Stayed Too Long

Really???? Sounds extreme.

Watered Garden your son should not have had to endure what he did at the hands of TWI, and for them to tell you to get rid of him.....very ruthless. I count myself fortunate to have never encountered such people in my years. I think being in Montana, with not too many people, helped as there were not many Corps here. And once the Corps went full time and showed up in force, I got out. I does amaze me how people remain in TWI after being exposed to all the harm they inflicted on families and children. More amazing is how people remain in Roman Catholicism, who have harmed exponentially more families and children, but that is another thread sometime. Hope things are going well with you and your family, WG.

I am sorry to hear of the heavy handedness so many experienced at the hands of The Way Corp and others when it came to child rearing. Some of the children have posted here concerning their up bringing; something I would not wish on anyone. Thank you for sharing some of your experiences.

Very funny video. Some nasty language.

Thankfully my family did not run into this attitude in any of the twigs we were a part of. The rod of correction was never overly emphasized (I do believe in using it), but a tool to be used in rearing our children. No mothers or fathers we hell bent on beating their kids into submission, but rather understanding and loving. When the rod was used it was only a tap on the rear end, with no marks or bruising. My daughter was born and raised in in The Way until she was 16, and has fond memories of her time there, except for the Way Disciple's 6 months period. She does not feel she was beaten into submission and looks back on the adults as loving and kind. I can recall one boy who was diagnosed with Attention Deficient Disorder, and pains were taken by his parents and the twig to understand him, and to be accepting. He got into a lot of trouble at school but the result was never to beat him. He is now 22, and my daughter sees him from time to time, and says he is much more relaxed today. His parents did not give him any drugs as the doctors and school wanted, but spent much time understanding teaching him how to be more peaceful. Often times the only Way Corp around were leaders in another city. Regular 'wayfers' were coordinators in the cities, so we did not have the heavy hand of the Way Corp coming down on us day in and day out. I think non Corp parents were much more relaxed and not into the regimentation of Corp. When the Corp went full time and the coordinators had to be Corps I left and my wife and I split up. She and our daughter stayed in for a couple more years, but took off when all the crap about LCM started hitting the fan.

Carroll begins by going through her capture and what mistakes were made to allow it to happen in the first place. Her interperter was shot and killed during the kidnapping, and she was rushed to several houses in the first day, allowed to watch tv, and fed quite well. The overview of the entire 82 days was mind opening. Believing she would be killed, Carroll pleaded with her captures to use a gun to kill her and not a knife, as she would rather die from a bullet to the head than having her head cut off.

Carroll's account of her ordeal in Iraq begins airing to night by The Christian Science Monitor.

It does sound pretty conclusive he was doping. Here are his explanations for what might have gone wrong: Maybe-it-was-the-beer-and-Jack-Daniel's-the-night-before. Maybe-it-was-the-cortisone-shot-for-my-bad-hip. Maybe-it-was-my-thyroid-medication. Maybe-I-just-naturally-have-sky-high-levels-of-testosterone. Maybe somehow or some way I ingested something that caused the tests to be that way. They don't sound too convincing at this point.

It takes many acts of kindness to build a friendship, but only one stupid act to end it.

It only requires a little common horse sense to keep yourself safe when meeting new folks. Glad you are out meeting new guys and enjoying yourself.

I have visited a number of woman in internet chat rooms and dating services, and subsequently arranged to meet them. The first few get togethers are always in a public place, and some bring friends along. Before you go out alone with a new person you have to feel comfortable with him or her. It is no different than dating someone from work, church, corner bar, or local dance hall. You have to make a judgment call that you will be safe. If after meeting in a safe place you do not trust them or have questions, just excuse yourself and tell them no thanks. No big deal-just apply a little common sense. I believe people are over reacting when in comes to meeting new people because they "watch too much of 'America's Most Wanted'", and other such shows. What is wrong with meeting new people? For every encounter that turns bad there are thousands or millions that come off with out a hitch. That is like deciding not to ride in a car or fly in an airplane because some have crashed. Or refusing to have surgery because there is a possiblity of dying from the knock out drugs. Life is full of risks and it is necessary to take them at times; other wise plan on leading a dull existence. FreeAtLast guys are just as scared of approaching you as you are of them--rejection, "Am I good enough?", "Why would she want to go out with me?", type thoughts. An extra big smile or "Thanks for asking" can go along ways with a guy to keep the pursuit moving along.

I just saw the display on the History Channel and thought it was great. The woman and her fetus in her womb was very interesting and informative. I liked seeing the display of the man riding a horse as it shows the muscles used by both in the position they are in. I would definitely see it live.

I will soon be 60 and feeling pretty good physically and mentally. I plan to return to school part time this fall to upgrade my AAS to a BS degree, and hopefully after that get a MBA, if the creek don't rise and the hogs come home. I have worked in the IS field most of my life and would like to move into business or teach at college, for something new and challenging. Retiring is not really in my crystal ball as long as I can keep going. My mind is sure not as sharp as it once was but have been able to deal with it alright. I take extra steps to review things I must do at work, so I keep up and don't get behind. I think more about what I have to do and it is more time consuming but the job gets down correctly. On thing though, the ole bod gets pretty stiff at times so have found it necessary to make a routine of doing stretching exercises, as it was getting to the point of almost impossible to put my shoes and socks on because of the pain and stiffness. Usually 30 minutes every other day keeps me pretty limber. I have no major health problems and am very thankful for that. So many much younger than me do not have the fortunate health I am blessed with. I watch what I eat (less fat and calories), watch lots of tv, and read several newspapers every day. I see to it I have to have regular check ups at the doc's office. This gives me peace of mind and hopefully will help to nip any problems in the bud if they happen. I have been divorced for 10 years and most likely will not be getting married again. Answering to no one is very nice, although it does get lonesome at times. I do date and almost got married a few years ago, but have found it can cause problems with the new family and mine. Even adult children find it difficult to see their parent(s) with another person. The most recent gal I was seeing has a 14 and 18 year old and it was obvious they did not want me in the picture. At this stage in my life I don't like to have to dance around and side step people who don't want me there. Being able to accept my mortality has been challenging, but think I am getting there. And trying to figure out this god character has also been a problem. Oh well, always something to work on eh? I have learned that having day to day questions or problems in my life is not all that bad. Just have to deal with them and not feel like I am being singled out. Everyone has their issues to deal with so we all belong to the same club. Enjoy getting older!!!!!!

Like fatal heart attacks, women are quickly catching up to men in this area also.

Not watching....nor much interested.

Aw, to have your ability to express myself. Thank you.

I did miss the rev didn't I? If only I had listened it would have saved me years of frustration.

I have done my best to forgive the whole bunch at TWI and work at forgiving anyone else who has done me wrong also. Gawd only knows the wrong I have done to others. From my personal experience forgiving does not require a confession on anyones part, only an attitude change on my part. It doesn't happen immediately, requires time, some longer than others, but it can happen.

My WOW year was coming to an end and all from the area were in a caravan enroute to the ROA. There were probably 10 or more cars in the trek from Mass to Ohio, and the branch guy mapped out the route we would travel including exit ramps. He said no one was to deviate from the plan so we would all stay together and no one would get lost. I was driving the last car in our group when all of a sudden the leader decided to take a different exit than what was planned. It was through a very busy city that had 4 or 5 lanes of traffic on the interstate. and we were all in the middle lane when he decided to make the change. I could not get to the exit lane before arriving at the off ramp, so had to go to the next one, turn around, and come back. They were all waiting for me, and when I arrived got chewed out "for missing the revelation", that God was trying to tell me. If I would have been "walking with God", He would have told me a change of route had taken place and I should have changed lanes earlier. What is even more stupid than that is I believed him.

There is an account of some guy's daughters getting him drunk to have sex with them, and there was no condemnation of the women by God. The Kings in the bible had concubines and were not held accountable by God. God did get upset with David once but only because he had the concubine's husband killed first. In Timothy a leader is told to be the husband of one wife, which indicates it was available to have more than one wife.

The bible allows most sexual acts between a man and a woman including incest. Don't know if it is a real good reference as to what is right in this area.

Good explanation. Most people who do not approve of having multiple sexual partners have been conditioned that way. They feel betrayed and it hurts like hell and can be devastating. However, there are those who are not hurt and get along fine. In countries where multiple spouses are allowed it doesn't seem to be an issue. Even in the Western world "wife swapping" is practiced. I don't think multiple sexual partners can be out and out condemned. The couple would have to both agree to it for it to work and if they do, more power to them. Who am I to tell them they are wrong.

The never ending self introduction: "Bond. James Bond" "Would you be shocked if I put on something more comfortable?" "You dirty rat!"

Could it be they are all johns? or have gotten dear johns? or went to the john?

I agree you have never seen the molesting that has been going on in the RC church for decades if not centuries, but that doesn't mean it never happened. I had no knowledge of leadership in TWI using woman while I was involved, but obviously that doesn't mean much after reading posting here. I am sure you can find a good Way fellowship and a good RC church but I wouldn't give either a second look because of their pasts.