Stayed Too Long

How about this from Trefor Heywood:

Active Way people I know have shown no interest in being in my circle. When out and about and one should spot me, they quickly look the other direction, and continue with their shopping. But this also happens with people I have previously worked with as well. Sometimes at the store they will not even acknowledge me. I have done this also a few times. Neither of us loses any sleep over it. I have also happened upon ex-Way, talked with them for awhile, and then said goodbye. It was apparent we had no interest in hanging out together. Life goes on. The past is just that, the past.

The man is 78 years old, so if you do not care for him, wait a few years and see how you like the next one.

If it weren't for the person that shot out the window in my car I would never have met the nice folks at the glass shop either. Guess I do not understand your post. It appears you are thankful for VPW screwing people over so you can meet them at GSC? I am not thankful to the jerks who shot my window out for bringing the glass shop folks and me together.

QUOTE]Quote of Lindy: What is interesting is how you ask the question as if I should be able to come up with an answer, as if not being able to puts me at some sort of disadvantage. Unexpainable seems to equate spiritual and/or God, not just ignorance. That was not my intention in asking the question. I used to believe the paranormal was done through devil possession. Now I am not so sure and asking for other possible explanations.

I was not attempting to link homosexuality and child molestation. The question was brought forth of where is the outrage and indignation when this heinous crime is committed against our children? I was making the point you would not find the ACLU outraged because of their defense of the North American Man Boy Love Association. NAMBLA supports men sexually abusing and molesting young boys.

As I was preparing my post excathedra made an additional post at 17:00, which I had not yet read. My post was at 17:10. As the then husband of a former league official and coach, my ex wife was constantly being called by parents who did not like the way she played their child. At games it was a pain just to show up because she would get jumped for not handling this play right, or why didn't she do this instead of that. Believe me there is very little joy from a coach's perspective in children's sports. The reason many do put themselves through the torture and abuse they receive is because no one else will take the position. If they do not do it their kid and others will not get to enjoy the games. These are volunteers who freely give many hours of their precious time. Two or three practices a week, calling to find out why little Johnny has not been to practice for a while, phoning parents to remind them it is their turn to provide refreshments, calling multiple times to see why Joey has not brought his money for his new uniform. Today coach's must be constantly on the lookout for being physically attacked and harmed. Verbal abuse if just part of the game anymore and has to be put up with, although some places are putting limits on it now. It seems yelling insults at a coach and critism of how a league or game is run, is a right we have been endowed with by our creator. I was seeing her post from the perspective of a volunteer who puts up with more abuse than they should ever have to. I over reacted to excathedra's post and I am sorry. I agree it was not spelled out in the rules so she had a right to question the league.

For cryin' out loud....give the coach and the league a break. Let them do what they are there to do: teach the kids a few things about throwing and hitting a stupid ball. The sun will rise tomorrow morning. The best thing your son can take away from this is to learn not to be late. Instead he probably has learned to see himself as a victim.

As far as the fruit comparison goes, VPW always said, "you can't compare apples to oranges". So I think he was: * an apple crisp * a sour apple * one bad apple spoils the whole bunch * rotten to the core * a winesap turned dramboui drunk * the ladies were the apple of his eye * surrounded himself with apple polishers * thought he was upper crust * we all should have eaten an apple a day to keep the doctor away

I believe VPW did allude to knowing Graham as well as Oral Roberts. I heard him say words to the effect of: "Billy could have gotten them born again. Oral could have healed them. And I could have taught them the word". He then made it sound as if both of them forsook all this and went on their own out of ego. And of course this left VPW to do it all on his own, and we should be so thankful he stood on the rightly divided word.

For sure this puppy need to be "cut"!

You would think there would be much outrage from a group supposedly started to protect our liberties. The American Civil Liberties Union has weighted in quite heavily on this issue of molesting our children, and found very much wanting. They represent in court a group of perverts known as the North American Man Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA. These sickos advocate changing our laws to allow men to sexually abuse and molest boys. Men and boys having sexually relations is normal in their eyes. And the ACLU has chosen to represent them in court. So I would not expect much indignation from them.

A friend of mine used to do it when I was younger. We would gather around an oject and all would touch it. He would start to tell the oject to rise and soon it would begin to do so. Usually it would rise about waist or chest high and then he would have it go back down. He just told us to concentrate with him and he would start talking and it would tell the object to rise and it would. There was no breathing or any technique used. The object just starting rising. Nothing physically was done to help it along. As far as Ouija Boards go if they did not work Parker Brothers could not continue to sell them year after year. I used to work them with my mother. She would put her finger tips on one side of the piece and I would put mine on another side. One of us would ask it a question, and it would move from one letter to the next letter from an alphabet that is printed on the board, spelling out the answer. For example I asked it where I was going on vacation. It immediately began spelling out S-E-A-T-T-L-E letter by letter. The piece first moved to the S then the E, etc until the entire word Seattle was spelled out. If it did not want to answer a question the piece would run off the edge of the board and stop. The piece was not pushed or moved by either of us. It skimmed across the top of the board on its own accord. Don't know how it happened but can assure you it did. If spirits are not the explanation what is the answer? If it didn't work this game would not be selling off the shelves everyday.

Sounds like sex without orgasm. Smoking dope without inhaling. Shopping with no money. Laughing when nothing is funny. Military Intelligence

Are you even remotely attempting to interject the possibility of there being.....(cough*snort)..no....(gulp)!!....Santa? That would be right up there with squashing like a bug James Dean, Janice Joplin, and Otis Redding. How would I ever be able to rant and rave without a cause anymore? Or wail into a microphone with such intensity and feeling, yet let someone so important to me slip away? And then have no place to dock my boat in the bay. Or maybe even eliminating the God like status of Jesus Christ, Buddha, or Mohammed? I have found it impossible to believe that Jesus christ is my lord and savior. That somehow God through him, has my entire life planned out, is looking out for me at every corner, and if I but listen, he will tell me what to do in every situation. Maybe I have just not allowed this to happen in my life and shut him out, but am looking in a different direction. I do believe in some power greater than myself but have not been able to inititate, apprehend, comprehend, master, understand, relate to, or reach out to this being, event, place, time, thought....whatever it is. The idea of UU not cramming a doctrine or belief down my throat is a place to start I believe.

I am signed up for a Darth Vader Wand Fighting Class this spring at adult education! Maybe I better rethink that one huh?

George enjoy the sushi!!

To all those who worship their fly rod and are of the Catch and Release denomination, I say, "Catch and release into bacon grease".

As a young man in my 20's I played with an ouija board and was involved with levitation. As a WOW I witnessed to people who could destroy things with mind concentration. Most Christian groups I am aware of would attribute this to devil possession. What do those who do not believe in possession, or are agnostic, or atheist attribute these to? Does science have a theory? I can assure you the levitation we did was real. There were no wires or slight of hand magic involved. Same with the ouija board. The little triangle piece moved around the board of its own accord. It was not prodded or pushed along. The man I witnessed to who blew things up using his mind was scared to death. He decided not to do it anymore and he said the spirits were ruining his life. They would not allow him to rest and he was so afraid they would kill him. One other time he attempted to stop and they did the same thing, but let up after he decided to go back to destroying things with his friends. What are the explanations?

Attending my first ever UU gathering this morning reminded me of a social services meeting. We said some written prayer while the leader lit a candle, had announcements, and a song. Then representatives from Habitat for Humanity and the local food bank spoke for about 30 minutes, followed by the group holding hands and saying a shalam, and it was over. Short and sweet. Don't know if I got much out of it though. One of the members chatted with me afterwards and indicated this was not a typical meeting. He said UU helps a person develop spiritually along their own lines, so no strict doctrine is followed. Figure I'll go back next week for a second look.

Gotta agree with you.

Whne you say "well they got permission", does that mean the U.S. Navy gave them the okay to "tag-team" you? Maybe you could explain exactly what the conditions were you had to endure? Were you held against your will? Would they allow you to sleep if you desired? Sounds like pretty strange actions by the Navy.

I'll bet even though it is out of their jurisdiction, most any American judge would make an exception, which they seem to be so good at anymore, and solve all the problems in London.

I thought you were talking about Dog the Bounty Hunter.....I was ready to enjoy Hawaii.

Belle what you describe is not the deprogramming of the 1970's & 80's. It sounds more like an AA intervention to me. Back then people were kidnapped from their homes, bound, and held against their will. They were deprived of food and water. Deprogrammers would scream them and sleep deprieve them. The deprogramming could take weeks so these unfortunate people were tied in a bed for long periods of time. What would have happened if your then husband met with you and all these folks, and decided he wanted no part of the deprogramming? Would he have been allowed to leave? Would you have held him against his will? Would he have been bound and sleep deprived?