Stayed Too Long

Can you please expand on your opinion? It seems you are saying God has an opinion on Lonnie, and that is also your opinion? How do you know what God’s opinion of Lonnie is?

Thank you. I wll be more precise in the future where I post.

Let’s take the subject of going to heaven. All religions believe they will get the same results..i.e. going go heaven. However, the way they get someone to heaven varies from group to group. Each group inserts their own beliefs, which can vary wildly, but in the end, all will end up passing through the gates to eternity. I used this example in a previous post: “Mormans have to jump through hoops with Moroni, and wear wierd diapers to bed. Not sure what the Jewish folks have to do. Guess they are still waiting for Jesus to come the first time. The Baptists believe once saved always saved. Muslims pray all hours of the day. And let’s not forget all those virgins for the warriors who die for Alluh.” How can all these differing beliefs accomplush the same thing? Getting their believers to heaven.

I used a rather extreme example, Drink, Sex, dope, whatever, to illustrate my point. I do none of those in my life as it would be very detrimental to me and those around me. It was to point out there is seemingly nothing in life too extreme that would cause one not to go to heaven, if at the last moment, they were sorry for doing it. The point being you can prove anything from the bible if you want to. A verse here, a chapter there, this religion, that religion, any will somehow get you whatever you want. How I believe in good and evil. Medical studies and life experiences show that excess drink and dope use is harmful to your health. I did partake in booze in my younger days, even though my religion at the time, said not to, so religion was no deterrent, but waking up with a hangover was. I saw how drugs screwed up my friends lives so it was natural to avoid them. My friends and I were raised in Catholic schools, which was absolutely no hindrance for some to steal, curse, drink, have premarital sex, yada, yada, yada. I have no desire to grab a weapon and kill people. I was raised in a religious family after the age of 9, but prior to that age, religion did not play a part in my life. It seems to me by the age of 9 I was aware not to lie, steal, or kill, etc. My parents taught me rules in life.

Without a doubt I am saying the bible promotes hypocrisy. Plus I doubt believe in the bible or God. Catholics find salvation through confessing their sins to a man in a black suit. Mormans have to jump through hoops with Moroni, and wear wierd diapers to bed. Not sure what the Jewish folks have to do. Guess they are still waiting for Jesus to come the first time. The Baptists believe once saved always saved. Muslims pray all hours of the day. And let’s not forget all those virgins for the warriors who die for Alluh. There are literally thousands of organizations who intrepret the same book (the bible) thousands of different ways. I’m sure at least one believes you can live a life of hell, and slide into heaven at the last minute. And don’t forget all the other religions who don’t know what the bible is. Religion is the one thing that allows us to believe anything or anyway we want, to get the same results.

Over and out. Good night John Boy.

Your belief viewing the bible as a historical document is one version. I personally do not look at it as a standard of living either, but many do. The subject of the thread is addressed to those who do feel the bible is a book to live their lives by. I believe it points out the hypocrisy, in my opinion, of the requirements needed to live a bible based life to enter heaven; and in contrast, a person who does not live this lifestyle, being allowed to enter heaven at the last minute, simply by a, “I’m sorry.”

Now you throw out another perspective to try and fit your narrative of humans not needing other humans, “Our world is a projection…” Let’s use FB as an example. People hiding behind a keyboard can “project” what ever they want. Many arrive at an inaccurate conclusion of the message that was sent, and rant on and on, destroying any type of understanding between the two. Post something about Covid on FB,, and thru AI, your post can be competely deleted if it doesn’t fit the AI’s version. To many, the belief of AI is completely wrong, but it cannot be debated. It is used to stop any debate and only frustrates the losing party. Again, all human interaction is a destroyed by AI. Those in power determine what is right.

The questions don’t seem confusing at all, but your quote, “..human interaction is wrong…” is confusing. No culture I am aware of believes this. I think you are digging a hole you will not be able to climb out of.

There are thousands of religions out there waiting for you to stop in so they can tell you. Choose your poison carefully.

Technically, I do believe a Twitter announcement would work nowadays. It has been revealed St Peter recently equiped the Pearly Gates with wifi and data, so, we can sin on, but always carry your iphone with you. You just never know when your number will be up.

Why should anyone live a life that the bible requires so we can go be with the Lord? There are just too many temptations out there for me to miss out on. We should live life however we choose; drink, sex, dope, whatever makes us feel good, and then a few hours before we die proclaim, “Hallelujah, I found the Lord. Thank you Jesus. I repent of all my sins. Now send me to be with the lord.”

Just because I can have a meal prepared by a manufacturing company and shipped to me, doesn’t mean I don’t need to break bread with people at times. The frozen parcel does not eliminate the need to be around others at times. People can elect to live in a house by themselves and be a hermit, but most folks choose to live near others, and visit with them.

Thank you Rocky. I should have looked into it more thoroughly.

Great to hear from you Cheri. What TWI was able to take from me, and which I have not been able to regain, is building relationships. I was convinced ANYONE not associated with TWI was unhealthy and to be avoided. This belief made me cut off all relationships with friends and family. At one point I even considered naming a couple in the way legal guardians of our daughter if we should die. Thankfully, I never carried it to that extent. Being associated with TWI was not my first go around at trying to make sense of God in my life. All failed miderably. Finally, I came to the conclusion there is no God, but He is only a creation by man like Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.

You put it very well Bolshevik, much better than I have been able to. Thank you. The biggest thing for me was the Grease Spot Before Midnight, but we all had to overcome some lie from TWI. I knew I would be M & A if I continued like I was going, but decided it was time to move on. At that point there was nothing that would hold me back and was willing to suffer any consequences. I can’t image what women having had sex with Wierwiile went through, but at some point they had to make the decision to leave, also. Many suffered much more psychologically than others, and it seems some are still living with the consequences of what they endured. At the point of sounding hard or unfelling for these woman, no legal crime was committed against them, at least that I am aware of. If there were crimes please let me know. Back to the subject of this thread. Some of the women may have been drugged and raped, but they did nothing about it, whether because of fear, didn’t believe anyone would believe them, or possibly many other concerns. But, they continued, many for years, to have sex with Hefner. Some even described how awful it was to have sex with a dirty old man, but they did continue to do so.

Please provide evidence that laws were broken. If laws were broken they were not followed up on by those affected or the authorities, that I am aware of. I was not there so please fill me in, if you will.

Unlike Hefner’s girlfriends, no mention was made to playmates they must sleep with Hefner. Until some were drugged and raped, they had no intention of screwing him. After they realized their dream of reaching fame was now also dependent having sex with the boss, they continued doing so. At this point you could say Hefner exerted a termendous amount of influence over them, that resulted in them sleeping with him. Or, you could also say, these were grown women, who knew exactly what they were doing, and continued sleeping with Hefner, doing so to achieve their goal of fame. Comparing these actions to Wierwille and Martindale, after having sex the first time with them, any Way woman who continued screwing them, could have packed their bags and left at anytime. The reason for staying may have been because of undue influence, or they decided it was in their future’s best interest, to continue bedding down with them. Unless drugs or alcohol were involved, neither Hefner nor Wierwille broke any laws. No woman was underage or had a gun put to their head and told to hit the mattress.

Yes, “Hefner sold sex. The bunnies sold sex,” but what does that have to do with sex on demand for Hefmer and his friends, from the bunnies? Would you expect a bartender must drink with his boss on demand? Hefner’s girlfriends new they would have sex with him, but the other girls did not. Often they were escorted to his bedroom, drugged, and raped. Surely you recognize a problem with such actions?

Quite convenient the work begins 3 years after the subject is dead, when the director, and all the playmates from the 70’s and 80’s, had decades to put this together, but chose to wait until the subject could not defend himself. At the end of each show it is stated other playmates, and Hefner’s son, have denied this went on, but this takes up less than a minute of the 60 minute show. There is certainly no efforts to obtain both sides of the argument. As far as Playboy’s business model making it a cult, it cidn’t. Cult leaders actions are legal and usually never prosecuted for any wrong doing. It is the way they manipulate the subjects to do their devious works. These young women on the program were assured they were on a road to great things. Just by posing in Playboy magazine, or working in a Playboy club, they were going to be at the top. In the mean time, they were living at the Playboy mansion, and suddenly told the man who has the power to make them stars, now wants them to perform sexually with him. This was never told to them as requirement in the past, but now presently, they are expected to screw the boss and his buddies. Many said they were drugged after presenting themselves in their master’s bedroom. Any if them could have left at anytime, but chose to stay, because they believed great things were around the corner. To my knowledge, neither Wierwille, Martindale, or any others of a multitude of cult leaders around the country, ever forced woman to have sex with them. But the women did, over and over, have sex with them. Why? They were living some false dream the cult leader convinced them was true, and they would do anything to maintain that false dream.

Obviously, Rocky, I am asking the question. I didn’t think anyone would not believe the question came from me. What is your point?

My wife and I have been watching this weekly documentary for the past several months on A&E. It is from the perspective of prior playmates, who in their opinions, have been sexually abused by Hefner and his friends. The women site promises of fame and stardom from Playboy only to be tricked into the bedroom of Hefner, or sex in the grotto with male guests. When this happens, the playmates say they were caught completely off guard, but went ahead and had sex anyway so as not to lose their chances of fame and fortune. Many claimed to have been drugged against their will, but did not follow up with the authorities. Playmates stuck around for years staying loyal to the founder of Playboy and his buddies, even though they realized unwelcomed sex could happen at any time. A few were “girl friends” of Hef, who he had to sign legal documents dictating their every movement while his girlfriend. These women, who many felt were fortunate, could not sign on the dotted line quickly enough. The documents demanded weight requirements of the girls, time limits coming and going from the Playboy mansion, and events they were required to attend. Hefner often had three “girlfriends” at a time, and the three were expected to get along in the bedroom, and must appear at Hefner’s side with broad smiles all the time in public. He even convinced twin sisters to be his “girlfriends” at the same time, but they claim to never have had sex with each other in Hefner’s bedroom. Hefner’s actions seem to be quite cultish. He has managed to create an environment of grandeur, which has been used to convince women to allow unwanted sexual acts performed on them, multiple time, for years. Other playmates have denied any unwanted sexual acts by anyone. Playboy has been around for decades, which begs the question, why wait until Hefner is dead to bring forth these charges?

I passed along some inaccurate information in the above message concerning entering “Donna Randell” in the search box. The result is an abundance of responses to “Donna”, who is another person, not referring to Donna Randell. Entering “Randell” in the search box brings up nothing. i hope you are finding success in your endeavor.

Start reading the forums and you will learn more about The Way than you ever imagined. Also, enter Donna Randall in the search box and you will see her named numerous times. This is the obit for Donna’s husband, Gene. https://www.mccolaughfuneralhome.com/obituary/eugene-randall

Never fear. There are thousands of Christian religions and you can validate any belief you have from one or more of them.