Stayed Too Long

Bush Certified Winner in Ohio Why you are at it get a life!!

GarthP: ________________________________________________ Now why would a just god reward someone like VPW with more rewards and all, even given the deliberate abuses that VPW heaped upon people with such callousness? ________________________________________________ You or I have no idea if or when VPW repented. If he did, we don't know what he did with his life afterwards for God. Maybe he was a model Christian. I don't know what your belief on prophecy is, or your opinion of Rev Mal George as a prophet, but at VPW's funeral as he prophesied, he said "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased". If you don't believe in prophecy or that Rev George is a prophet then you will discard the above and maybe not expect much for VPW at judgment time. If you do believe in prophecy and Rev Mal George as a prophet, you have to give it some consideration when wondering if VPW will be have some rewards coning at the bema.

My point is, if some people are wronged by another, they look to the future judgement for those wrongs to be made right. They believe God will punish those who have harmed them or their loved ones when time is over, and then all will be okay. Like looking forward to the future with vegence and revenge. This belief seems to bring a sense of calming or satisfaction to the hurt party. Oldiesman I am referring to Kit Sober's statement: ________________________________________________ "Gehazi received his judgment, as I hope to see vpw receive his". ________________________________________________ To me this indicates she is looking forward to a time when VPW will be judged and she will be present. Or at least have knowledge of the judging. She is looking forward now to that time in the future, she is anticipating it. What if the person who did the wrong (VPW in this case) had asked God for forgiveness and received it, will the wronged person be disappointed because God has not meted out punishment?

Quote: ________________________________________________ Kit: Gehazi received his judgment, as I hope to see vpw receive his ________________________________________________ Revenge, or at least some kind of 'Godly Punishment' in the future, seems to be a big part of some Christian's attitude. What if VPW actually was sorry for the wrongs he had committed before he died, and God forgave him, like the bible says He will? What if, when it comes time for the judgments to be meted out, and VPW and any other evil doers who have repented, don't get hell fire, 50 lashes, or their hands slapped, will you be disappointed? What if God gives them a slap on the back and says "good job my good and faithful servant, come on it". What if someone you thought their rewards should have been taken away for all the evil they had done, actually end up with more rewards or a higher position than you? Will you rebel against God, or rejoice and celebrate their life and be content?

Had a very good time at my division party. We rented 4 lanes at the bowling alley and everyone seemed to enjoy throwing a ball at mostly regulation pins with a few colored ones tossed in to possibly win a prize. We had a side pot with everyone throwing in a dollar. For every stike you threw, you drew 2 playing cards, and for every spare you drew 1. After the 10th frame the person with the highest poker hand won the pot (I had a jack high staight, but was beat by a queen high :D-->). The bosses had an open tab at the bar for about an hour so that was nice too. Plenty of horses-doovers to snack on also.

I think my choice would have to be John Townsend. He worked hard at making himself a VP clone. He always seemed to use the same phrases and tone of voice as The Teacher.

HEY--I resemble some of these remarks!!

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and how about baseball and homeruns?

Think of the terrific snow skiing in all those craters!

There are around 750 people who work for the company I am employeed, and are located in four different locations around the city. We have a huge company breakfast, and then each division has its own smaller get togethers sometime during the season. In the summer there are similar picnics. It do attend most of my division parties because it is nice visiting with the families of my fellow employees. It is enjoyable seeing how much their kids have grown, what school events they are involved with, and what kinds of promotions or trouble their spouses have managed to get themselves into. I have attended some of the company parties but since I know relatively few of the employees there, it is not so comfortable mingly around. I usually end up just hanging out with my division employees.

GarthP quote: ________________________________________________ And would that be any worse than those who would not bring up the challenge, usually for the reasons noted above? Perhaps it could be said of them that they 'stayed too long', ... ya think? ________________________________________________ I am not arguing they should not be challenged....on the contrary they should be! Plagurism, using people, ruining lives, etc should be exposed. Those are some of the reasons I hang out here. Hopefully I can help others that it also has happened to. My point in this matter is we hold some to different standards than others. If we liked one person for some reason, like the person loved us, was of assistance us, or we thought they were one hell of a person and really cool, we will cut them some slack in their acceptance of VPW, et al. Praises will abound and the person's life presented as that of a wonderul human being. On the other hand if someone comes in here that we do not know, and if that person supports VPW, et al,......well suffice it so say they had better be pretty thick skinned. And I think it is just human nature to do this. Many of our decisions are really quite subjective. Bill Clinton goes into Kosovo, the Republican's oppose him, and the Democrats back him. George H Bush goes into Kuwait, the Democrats oppose him, and the Republicans back him.

It has been my observation that many at GSC have two standards when it comes to holding people accountable while they were a part of TWI. It pretty much depends on who they were and if they were perceived as "loving", "a wonderful person", "loved God", "just helped me so much", or similar attributes. Most folks here at the cafe believe VPW stole much of what he taught in PFAL from others, used his position to intimidate others, and was a sexual preditor. It would be hard to get many here to argue these points. In fact most have condemned the current trustees for covering up VP's and LCM's similiar activities. They also point out and hold accountable other leadership who knew what was going on by either aiding, covereding up, or ignoring the facts and turning a blind eye. Yet it is inconceivable to me the original trustees and their wive's did not know what VPW was doing in the motor coach with all those woman. But they are spoken of here with fond tenderness. Most of the time posters use terms of endearmont to describe their relationship with them. A cover up is a cover up no matter if we think well of the person or not. In the same vain, anyone who today expressed at GSC the same view of VPW as Mark apparently has, would be rousted out and challenged...just ask Mike. In another thread recently the author was questioning how anyone today could stay and support TWI with all that has been exposed about it in recent years. I think it is probably human nature to cut some people slack and not others. An extreme example is Jesse James and Bonnie and Clyde. All three were cold blooded murderers yet we have elevated them to legendary mythical status. On the other hand the only thing elevated with Scott Peterson is people's hatred of him.

Although I did not know him personally his work with Way Productions always impressed me very much. He will be missed.

You have my true sympathy.......I also am a survivor. How young girls can find so much to giggle about at 3am is still a mystery to me!!

mj412 sorry for my sloppy writing style. I will work to improve it in the future. To answer your question: No, I do not agree with you and herbiejuan.

mj412 "the criminals in the post office are wanted criminals . these are guys who have done there time and have moved into the neighborhood and are trying to live a "normal" life with their records and details of the crime and their current adress displayed. I think it is a little different ." I was using pictures of criminals in the post office to counter what herbiejuan had learned in his abnormal psych class. "I think posting pics lulls folks into a false sense of security. Many times (as evidenced by the ongoing RC scandel) child molesters remain undiscovered, sometimes for their whole lives. Often times these people seek out and hold positions that place them in close contact with children (teachers, ministers, rec dept employees) and use their authority and implied power to silence or shame their victims. So to think that those three men (or women) are the only perps in the neighborhood is delusional." I totally disagree with it especially the last sentence. Just because someones picture is posted we are not going to be lulled into a false sense of security and let all other common sense go out the window (go Shellon). And especially to conclude we think they are the only perps in the neighborhood is delusional on their part. And keep in mind that CHILD MOLESTERS CAN NOT BE CURED!! They are not like a thief or bad check writer who gets out and can go straight.

mj412 said: I know that is right you would move to the higher class neighborhood next door where such things are never done( money or class what is the defining line for you?) or in the very least put on in a public display for all to read right Krystal ? that is what herb and I spoke about when we talked about the ignoring or lulling one into a mind of safety in a neighborhood out of chosen ignorance on the subject. ________________________________________________ I don't think money or class has anything to do with this. You seem to insinuate that poorer people or those in the middle/lower classes are being singled out as child molesters. And that once a molester is discovered you move to an upper class neighborhood. To me you seem to think people believe lower/middle class are molesters. And once someone finally 'realizes' this, they believe theirnly salvation is the upper neighborhoods? Am I way off base??..please correct me if I am wrong. herbiejuan said: ________________________________________________ I think posting pics lulls folks into a false sense of security. Many times (as evidenced by the ongoing RC scandel) child molesters remain undiscovered, sometimes for their whole lives. Often times these people seek out and hold positions that place them in close contact with children (teachers, ministers, rec dept employees) and use their authority and implied power to silence or shame their victims. So to think that those three men (or women) are the only perps in the neighborhood is delusional. ________________________________________________ If you go into any post office you will see the pictures of all kinds of criminals that are wanted. Does this mean that only those posted at the time are the only criminals at the time? Of course not and I don't think anyone is silly enough to think that way. Just because a child molester' picture is posted does not mean people would think they are the only potential molester's in the area. We need to be aware of these people so we can protect our children.

Without a doubt being able to forgive myself was a very necessary element to living peacefully with myself. Anymore I evaluate my actions and thoughts as objectively as I can, and give myself a pat on the back for successful ones, and go very easy on myself if I don't measure up. Sometimes I make an effort to do better the next time and other times I don't. Although I fail many times quite often I make it over the hurdle. Approaching life with this attitude has enabled me to better myself like never before. Now I am accomplishing things never imaginable before. My way of looking at the the day is this: Live today with a balance, not expecting too much from myself or cutting myself short either. Look forward to the future with excitement and expectation. Neither yearn for nor condemn myself for the past. Sure works wonders for me!!

will some please pass the cream and sugar.......? Thanks.......... (clink, clink).........oh, sorry I interrupted you Mike, guess I lost my stayed mind for a minute there. You were saying?????? "I like Mike, I like Mike, I like Mike, YAAAAAA MIKE."

SunshineRain Welcome to the cafe!! Don't be too concerned about the posts here. You'll probably be battle hardened in not to short a period of time. Not alot of people here intersted in discussing the word (Mike will throw Wierwille around with you though.) Most posters are just glad to be out of the clutches of TWI, and getting reinforced and built up with others here. Usually discussions of The Way and how they mistreated people dominate here, but Iraq took front and center the last few weeks. "Las Vegas law prohibits the pawning of dentures." L.M. Boyd

French Kiss "Las Vegas law prohibits the pawning of dentures." L.M. Boyd

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Maybe the new servers GS is going to will have limited space and posts will be edited. [/b]]I really believe it is our only hope![/b] Don't allow resentment and bitterness to hinder healing.

Larry--can I please change my vote to number 3: I never read anything he writes, so I don't care one way or another? Don't allow resentment and bitterness to hinder healing.