Stayed Too Long

I read an article recently asking why there even has to be a term for anyone not believing in god? If you don’t believe in the tooth fairly or santa clause there is no name applied to your unbelief.

“Maybe the story is in there to show…..”. Again, is your “maybe” about what the scripture means, any better than someone elses “maybe?” Please explain your logic determining that, “Maybe the story is there to show that manipulating godly appearing results r thtough ungodly methods doesn’t work,” please?

I do not believe any view of the bible is correct because it has no relevence in our lives. It has good ideas just as any book would, but it is of absolutely no authority other than containing good ideas. To base one’s life’s beliefs on what it dictates is, IMHO, a real mistake. As you so well point out, it is of any interpretation that the reader wants to apply to it. A judge bent on punishment, will according to you, have an interpretation other than someone else will have. There in lies the problem; it can be interpreted anyway someone wants to. To me VPW’s interpretation of the bible is as valid as any ones. There are over 45,000 Christian religions worldwide today. Which interpretation is accurate? Then throw in Baha'i, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Shintoism, Sikhism,Taoism, and Zoroastrianism. What is wrong with their interpretation of who God is? No where have I stated my view of the scriptures is uniquely right. To me the bible belongs in the library filed under fiction. Fiction books have good ideas, and may be entertaining, but contain no rules to live life by. You have not stated what your logic is when determining if a given scripture is, or is not, God breathed?

What is your logic when deciding which scriptures are God breathed and which are not God breathed? What made you decide this verse is not God breathed? Please chose a scripture from the bible and tell why it is God breathed?

The greatest secret in the world today, is that man created God, not that God created man. For some unknown reason man has given his creation crazy powers over himself. Man has equiped God with the authority to cast man into the eternal fires of hell. This made up God, also has even been given the power to even judge man’s personal thoughts. Of course, it totally depends on which parts of the world man lives, as to what the made up rules are that must be followed. If one comes from the Middle East, Alluh demands that all infidels be killed that ignore his nonexistent powers. Also woman must be covered from head toe, except for a small slit around her eyes, so she might avoid bumping into everything, as she walks, always being escorted by a male relative. And the male is looking forward to his death, so he will have 70 virgins at his disposal. What happens when the women are no longer virgins, is not known? People who reside in the America’s, are thankful their God somehow impregnated a virgin (are virgins a recurring theme in the minds of men who have madeup their God)? Within a few years of this son being born, God demanded his son suffer unimaginable tortures, and be murdered by hanging on a cross until dead. If this God performed these unexplainable acts today, he would at the least, be in prison the rest of his forever life, or his forever life, somehow ended. These are only two of the versions of these Gods, as there are many, many versions of this fraudulent God in the world today, so one can pick which one they want to control their lives.

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What do you think of the law that requires all sexual abusers and violent offenders to register with the State they live in of their current addresses and the crimes they have committed? Their offenses are made available to anyone who does a search of offenders. They cannot live within a certain distance from schools and cannot hang out where children congregate. If I had children and these preditors showed up as one of my neighbors, you can bet I would instruct mt kids to keep away from them, and I would watch them like a hawk.

I recall hearing Howard Allen saying we only needed 3 to 4 hours of sleep a night. I don’t know if that was all the sleep he managed every night, but I certainly could not function on such little sleep. Is that all the rest the corps received each night?

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My wife is a RC and her priest is retiring soon and will be provided housing and living expenses for life. Does anyone know if TWI their retired workers are taken care of for life? I am just not referring to the BOD, but those who spent their lives on the field in whatever capacity as directed by TWI?

I spent over 20 years looking into seeking spiritual understanding via TWI. You can argue they are a cult, were a counterfit, and only their only interest was promoting VPW’s sex life. But I spent 9 years with the RC’s and a few years with a local church seeking spiritual understanding, but always came up empty. Why wasn’t I seeing so called signs, miracles, and wonders? Maybe 1 person being raised from the dead or 1 person with AIDS being cured would have convinced me there really was spiritual understanding. I never even saw a cold cured in 30 years. I did see TWI leaders killed in a car accident, but didn ‘t see them brought back to life. Our fellowship followed the WOW handbook and barely saw any results. My best friend was a RC believer, but died young from cancer. We prayed and prayed for him to be cured, but he died. I gave 15% of my money to the church for God to bless me financially, but only found myself 15% poorer. When I compare actual life to what the bible says it should be, the bible comes up short. I had no choice but to accept reality, and forget about god, at least the one in the bible. I have been apart of seances, levitations, and operating ouija boards, that didn’t require any training or praying to perform them. We just decided to do them and they produced results. That is the best I can compare to spiritual understanding.

Doctors rely on much more than a hunch when diagnosing schizophrenia. Although there is no test that can be performed in a laboratory to determine its existence, there are well defined symptoms that define the disease, as set forth in this article. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-is-schizophrenia-diagnosed

That is my understanding of what really happened. Please provide the previous teachings and learning that should be looked at with some reason, logic, and intellect. Thank you.

What happened is God created an imperfect man who went against God’s will, and God punished him, by casting man out of the Garden of Eden. Man also lost his ability to communicate with the God who created him. God removed the ability of his creation to talk with him. Sounds like a pretty cruel creator to me! If your son or daughter went against your wishes would you cut communications with them? I doubt it. It took thousands of years for God to finally send a perfect person, Christ, to suffer and die to regain the ability for his creation to talk with him. Why didn’t he make his original creations perfect, obviously he had the ability to do so? By not creating perfect people from the outset it has caused endless suffering, death, and war. This does not point to a loving father! Quite the opposite! If God were on earth he would have all his children removed by the state and sent to foster care. He would be prosecuted for murder and executed or set to prison for life.

“Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding.” If you believe God created man in his own image, and gave him free will, five senses, and the ability to reason, why are they no longer sufficient to please our Creator? Further, how did God create man, put him in the Garden of Eden, and in a very short time, his creation sinned against him? God’s handy work seems to have been flawed from the beginning, no? If you hired a contractor to build your home, and right from the beginning his best laid plans completely failed, would you allow him to continue erecting your house .?

I just made some sourdough English muffins and used ghee to brown them. The recipe calls for the muffins to be finished in a skillet and not baked in an oven. I spread ghee on one side of the muffin and began frying it. After about 3 minutes I applied ghee to the opposite side of the muffin and fried it. They browned very nice, were crispy, and tasted quite good.

I have to assume if the Pope or a Bishop decree something it is coming directly fron God? Yes/No? As the title indicates God apparently demands no meat shall be eaten on Friday during Lent only. This custom apparently originates from a law decades ago that states no meat could be eaten on any Friday of the year, under penalty if hell. If you snuck a ham and cheese sandwich at your lunch, when you died your soul was hell bound. You needed to eat a tuna fish sandwich on all Fridays. BUT, HOWEVER, the pope decreed decades ago, you can eat meat on Friday and your soul will go straight to heaven. Pity those poor souls who ate a bologna sandwich the Friday before this decree went into affect, as they were hell bound. But on the next Friday you could eat a roast beef sandwich for lunch, and a t-bone steak for supper, and enjoy life forever with God. Back to no meat on Friday in Lent. Because the current Friday falls on St. Patrick’s day, the restriction of no meat has been lifted. Apparently St Patrick is such an important guy to God almighty, God says eat away on all that corn beef and cabbage you want. I am from Montana and beer is a necessary custom everyday. I have even witnessed the local Bushop saying getting drunk on St Patrick’s day was okay and was not required to be confessed to a guy in a black robe. Crazy proclamations to me. Please explain how God can determines when to lift his decrees?

I recently bought a pound of butter for $2.95 and it yielded a little less than a full pint canning jar of ghee. There is very little waste making ghee and it is much cheaper than the cost on Amazon, ranging from $9 to $35.

All the love and attention I received from my fellowship was what attracted me in the first place. The wow’s and others in the group met some very important needs I had at the time. I was in college at the time and all my friends from school had already graduated and moved on with their careers. I was quite lonesome and the fellowship took me in as one of theirs and filled that void. I went wow the next two years, and midway through the second year, realized TWI wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. But, as my name Stayed Too Long indicates, I hung on to the group far too long. There is no doubt all the ROA’s were very fulfilling and got the next year going for me. Welcome JoyfulSoul.

Does this bring back horrible memorizes. My Twig coordinator and his wife were driving in a snow storm and the car went out of control. They were both killed instantly in a car rollover. As we gathered together and wanted answers as to why God would allow this terrible thing to happen, the Limb leader said it only happened because they missed the revelation from God. It shook use all to the core. On another occasion a ministry leader was in involved in a car accident, and we were told it happened because the leader was attacked by the adversary. No mention of the leader missing any revelation.