to answer it.What do pfal classes teach?How much do they cost?And were you required to take them? ---------------------------------------------------------------- PFAL teach the doctrines of the Way Ministry 1. speaking in tongues 2. the dead are dead 3. give them money -- the tithe is a law of the Way Ministry 3. 99% of all scripture interpretate itself in verese 4. others parts interpretate itself by its context 5. and a few other ways The Class price depends on when you took it I would say it ran from $1,000.00 to $40.00 I payed $200.00 I guess it depended on how must they wanted No you were not required to take the class but if you did not your welcome would end most places Now I hope you not thinking about taking that class but if you are there are a few X-Way classes out there with better classes I believe but I believe you can learn more by just asking the believers here thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy God first Beloved oldiesman God loves you my dear friend sorry oldiesman I did not see you answer the question in better detail I used read bits and pieces of the tread until now sorry thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved Hiway29 God loves you my dear friend Happy Birthday Hiway29 thank you for your loving heart with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved Abigail God loves us my dear friend Yes it is "Very interesting stuff," with gives me alot to think about keep telling us about what you are seeing my friend other people view can help us think outside the box Is there really any group of mankind that are not kin to the house of Jews Noah begin mankind again and all Jews are from the seed of Noah thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first What was the first Mystery? Beloved Friends God loves us all my dear friends When reading “Pistis Sophia - Translated by G. R. S. Mead – [The First Book Of] Pistis Sophia” in chapter 1 we read “"I (Jesus Christ) am come forth out of that First Mystery, which is the last mystery, that is the four-and-twentieth mystery." but what was the First Mystery and has it been revealed to us The first mystery was will thou really die spiritually and these is why Christ came because Adam and Eve did die . Christ came because they did die to bring spiritual life back to mankind. The four-and-twentieth mystery is that Christ will come back the hope of glory Christ in us a seed so we can be changed into a being like God. But how many mysteries can you name for this book reads there are at least 24. But lets move on The book can be read here http://www.gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/index.htm we all so read that “there were also other regions within that mystery.” The first and 24th mystery In Chapter 2 we read “For it came out of the Light of lights, and it came out of the last mystery, which is the four-and-twentieth mystery, from within without,--those which are in the orders of the second space of the First Mystery. And that light-power came down over Jesus and surrounded him entirely, while he was seated removed from his disciples, and he had shone most exceedingly, and there was no measure for the light which was on him.” Out of the lights of Light – out of God the light of Light came the gift holy spirit plus We all so read “And the disciples had not seen Jesus because of the great light in which he was, or which was about him; for their eyes were darkened because of the great light in which he was. But they saw only the light, which shot forth many light-rays. And the light-rays were not like one another, but the light was of divers kind, and it was of divers type, from below upwards, one [ray] more excellent than the other, . . ., in one great immeasurable glory of light; it stretched from under the earth right up to heaven.--And when the disciples saw that light, they fell into great fear and great agitation.” It was everywhere Chapter 4 reads “While they then said this and wept together, then, on the ninth hour of the morrow, the heavens opened, and they saw Jesus descend, shining most exceedingly, and there was no measure for his light in which he was. For he shone more [radiantly] than at the hour when he had ascended to the heavens, so that men in the world cannot describe the light which was on him; and it shot forth light-rays in great abundance, and there was no measure for its rays, and its light was not alike together, but it was of divers kind and of divers type, some [rays] being more excellent than others . . .; and the whole light consisted together.” Yes divers kind — tongues of lights which is true truth Chapter 6 reads “Then Jesus drew to himself the glory of his light; and when this was done, all the disciples took courage, stepped forward to Jesus, fell down all together, adored him, rejoicing in great joy, and said unto him: "Rabbi, whither hast thou gone, or what was thy ministry on which thou hast gone, or wherefor rather were all these confusions and all the earth-quakings which have taken place?" As we do not all ways understand others did not all ways understand we all so read “Then Jesus, the compassionate, said unto them: "Rejoice and exult from this hour on, for I have gone to the regions out of which I had come forth. ....” Jesus the Christ is the compassionate one and yes Christ went back to God from were his seed came from that was placed in Mary we all so read in chapter 7 “....Truth to its completion, and discourse with them from the interiors of the interiors to the exteriors of the exteriors and from the exteriors of the exteriors to the interiors of the interiors. “ many layers of truth we can learn because we only see in part so we only see part of the colors – its like we see in black and white when there are 1,000,000,000,000 of colors and 1,000,000,000,000,000 of colors we read “It came to pass then, when I had come into the midst of the rulers of the æons, that I looked down on the world of mankind, by command of the First Mystery” in the mist of God the light of lights or spirit of spirits we read in chapter 8 “"And the twelve powers of the twelve saviours of the Treasury of the Light which I had received from the twelve ministers of the Midst, “ yes the twelve saviours but how can that be one of the twelve saviours was Moses but he only saved the flesh, there 11 saviours that only could save the soul but there is one the Christ who saved the spirit we read in chapter 10 “'O Mystery, which is without in the world, for whose sake the universe hath arisen,” the First Mystery and the 24th Mystery which a layer of this is we will all be God’s family joint heirs with Christ of one kind and one household we all so read “... which is the great Forefather, and the mystery of the three triple-powers and the mystery of their whole region and the mystery of all their invisibles” the great forefather is God and the triple-powers and the mystery are God the Father, Holy Spirit the Giver and the gift, and Jesus Christ the son This is just a very little of a book that I have been reading of 148 chapters but this book that time to understand and must prayer but it glory can be seen in due time my friends thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved All God loves you all my dear friends I am sorry I missed the Weenie Roast 2006 I got caught up with things around here that needed to be done I will try to make the Weenie Roast 2007 thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy PS Littlehawk I will make it up to your hang out place one of these days my friend

God first Beloved Danny the TheInvisibleDan God loves you my dear friend I am glad to here you read these books too my dear friend And some scramble even my brain too And it is sad that some call them heresies because they do not understand yes it is a endeavoring to piece together what a particular movement or church actually believed All I love your understanding of the Gnostic writings my friend when your reply to socks thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy Beloved socks God loves you my dear friend that is ok because some Gnostic writings are Greek to me too About the earlier Egyption god Seth One must recall that the Egyptions came from the seed of Noah So they know about the coming of Christ and all that Noah taught them but over time they keep some truths and changed some Christ was to come from the blood line of Noah who came from the blood line of Seth the son of Adam Noah father was from the blood line of Seth but his mother was from the blood line of Cain And Noah wife was from the blood line of Cain too or that what some books teach but I forget which ones but could this a Gnostic person teaching but calling if of Seth because a person play the Christ before Christ came in the Egyption trib Like Paul used the unnamed God to share about God to a place that had many gods Was it a way to teach the truth to these Egyptions were they would listen and because Jesus was of the blood line of Seth making not wrong but not the Seth they may of been thinking about but I do not know but I see the title seeming to be having nothing to do with the context but I am not sure thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved Abigail God loves you my dear friend I understand because some gnosticism books I understand and others I do not I believe it takes time to learn how to read with enjoyment some of these books but I keep looking as I know you do thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

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God first Beloved Abigail God loves you my dear friend Its listed as a Pseudepigrapha book under http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/ Note from site ---"Welcome To Pseudepigrapha, Apocrypha and Sacred Writings. I have an interest in all documents that even might be classified as Holy. While there are a lot of sites out there that have portions of what I am interested in, this site is a collection of all I have found." Its A Mormon site but its got a good list of books to read and look at Its wrote like Seth the son of Adam but I never look into its history -------------------------------------------------------------------- Pseudepigraphy From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Pseudepigrapha, from Greek pseudes = "false", "epigraphe" = "inscription"— see Epigraphy— are text works that are considered to have a wrongly attributed authorship. For instance, several Hebrew scholars would not insist that the Song of Solomon was actually written by the king of Israel or ascribe the Book of Enoch to the prophet Enoch, and not all Christian scholars would insist today that the Second Epistle of Peter was written by Saint Peter. Nevertheless, in some cases, especially for books belonging to a religious canon, the question of whether a text is considered pseudepigraphical can become a matter of heavy dispute. The authenticity or value of the work itself, which is a separate question for experienced readers, often becomes sentimentally entangled in the association. Though the inherent value of the text may not be called into question, the weight of a revered or even apostolic author lends authority to a text. This is the essential motivation for pseudepigraphy in the first place. Pseudepigraphy covers the false ascription of names of authors to works, even to perfectly authentic works that make no such claim within their text. Thus a widely accepted but incorrect attribution of authorship may make a perfectly authentic text pseudepigraphical. In a parallel case, forgers have been known to improve the market value of a perfectly genuine 17th-century Dutch painting by adding a painted signature Rembrandt fecit. On a related note, a famous name assumed by the author of a work is an allonym. These are the basic and original meanings of the terms. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudepigraphy -------------------------------------------------------------- hope this helps thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy The Second Treatise of the Great Seth Translated by Roger A. Bullard and Joseph A. Gibbons And the perfect Majesty is at rest in the ineffable light, in the truth of the mother of all these, and all of you that attain to me, to me alone who am perfect, because of the Word. For I exist with all the greatness of the Spirit, which is a friend to us and our kindred alike, since I brought forth a word to the glory of our Father, through his goodness, as well as an imperishable thought; that is, the Word within him - it is slavery that we shall die with Christ - and an imperishable and undefiled thought, an incomprehensible marvel, the writing of the ineffable water which is the word from us. It is I who am in you, and you are in me, just as the Father is in you in innocence. Let us gather an assembly together. Let us visit that creation of his. Let us send someone forth in it, just as he visited (the) Ennoias, the regions below. And I said these things to the whole multitude of the multitudinous assembly of the rejoicing Majesty. The whole house of the Father of Truth rejoiced that I am the one who is from them. I produced thought about the Ennoias which came out of the undefiled Spirit, about the descent upon the water, that is, the regions below. And they all had a single mind, since it is out of one. They charged me since I was willing. I came forth to reveal the glory to my kindred and my fellow spirits. For those who were in the world had been prepared by the will of our sister Sophia - she who is a whore - because of the innocence which has not been uttered. And she did not ask anything from the All, nor from the greatness of the Assembly, nor from the Pleroma. Since she was first, she came forth to prepare monads and places for the Son of Light and the fellow workers which she took from the elements below to build bodily dwellings from them. But, having come into being in an empty glory, they ended in destruction in the dwellings in which they were, since they were prepared by Sophia. They stand ready to receive the life-giving word of the ineffable Monad and of the greatness of the assembly of all those who persevere and those who are in me. I visited a bodily dwelling. I cast out the one who was in it first, and I went in. And the whole multitude of the archons became troubled. And all the matter of the archons, as well as all the begotten powers of the earth, were shaken when it saw the likeness of the Image, since it was mixed. And I am the one who was in it, not resembling him who was in it first. For he was an earthly man, but I, I am from above the heavens. I did not refuse them even to become a Christ, but I did not reveal myself to them in the love which was coming forth from me. I revealed that I am a stranger to the regions below. There was a great disturbance in the whole earthly area, with confusion and flight, as well as (in) the plan of the archons. And some were persuaded, when they saw the wonders which were being accomplished by me. And all these, with the race, that came down, flee from him who had fled from the throne to the Sophia of hope, since she had earlier given the sign concerning us and all the ones with me - those of the race of Adonaios. Others also fled, as if from the Cosmocrator and those with them, since they have brought every (kind of) punishment upon me. And there was a flight of their mind about what they would counsel concerning me, thinking that she (Sophia) is the whole greatness, and speaking false witness, moreover, against the Man and the whole greatness of the assembly. It was not possible for them to know who the Father of Truth, the Man of the Greatness, is. But they who received the name because of contact with ignorance - which (is) a burning and a vessel - having created it to destroy Adam, whom they had made, in order to cover up those who are theirs in the same way. But they, the archons, those of the place of Yaldabaoth, reveal the realm of the angels, which humanity was seeking in order that they may not know the Man of Truth. For Adam, whom they had formed, appeared to them. And a fearful motion came about throughout their entire dwelling, lest the angels surrounding them rebel. For without those who were offering praise - I did not really die lest their archangel become empty. And then a voice - of the Cosmocrator - came to the angels: "I am God and there is no other beside me." But I laughed joyfully when I examined his empty glory. But he went on to say, "Who is man?" And the entire host of his angels, who had seen Adam and his dwelling, were laughing at his smallness. And thus did their Ennoia come to be removed outside the Majesty of the heavens, i.e.,the Man of Truth, whose name they saw since he is in a small dwelling place, since they are small (and) senseless in their empty Ennoia, namely their laughter. It was contagion for them. The whole greatness of the Fatherhood of the Spirit was at rest in his places. And I am he who was with him, since I have an Ennoia of a single emanation from the eternal ones and the undefiled and immeasurable incomprehensibilities. I placed the small Ennoia in the world, having disturbed them and frightened the whole multitude of the angels and their ruler. And I was visiting them all with fire and flame because of my Ennoia. And everything pertaining to them was brought about because of me. And there came about a disturbance and a fight around the Seraphim and Cherubim, since their glory will fade, and the confusion around Adonaios on both sides and their dwelling - to the Cosmocrator and him who said, "Let us seize him''; others again, "The plan will certainly not materialize.'' For Adonaios knows me because of hope. And I was in the mouths of lions. And the plan which they devised about me to release their Error and their senselessness - I did not succumb to them as they had planned. But I was not afflicted at all. Those who were there punished me. And I did not die in reality but in appearance, lest I be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk. I removed the shame from me and I did not become fainthearted in the face of what happened to me at their hands. I was about to succumb to fear, and I <suffered> according to their sight and thought, in order that they may never find any word to speak about them. For my death, which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. For their Ennoias did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. I was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the archons and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance. And I subjected all their powers. For as I came downward, no one saw me. For I was altering my shapes, changing from form to form. And therefore, when I was at their gates, I assumed their likeness. For I passed them by quietly, and I was viewing the places, and I was not afraid nor ashamed, for I was undefiled. And I was speaking with them, mingling with them through those who are mine, and trampling on those who are harsh to them with zeal, and quenching the flame. And I was doing all these things because of my desire to accomplish what I desired by the will of the Father above. And the Son of the Majesty, who was hidden in the regions below, we brought to the height where I <was> in all these aeons with them, which (height) no one has seen nor known, where the wedding of the wedding robe is, the new one and not the old, nor does it perish. For it is a new and perfect bridal chamber of the heavens, as I have revealed (that) there are three ways: an undefiled mystery in a spirit of this aeon, which does not perish, nor is it fragmentary, nor able to be spoken of; rather, it is undivided, universal, and permanent. For the soul, the one from the height, will not speak about the error which is here, nor transfer from these aeons, since it will be transferred when it becomes free and when it is endowed with nobility in the world, standing before the Father without weariness and fear, always mixed with the Nous of power (and) of form. They will see me from every side without hatred. For since they see me, they are being seen (and) are mixed with them. Since they did not put me to shame, they were not put to shame. Since they were not afraid before me, they will pass by every gate without fear and will be perfected in the third glory. It was my going to the revealed height which the world did not accept, my third baptism in a revealed image. When they had fled from the fire of the seven Authorities, and the sun of the powers of the archons set, darkness took them. And the world became poor when he was restrained with a multitude of fetters. They nailed him to the tree, and they fixed him with four nails of brass. The veil of his temple he tore with his hands. It was a trembling which seized the chaos of the earth, for the souls which were in the sleep below were released. And they arose. They went about boldly, having shed zealous service of ignorance and unlearnedness beside the dead tombs, having put on the new man, since they have come to know that perfect Blessed One of the eternal and incomprehensible Father and the infinite light, which is I, since I came to my own and united them with myself. There is no need for many words, for our Ennoia was with their Ennoia. Therefore they knew what I speak of, for we took counsel about the destruction of the archons. And therefore I did the will of the Father, who is I. After we went forth from our home, and came down to this world, and came into being in the world in bodies, we were hated and persecuted, not only by those who are ignorant, but also by those who think that they are advancing the name of Christ, since they were unknowingly empty, not knowing who they are, like dumb animals. They persecuted those who have been liberated by me, since they hate them - those who, should they shut their mouth, would weep with a profitless groaning because they did not fully know me. lnstead, they served two masters, even a multitude. But you will become victorious in everything, in war and battles, jealous division and wrath. But in the uprightness of our love we are innocent, pure, (and) good, since we have a mind of the Father in an ineffable mystery. For it was ludicrous. It is I who bear witness that it was ludicrous, since the archons do not know that it is an ineffable union of undefiled truth, as exists among the sons of light, of which they made an imitation, having proclaimed a doctrine of a dead man and lies so as to resemble the freedom and purity of the perfect assembly, (and) <joining> themselves with their doctrine to fear and slavery, worldly cares, and abandoned worship, being small (and) ignorant, since they do not contain the nobility of the truth, for they hate the one in whom they are, and love the one in whom they are not. For they did not know the Knowledge of the Greatness, that it is from above and (from) a fountain of truth, and that it is not from slavery and jealousy, fear and love of worldly matter. For that which is not theirs and that which is theirs they use fearlessly and freely. They do not desire, because they have authority, and a law from themselves over whatever they will wish. But those who have not are poor, that is, those who do not possess him. And they desire him and lead astray those, who through them have become like those who possess the truth of their freedom, just as they bought us for servitude and constraint of care and fear. This person is in slavery. And he who is brought by constraint of force and threat has been guarded by God. But the entire nobility of the Fatherhood is not guarded, since he guards only him who is from him, without word and constraint, since he is united with his will, he who belongs only to the Ennoia of the Fatherhood, to make it Perfect and ineffable through the living water, to be with you mutually in wisdom, not only in word of hearing but in deed and fulfilled word. For the perfect ones are worthy to be established in this way and to be united with me, in order that they may not share in any enmity, in a good friendship. I accomplish everything through the Good One, for this is the union of the truth, that they should have no adversary. But everyone who brings division - and he will learn no wisdom at all because he brings division and is not a friend - is hostile to them all. But he who lives in harmony and friendship of brotherly love, naturally and not artificially, completely and not partially, this person is truly the desire of the Father. He is the universal one and perfect love. For Adam was a laughingstock, since he was made a counterfeit type of man by the Hebdomad, as if he had become stronger than I and my brothers. We are innocent with respect to him, since we have not sinned. And Abraham and Isaac and Jacob were a laughingstock, since they, the counterfeit fathers, were given a name by the Hebdomad, as if he had become stronger than I and my brothers. We are innocent with respect to him, since we have not sinned. David was a laughingstock in that his son was named the Son of Man, having been influenced by the Hebdomad, as if he had become stronger than I and the fellow members of my race. But we are innocent with respect to him; we have not sinned. Solomon was a laughingstock, since he thought that he was Christ, having become vain through the Hebdomad, as if he had become stronger than I and my brothers. But we are innocent with respect to him. I have not sinned. The 12 prophets were laughingstocks, since they have come forth as imitations of the true prophets. They came into being as counterfeits through the Hebdomad, as if he had become stronger than I and my brothers. But we are innocent with respect to him, since we have not sinned. Moses, a faithful servant, was a laughingstock, having been named "the Friend," since they perversely bore witness concerning him who never knew me. Neither he nor those before him, from Adam to Moses and John the Baptist, none of them knew me nor my brothers. For they had a doctrine of angels to observe dietary laws and bitter slavery, since they never knew truth, nor will they know it. For there is a great deception upon their soul, making it impossible for them ever to find a Nous of freedom in order to know him, until they come to know the Son of Man. Now concerning my Father, I am he whom the world did not know, and because of this, it (the world) rose up against me and my brothers. But we are innocent with respect to him; we have not sinned. For the Archon was a laughingstock because he said, "I am God, and there is none greater than I. I alone am the Father, the Lord, and there is no other beside me. I am a jealous God, who brings the sins of the fathers upon the children for three and four generations." As if he had become stronger than I and my brothers! But we are innocent with respect to him, in that we have not sinned, since we mastered his teaching. Thus he was in an empty glory. And he does not agree with our Father. And thus through our fellowship we grasped his teaching, since he was vain in an empty glory. And he does not agree with our Father, for he was a laughingstock and judgment and false prophecy. O those who do not see, you do not see your blindness, i.e., this which was not known, nor has it ever been known, nor has it been known about him. They did not listen to firm obedience. Therefore they proceeded in a judgment of error, and they raised their defiled and murderous hands against him, as if they were beating the air. And the senseless and blind ones are always senseless, always being slaves of law and earthly fear. I am Christ, the Son of Man, the one from you who is among you. I am despised for your sake, in order that you yourselves may forget the difference. And do not become female, lest you give birth to evil and (its) brothers: jealousy and division, anger and wrath, fear and a divided heart, and empty, non-existent desire. But I am an ineffable mystery to you. Then before the foundation of the world, when the whole multitude of the Assembly came together upon the places of the Ogdoad, when they had taken counsel about a spiritual wedding which is in union, and thus he was perfected in the ineffable places by a living word, the undefiled wedding was consummated through the Mesotes of Jesus, who inhabits them all and possesses them, who abides in an undivided love of power. And surrounding him, he appears to him as a Monad of all these, a thought and a father, since he is one. And he stands by them all, since he as a whole came forth alone. And he is life, since he came from the Father of ineffable and perfect Truth, (the father) of those who are there, the union of Peace and a friend of good things, and life eternal and undefiled joy, in a great harmony of life and faith, through eternal life of fatherhood and motherhood and sisterhood and rational wisdom. They had agreed with Nous, who stretches out (and) will stretch out in joyful union and is trustworthy and faithfully listens to someone. And he is in fatherhood and motherhood and rational brotherhood and wisdom. And this is a wedding of truth, and a repose of incorruption, in a spirit of truth, in every mind, and a perfect light in an unnameable mystery. But this is not, nor will it happen among us in any region or place in division and breach of peace, but (in) union and a mixture of love, all of which are perfected in the one who is. It also happened in the places under heaven for their reconciliation. Those who knew me in salvation and undividedness, and those who existed for the glory of the father and the truth, having been separated, blended into the one through the living word. And I am in the spirit and the truth of the motherhood, just as he has been there; I was among those who are united in the friendship of friends forever, who neither know hostility at all, nor evil, but who are united by my Knowledge in word and peace which exists in perfection with everyone and in them all. And those who assumed the form of my type will assume the form of my word. Indeed, these will come forth in light forever, and (in) friendship with each other in the spirit, since they have known in every respect (and) indivisibly that what is, is One. And all of these are one. And thus they will learn about the One, as (did) the Assembly and those dwelling in it. For the father of all these exists, being immeasurable (and) immutable: Nous and Word and Division and Envy and Fire. And he is entirely one, being the All with them all in a single doctrine, because all these are from a single spirit. O unseeing ones, why did you not know the mystery rightly? But the archons around Yaldabaoth were disobedient because of the Ennoia who went down to him from her sister Sophia. They made for themselves a union with those who were with them in a mixture of a fiery cloud, which was their Envy, and the rest who were brought forth by their creatures, as if they had bruised the noble pleasure of the Assembly. And therefore they revealed a mixture of ignorance in a counterfeit of fire and earth and a murderer, since they are small and untaught, without knowledge having dared these things, and not having understood that light has fellowship with light, and darkness with darkness, and the corruptible with the perishable, and the imperishable with the incorruptible. Now these things I have presented to you - I am Jesus Christ, the Son of Man, who is exalted above the heavens - O perfect and incorruptible ones, because of the incorruptible and perfect mystery and the ineffable one. But they think that we decreed them before the foundation of the world, in order that, when we emerge from the places of the world, we may present there the symbols of incorruption from the spiritual union unto knowledge. You do not know it, because the fleshly cloud overshadows you. But I alone am the friend of Sophia. I have been in the bosom of the father from the beginning, in the place of the sons of the truth, and the Greatness. Rest then with me, my fellow spirits and my brothers, forever. Second Treatise of the Great Seth

God first Beloved friends God loves you all my dear friends I been reading “The Second Treatise of the Great Seth” and I want to share with you what I see and what this books makes me think about. We read “And the perfect Majesty is at rest in the ineffable light, in the truth of the mother of all these, and all of you that attain to me, to me alone who am perfect, because of the Word” The perfect Majesty is God or Christ I begin to question or does it depend on the very time whether before Christ or after Christ? But I know that Christ was resting as part of God in the ineffable light of God as part of God before birth and after death Christ return to the love of the ineffable light of God. The mother of all things is God because God created all things I know from the book called Genesis. I know that Jesus the Christ is the only one who lived as a man that was perfect because Jesus lived by the Word of God Then we read “For I exist with all the greatness of the Spirit, which is a friend to us and our kindred alike” I know of the greatest of the spirit of Christ in us because I speak in tongues, I speak by words of prophecy and must more. This very spirit is a friend to all that welcome its friendship. We read “since I brought forth a word to the glory of our Father, through his goodness, as well as an imperishable thought; that is, the Word within him “ Since Christ brought forth the word s of the glory of God by God goodness to us and his endless desires to love us the very love of God. We read on “it is slavery that we shall die with Christ” Yes it is slavery to the flesh that we die when we become join heirs with Christ. slavery to do the law as a slave to do it, slavery to live by the five senses as a slave to learn only by them We read on “and an imperishable and undefiled thought, an incomprehensible marvel, the writing of the ineffable water which is the word from us. “ Yes an ideal, an vision of good thoughts, a marvel for the flesh by the writing’s of the living word of God the Christ in us. We read “It is I who am in you, and you are in me, just as the Father is in you in innocence” It is Christ’s image that we shine bye just like Jesus the Christ shines bye the love of God the father. Now this is the end of the first verse or part. I give you part two to see what you see in it my dear friends. “Let us gather an assembly together. Let us visit that creation of his. Let us send someone forth in it, just as he visited (the) Ennoias, the regions below. And I said these things to the whole multitude of the multitudinous assembly of the rejoicing Majesty. The whole house of the Father of Truth rejoiced that I am the one who is from them. I produced thought about the Ennoias which came out of the undefiled Spirit, about the descent upon the water, that is, the regions below. And they all had a single mind, since it is out of one. They charged me since I was willing. I came forth to reveal the glory to my kindred and my fellow spirits.” Who wants to work this part give it a try then we can move on. Thank you with Love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved dancing and Galen God loves you two my dear friends Yes some believe that VPW love them more than their money while others seem to know VPW love their money only unless they had s*x*y bodies with ______ then VPW lusted them Some think they can understand Genesis to Revelation by using their fleshly eyes to read while they do the works of word studies but some believe Jesus Christ is in then to teach them all the words God ever spoke or ever will speak some might think when they get up in the air they will have a fleshly body but others believe the body will be of light I could go on over and over I was on a board that believe answer prayer was not the word of God but who do they think is answering prayer I just had to add that my friend dancing thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved All God loves you my dear friends Yes I enjoy number #8 or did I dream I heard it I will not tell but God will if you ask Christ will if you ask because I told them its ok to tell thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy Ps If it was a dream I will know when its here because I will get the Email now

God first Beloved dmiller God loves you my dear friend yes Refiner gave me the link to but I having heard from him for a while I knew you were not evil force my guess would be one that wrote "Rock and Roll" to me because I know you love music but that is only a guess thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved dmiller God loves you my dear friend Yes that is a great site too and its Censorship Free too I will not give you away I will try to figure it out but how long have you been there my friend thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved WatersEdge and all others God loves you my dear friends If WatersEdge lie I forgive WatersEdge and we all should forgive WatersEdge As for lying I see no need to lie here just do not tell all we know But if ask a personal question -- just say the question is too personal thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved All God loves you all my dear friend If you want to know the deep and dirty facts about the Jehovah's Witnesses spend a week at the X-Jehovah's Witnesses board the "Jehovah's Witnesses online - Censorship Free Discussion board" but be careful because you could see anything because any thing is ok http://www.jehovahswitnessonline.com/index.php Me and DMiller spend time there off and on thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first Beloved Abigail God loves you my dear friend Yes this happens to me too at times "hit me completely wrong and I am feeling completely uninspired" I try to just pray about them and talk to G-d and Christ to see if I am missing something I been attacked on some boards for small things and that is why I thank God for this board and saints like you I find at times some believers are not ready for all things I see and at times I am not ready for what others teach i believe its a walk or day by day dealing with our hearts and the hearts of others keep looking because you have taught us a lot my friend thank you with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

God first wrote 08-02-2006 Apostle Paul sat written with ink and pen to the children of God of his time and I Roy William Perry III known as year2027 write by use of my keyboard to the children of God of my time. Grace, joy, peace and hope be unto you my friends from my God the creator of all things, the father of Jesus Christ, the being of love, and the Holy Spirit the giver of all things. Grace, joy, peace and hope be unto you my friends from my Lord our Savior, our Lord, our brother, our joint heir, the son of God, the gift of holy spirit, and the very hope we reach for. The love of God plus the love of Christ is love times two and when we love them back it becomes a complete circle of love. This love is a love that is one on one or a very personal love to each person who reaches for this love of God in their lives. Love begins as a natural love the desire for a feeling of true love, the seeing the desire others have or had for the truth whether in written form or in recorded form or in a personal form one on one. But this loves ends as a spiritual love, a love that can not be seen with the natural eyes but the spiritual eyes show the natural in part by examples of fleshly pictures in the mind of the body by the flow of life of the soul. The life of the soul passes from one part of the body to the next until its been changed into a part the body no longer needs and is past out in a form that can not be seen, nor is it seen when it begins. Each person receives the life of the soul personally as they breath in which helps the life of the body grow until this life is breath out to give life to our brother plants. For plants are kin to us because they are a creation of God as we and all things of the heaven and earth are our kin. The very reason east and west never meet is because our earth alone with the heavens are still growing, each are getting bigger and bigger as time goes bye. As dust falls to the earth the earth grows in size and as new stars, planets, and other things of the heaven are born and die the heaven grows in size. But like a balloon that is blown up there is a point it pops the earth will grow to a point of being to heavy for the sun to hold in its orbit. Its was God who has balance the earth and the heavens but its was sin that cast everything out of its spiritual balance and it will be Christ that re-creations everything in perfect balance again. God created the first heaven and earth, the devil brought about the second heaven and earth, and it will be Christ who will created the third heaven and earth. The first was created with only a possibility of death, but this death that came by sin brought about the second and the third will be created without a possibility of death. For Jesus Christ will have destroy death as he re-creates all things in a form that can not die for ever more. This is the love we have reach to be born into a being of pure love one that can not die because we have become the very love we have reach for. The seed of Christ was not planted in us by our father or mother but by our desire for spiritual love which comes with spiritual truth from above. Many think they must work the bible to understand it but I say we must reach for things above for Christ to guide us into this great love. While the bible is needed for it is the light that guides us to Christ the very milk we drink as a babe in Christ but once we have been guided to Christ, Christ will teach us one on one as a good brother and this is the meat we long for. While the milk of the bible is still needed to wash down the meat of Christ or to help us understand what Christ is sharing to us as we reach for the hope by the gift of Christ in us the hope of glory. Never forget your first desire to reach for the love of God and keep reaching for it your whole fleshly lives and you will be changed in the due season. I will end here my dear friends, with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy.