Stayed Too Long

The problem I have had is the sourdough bread not rising. It tastes delicious, but is so compacted the loaf is about half the height of a regular slice. This doesn’t make for good sandwiches. I will use the baking soda and powder the next time and see how it goes. i saw a recipe for beer bread-haven’t tried it- but the only ingredients were beer, flour, and sugar. Just looking at the picture of the loaf, it appeared to rise to normal height. The top of the loaf was not smooth, but quite lumpy looking. The recipe did not call for self rising flour, but that may have been what was used.

The bubbly substance is the sourdough starter needed as the base to all sourdough products. It sits dormant in the back of the refrigerator until it is needed to make a batch of cookies, loaf of bread, or a stack breakfast pancakes. When the starter is taken out of the refrigerator, some flour and water or milk is added, and it magically begins to bubble like a boiling pot. This is activating the yeasts to make the bread rise, that way you don’t have to add commercial yeast. The starter is what gives sourdough its unique taste. As the sourdough starter sits in back of the refrigerator undisturbed, a watery substance will form on top of the starter. This is alcohol and called hooch. I simply stir it back in; others poor it off. Supposedly stirring it back in gives it a more sour taste. A starter is easily made with lots of recipes on the internet to get you going. After you asked about whole grain bread, I started researching it on line. There are plenty of recipes out there so you can keep away from white bread. If you sitting at home with nothing to do because of the caronavirus, you might get some starter going.

WW your wife uses baking powder and baking soda to get the bread to rise, which makes sense to me. What does Mrs WW think about using seltzer water instead of regular water? The carbonation action should get the bread to rise, I would think.

I have never attempted whole grain, but apparently you can. Here is a website with a recipe you can look at. Are you a fan of the bubble substance? https://breadtopia.com/whole-grain-sourdough/

Adding baking soda and baking powder to the pancakes does make them rise, and the sourdough flavor is maintained. Should have thought of adding to the bread receipt. Tell Mrs. Wolf thank you.

I made a sourdough starter a number of years ago and have enjoyed the pancakes it makes. They have a distinct flavor and texture not in any other pancakes I’ve eaten. Keeping the starter going is not much trouble at all. However, when making bread it is a different beast entirely. Apparently the starter has to be at it’s optimal rising. I have tried many ways to determine that state without much Success. The bread always turns out very flavorful, but it is hard and extremely compacted. Somehow it needs to rise better....I have added yeast to get the rise, but the yeast also diminishes the wonderful sourdough taste. Any suggestions on how to get this rise?

Waxit “It’s like people on gsc gang up on me. I am not saying everyone is like this but most except for one other person I know and have stayed with and respect.” As Wierwille used to say; “If you have the right key you can open the door.” Obviously, you do not possess the right key. GSC was set up with the idea of assisting battered, injured people who had finally escaped the clutches of TWI. Wierwille used the Corp women to commit adultery with him. His successor, Martindale, followed in his footsteps. When I say “they used the Corp women” it is more in the context of these “Men Of God,” demanded sexual submission. After all, these women should serve God’s man, and this certainly included sexually. Go back and read some of the accounts of these abused women…I doubt if some will ever fully recover. Other people were so full of condemnation when they left, or were marked and avoid, for disagreeing with the BOD. It was hammered into their heads they would be a grease spot by midnight if they turned their backs on God’s ministry. Another favorite attack was they will lose all their rewards if they turn their backs on the Man of God. These people, (me included), wondered around, often not sure If they would see the next day. Their anxiety level so high, it took all the strength they could muster, to rise out of bed each morning. If it wasn’t for a job to go to, they might never get out of bed, just hoping for the night to come. I digress because these folks needed an oasis to make sense out of what was constantly swarming around in their heads. Each needed to know they were not the problem! Enter GSC. It was not part of GSC’s mission to say we know Wierwille hurt and used you, but he did rightly divide God’s word, so let’s forgive him, and focus on the Word he so lovingly taught us. No! this remnant of TWI is to expose how corrupt and dishonest Wierwille and the leaders were; not to forgive the rats. Newbies don’t come here looking for the rightly divided word, but for needed support, love, and understanding so they can get on with their lives. If you are looking for the remnant that places importance on rightly dividing the word, you might check out John Lynn, Gerald Wrenn, Vince Finnigan, or the host of others on-line. See if these men want to rightly divide the word with you. Coming here and professing you have the rightly divided word. And then proclaim the doctrine, reproof, and correction all must follow to live a righteous life, is not the way to get the key to open the door, you seem to want to open. Look and see how others communicate in this forum. It is more of a friendly discussion than confrontation. Someone throws out an idea and others express their opinion. There is back and forth, give and take, but nothing like the thread you have started. People are not looking to end their daily discussion with, “thus sayeth the lord.” The key you are looking for, to not getting ganged up on in this forum, is to express your belief’s, and when someone disagrees, accept that their opinion is different than yours. STOP! Good luck! Stayed Too Long

Waxit I seldom post, but do read most of them, and wonder why zealots, such as yourself, continue to argue your point to such a small group of opponents? You have been going round and round for a goodly amount of time, even attempting to bypass this thread, and begin a new one on the same subject. Why you attempted the new thread is up for speculation, unless you decide to declare the mystery. I notice it has been deleted. either by you or the moderators, for being in the incorrect forum. As animate and forceful as you are, I can assume you want as many people as possible to become aware of your strong beliefs. You are very livid in your understanding that the word be rightly divided, so why try to convert the posters at GSC, who repeated divide the word differently? Using your most persuasive arguments, zero have switched their dividing of the word to your right dividing. Seems you may be beating a dead horse and your time and talents better directed in another avenue. I guess, it is possible you are expending your energies to sharpen and hone your debate skills, and this is a good place to undertake such a measure. There are ample participants willing to sharpen iron against iron. IMO, and if it was me with such a strong Godly belief with so many rebuffs, it would be time to knock on the next door. As a former WOW Ambassador (twice), when I encountered unbelief at a home, my next move was to hop across the sidewalk to the next house. This was done many, many times in a day over two years. I did not go back to the same unbelieving residence over and over trying to change their minds, and hopefully bring them around to what I was selling. I don't know your background in TWI, but you may have done identical witnessing. As a WOW, I was holding forth the word with an overwhelming and strong belief I knew what God wanted for the world. This left all other occupants of the planet in the category of clueless. I gave them one chance to change their minds. Then at the end of the day, with all the other members of my WOW family, we licked our wounds, knowing we had done our best. To keep our moral up we put all those who had slammed their door on us, in the category of unbelievers, or not in God's Household. Matthew 7:6 was the scripture we ended the day with; "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." Would your pearls be better cast in more fertile ground with another website or other persons? Your pearls have definitely been trampled under foot by everyone at GSC who have responded to your posts. I don't know if you realize it, or not, but you have been turned on and torn to pieces. I believe Matthew 7:6 has been rightly divided? Stayed Too Long

I don’t know how many different religions use the bible as their base of belief...thousands probably. And they all have arrived at different beliefs from the same bible. Which one actually has the truth or does it matter for healing? I grew up with anxiety, depression, and ocd issues and sat across from a psychologist for about two years, and psychiatrist for four years, in addition to multiple drugs, all to no avail. I reached a point of despair and decided to actually believe God would heal me. Fully convinced God would heal me by thinking and reading healing thoughts, within weeks all the problems were lifted from me. I sat on my couch one day and all of sudden realized I was free of the constant Obsessive thoughts with me, and I was happy for the first time in decades. But there are others who have been healed who do not believe the way I do. Take for example AA. One of the requirements is to believe in a high source outside of themselves. Step 5, step 6, and step 7 all require a belief in God to bring about their healing. No particular God, just a higher power. Many people say they are indebted to AA for healing them. A car in my town has a personalized license that reads “IOU AA.” I have a friend who is an alcoholic and clean for over ten years because of AA. My point is, all have been healed by God, but believe God in different ways.

One thing the offshoots seem to avoid, which TWI made front and center, and why GSC is so necessary, is the condemnation we were made to feel if we would “copt out of the word.” Hammered in our heads was we would lose all rewards, or die, if we left TWI. Martindale’s favorite blather was, “you will be a grease spot by midnight,” if you dare believe TWI was wrong and move on. You were cut off from any and all friendships you had made while associated with TWI. Many were “marked and avoid” to add additional shame and ridicule. The offshoots teach pretty much what TWI taught, but I haven’t heard any of their followers finding it hard to leave. Apparently they learned this was not a good stratagy. I have been gone along time and glad to find GSC is still here.

When they build the auditorium articles of the Wierwilles were placed in the cornerstone, but don't remember it being called a time capsule.

Where, oh where, have you gone? I have enjoyed your posts!

If you could please pass their phone number to me I would appreciate it, so I can drive across the border and get the same satisfying customer service. Always did love my neighbors to the North!

Condoleezza Rice has been asked to block the extradition of Dog and Co to Mexico. He does have some powerful friends in this country. We'll see how it comes out.

I have a dog and also watch the squirrels play in my yard everyday. If my dog Snickers gets to go on a walk, has food and water, and receives some attention, she asks for nothing more. She sleeps much of the day and night, so she must not be fretting about anything that would keep her awake. The squirrels frollic all day running up and down trees, across power lines, and robbing bird feeders. They are so peaceful to watch. Thank your for the poem.

Most of the Corps I came in contact with were very honest and honorable people who did want to serve God and His people. They freely gave up so much to lead and help in their areas. My hats off to them.

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A lot of people spend a lot of energy and time calculating when the end will come. As vague as the bible is on the subject, to me it doesn't make sense to try and figure it out. If the world is going to end it will end whether anyone has figured the date out or not. I would much rather spend my time enjoying the day rather than worrying if it is going to end.

Who should I believe "KNOWS" what God really requires for me to be saved? templelady, pond, or dancing? Each has a different belief.

We have two who profess to be Christians, templelady and pond, and they are miles a part on how to be saved. Some other professing Christian want to jump in and explain how to be saved?

If you got all the people believing in hell and punishment for wrong doers, you could not get an agreement among any two of them where hell is, what hell is, who is going there, what the punishment will be like, yada, yada, yada. I would bet once they started discussing particulars some would say that the guy sitting next to them would end up in hell because they didn't believe what they believed. There are thousands of Christian religions who base their teachings on the same book. How do they all come to different conclusions? Anyone who believes in hell please tell me who will go there and why? And then tell me what I have to do to avoid it.

I won't. If ever you decide you want to know the facts concerning the capture of Luster, google "Andrew Luster Capture".

Peter denied Jesus a number of times and his leadership position was never called into question. Judas betrayed Jesus and he was never kicked out of the 12. Thomas doubted that Jesus rose from the dead and his position was not taken from him. Paul slaughtered quite a few Christians and the people let him become their leader. David had men killed so he could have their wives and he was never removed as king. I don't think the bible says leaders who sin should be kicked out of their positions.

Mr Rapist could not be located by any authorities around the world. Chapman got word through an informat he was in Puerto Vallarta, so Dog grabbed his son, and Tim and went down South to capture him, knowing full well it was illegal in Mexico for bounty hunters to operate. He caught the fugative and there was such a scene made, locals called in the Mexican police. The police arrived and took them all of them into custody, Mr Rapist because he was wanted in the U.S., and the bounty hunters because they were breaking Mexican laws. The Mexican government extradited Mr Rapist to the U.S. That is how is was able to stand trial and be convicted. Mexico in no way tried to keep the United States from getting possession of the fugative. Mexico allowed the Chapman team to post bail and they returned to the U.S. Now they have decided to prosecute them. The bounty hunters are now fighting extradition to Mexico.