Stayed Too Long

The first year I was in there really were no rules. You came to twig if and when you wanted to. It was no big deal if you didn't throw any money in the horn of plenty. No one was expected to choose between their family and 'the word'. We went out partying with friends and other wayfers. The same rules were in place the first year as the second, but the second was much regimented. It depends on how the rules are enforced.

Take care templelady...it appears you need side boards on your plate.

I do not believe it should be policy when a person can not be chased. For example, if the offense is driving less than 15 mph over the speed limit; or less than five outstanding arrest warrents for failure to pay fines; or less than 2 blocks from a school. It should be a case by case decision. I can only imagine how unsafe the streets would be if everyone knew they would not be chased unless they were speeding at least 15 mph over the speed limit at a school crossing or in a residential neighborhood. In my state that would be 40 mph and lots of people would be hurt or killed then. In my opinion America as a society is becoming intolerant of chance or mistakes. Risk is becoming less and less acceptable to the average joe. In sports if a coach does not produce anticipated results, or if an official makes a perceived incorrect call, many feel they have the right to assualt them. If I make an error in judgement and put a hot cup of coffee between my legs and it spills and burns me while driving, the food establishment becomes responsible for my mistaken decision. If a person chooses to "supersize" their meals and becomes obese it is not their fault but Burger Kings. It has become "unacceptable" that if you take in more calories than you burn, your waist line will grow. Blame it on someone else. If some nut with a weapon opens fire on a crowd it is not his fault. Get rid of guns. Unfortunately, no matter how hard we try, chance or error will always cause some negative result. As bad as it is innocent people, have in the past and will continue into the future, to be maimed or killed.

When divorcing my wife I agreed to move out the next morning after I told her and the limb guys. I found a room to rent and went to the bank to get some money to pay for it. She had wiped out our accounts of over $10,000! I immediately called about it and wanted half, and refused. Then I phoned the limb(burger) guys and told them the situation and asked them to have her give me my half. His response was "whatever 'arrangements' you two make is none of my business". I said there was "no" arrangement at all, but she had stolen the whole thing. He hung up the phone. What a bunch of jerks!

Thank you!!

What is black humor?

The PC police are alive and well.

SO WHAT????....Jeezuz died for you, don't you think he wants you to know there were four crucified with him and not two?? Integrity and accuracy.....that's WHAT!!

She should have been given the option of being the first recruit for your suicide bombers squad. That way she would not only "have been delivered" but also have some virgins taking care of her now in heaven.

I agree whole heartedly with your vickles. Perhaps I did not state or infer that in my statements, because that is definitely the subject of this thread. Most woman do instinctively, if that that is not to politically incorrect to say, think and worry about their children more than men. However, coolchef1248@adelphia.net:, profile shows the poster to be male. I was responding male to male in this instance. As the child of a mother who worried all the time about me as I was growing up, I can say the effects were quite detrimental. She would not allow me to walk to the school bus stop alone for fear something bad would happen to me. She worried I would say the wrong thing to adults and not be respectful enough. She always corrected my English which was a major embarrassment to me. I was constantly told to do better in school. The result was me growing up with very little self confidence. I had very few friends in school. I would second guess myself all the time when making a decison, afraid of making an error. I was very judgemental of other people also demanding perfection in them. Through counseling and hard work on my part I have overcome this, although I really don't know to what degree. Life is much better than it was, but I still find it very difficult to make decisions. If given a project at work I doubt whether I can do an adequate job even though it is often times quite simple. In most situations I like to be supervised just to make sure I am doing it correctly. Excessive worry that is not tempered with understanding, patience, and just letting a kid be a kid, can lead to major emotional and psychological problems.

I did not say I "never 'worried" about my daughter. Here is what I stated: obviously if something extraordinarily is going on I am quite concerned and worried about it. The poster's here indicate they are constantly worrying about their children: The point of the thread is to show that VPW's teaching about the woman's worry in PFAL caused the death of her child, is wrong. Examples of children not dying when mothers worried were given. Some are listed above. This is fine with me if you want to worry about people "all the time". Have at it. Then you make the huge leap to state: Just because I do not worry about my daughter "all the time" does not make me "close to a child abuser", nor am I not protecting her. For you to come to that conclusion is wrong. YOu have never met me, let alone seen how I raise my daughter. Your belief is racked with as much error and B.S. as VPW's that a mother's worry caused her child's death.

Speak for yourself buddy. The only time I worried about our daughter was if I knew something out of the ordinary was going on. After our divorce my daughter lived 1000 miles away for 9 months, during which time I did not get to see her at all. I was sad and lonely because of our separation, but was never concerned or worried about her. If that makes me close to a child abuser try and lock me up.

Only 17,800 sexual offenders unaccounted for in California. Down from 33,000. How can there be soooooo many friggin sick puppies? Staggers the mind!!

....you mean vulva??

Reconsider changing F's to D's asks principal Ester Jones. This principl needs to be "graduated" right out the front door and onto the street.

.....may be coming down. Yankees Unveil Plans for $800 Million Park New home for the New York Yankees.

Loy Boy looked ridiculous as the lead in Athletes of the Spirit. He was by far the least graceful, and so stiff and uncoordinated. It must have taken a huge ego to put himself in as the star of the show.

Anyone know anything about this????? Format, who is teaching, content, ???

In 1976 or so Wierwille declared the "Word was over the USA". Anyone know the specifics of what acheivements were attained for that announcement?

It sounds like the second Christian man had problems before meeting you. You are much better off not living with a drunk. That was a wise choice to leave him. The first one chose TWI and its leadership over you, so a good choice to have avoided also. If you feel the problem is with "Christian men", date a man who is of another faith or none at all. See if things work out better for you. You have not had many opportunities to date, so why not? Is it your location? Do you feel comfortable dating? Do men ask you out? Trust is something you have to regain if you do want to have a lasting relationship. Have you sought help in dealing with these issues?

Don't think how someone looks is valid criteria for denying entry to the U.S., especially since he is a citizen of the United States.

Copenhagen snuff hands down was much harder to quit than cigs. The reason was I love the taste of cope....cigs were not that good except after a meal or out drinking. Been over 10 years since I "put a pinch between my cheek and gum."

Prior to being M/A by TWI I pretty much knew I would one day be gone and used to wonder how to explain my years with a cult. At first I did avoid telling people what I did with 20 years of my life, but now if anyone asks I just tell them I was in a cult. In casual conversations sometimes I just volunteer the information. I really have not received any negative responses either. Apparently to most it is a non issue. That says it better than I have been able to sum up my time with TWI. Controlling my thoughts about any problems or concerns was of the utmost importance to me. Denial was the name of the game with me. And denial fit in so well with TWI's mode of operation. We were told, "do not confess any negatives because it was negative believing." And of course negative believing would lead to fear, and we all know what fear led to---disease, death, and whatever unimaginable things that had not yet happened to us. Exactly....same problems only twenty years later because they were never dealth with, only pushed under the carpet in the disguise of "positive believing." In the past 8 years I have been able to deal with many of them. For one thing they are not of such supreme importance anymore. Getting older has put a different slant on my perspective of what matters in life. Change still demands hard mental work but it seems to come a little easier because the anxiety is not there to be perfect. Somethings I just do not see as problems anymore.

Please be more specific in what I posted leading you to believe I should consider a therapist again.

Exactly. And even though it is a far more evil cult that TWI, many still are involved. Why do people remain when for decades the church allowed their leaders to o be pedophiles? To me it is impossible to understand how anyone could continue to support a group like this. But many still do, so they obviously are deriving some good from the group. I do not support TWI today, but can not deny my experiences were far more good than bad when I was involved.