Stayed Too Long

We are all certainly the child of a woman and man (are these still an acceptable descriptions of today’s sexes?) who decided to “come up” with us.

Are you attempting to justify God’s totally incomprehensible creation of mankind by comparing him to yourself? You are so much better than anything he could ever come up with. After all, he botched the first creation so bad, he ended up killing them all. I think your family is in good hands and do not have to fear for their lives.

If Lot and his daughters were living today they would be in prison, because incest is about as bad as it gets. One of the daughter’s offspring with Lot, was even made the head of the Moabites. Along with slavery, rape, and child sacrifice, add incest to the list of sins God allows. Where, oh where, is his mind?

I am sure every parent can relate to your experiences of raising children. Many times they do the opposite of what we wish they would. However, we are discussing God, the all loving, all knowing, and all powerful, creator. One would think he would have made us, from the beginning, perfect, not able to do stupid stuff. After all, that is exactly how life will be after the return, so it is within God’s grasp to make life perfect. But, if we look at Genesis 6:5-7: God has done some pretty stupid stuff, and he even acknowledges the error of his ways. This crazy action by God, resulted in mankind being destroyed. “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the lord said, “I will destroy man….” If God had fore knowledge, he would have known he created very imperfect people. Why make people, knowing you will wipe them off the face of the earth, in the future? Cman, would there ever be any evil thing your 2 sons could do, that you would wish they had never been born, and kill them?

Apparently God piped oxygen to Jonah for three days or he would have drowned or suffocated. Jonah more than likely had plenty to eat—raw fish the whale had caught. It must have a rough ride for Johah in the whale’s belly as the great fish cruised up and down the ocean looking for food. Ouch!

Are you serious? Peek at Genesis 3:1.

These folks were by no means close friends of mine, but ones who had popped in and out of my life from the past, chiefly thru reading of them, from some old books passed down through the years. Another person even claims, as he was hiking in the mountains, a bush burst into flames, after which God proceeded to talk to him. He was even given a couple of stone tablets from God, which supposedly proclaimed God’s will for his people.. Great! But, then this guy threw the tablets down and broke them, as he became angry. What goes on with that? I really hate to admit it, but I’m concerned about their mental health. Jokingly, we can talk about chatting with a boa constrictor or diamond back rattle snake, but I fear it is beyond that with them. They claim this snake changed their’s, and all their relatives lives forever, by tricking one of them to eat an apple. Crazy, huh? And listening to a donkey talk? Hard to comprehend, isn’t it? I know you all are not Dear Abby, but I do need some help dealing with these situations. Any help will be truly appreciated, as I really what to assist them in any way I can

Although I do not believe you can attritribute the bible, koran, and other books to God, there are actions that I have particpated in, which I can not explain happening in nature. For example, while operating an ojui board, It spelled out answers to questions only I knew the answer, and were right on the money and made perfect sense. There were many, many questions asked one after the other, all with accurate responses. My niece found her family had to cease using the ouji board because they began experiencing violence as the piece attacked them. Another example is levitation. A number of us would lay hands on an item and make it float in the air. Once, we sat around a coffee table and it raised several feet off the ground. Anyone one have an explanation?

Are you using Orientalisms as a way to explain and understand God’s actions, in requiring a ransom of death be paid to justify man sinning in the Garden of Eden? Not only demanding the death of his son, but burdening the rest of mankind with a sin nature they must carry with them for the rest of thie lives? Are you saying if we fully grasped the full meaning of orientalisms (the 30,000 foot view), we would understand why God did what he did in the Garden of Eden, and then everything Raf suggested would be a moot point?

I can’t wait for someone to declare thay are in different administrations. Haha

Who can square II Peter with Acts 8:26-31? 26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Go south to the road—the desert road—that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” 27 So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of the Kandake (which means “queen of the Ethiopians”). This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship, 28 and on his way home was sitting in his chariot reading the Book of Isaiah the prophet. 29 The Spirit told Philip, “Go to that chariot and stay near it.” 30 Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked. 31 “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. According to Acts, someone must explain the scriptures, so the scriptures do not intrepret themselves.

Whether the verse has plan or purpose, to me, is neither here nor there. God had the ability to make a perfect world when he introduced Adam, because we are told that is what is going go happen at the end of time, so he knew how to do it. Why force a son to suffer and be crucified just to remedy a situation that happened years before the son was even born? I am really not attempting to find a way to justify, or not justify, Adam or Jesus. My purpose is to point out the whole story is so ludicrous it is not believable.

What does dying and rising have to do with the god of the bible being a completely irresponsible father, specifically to, Adam and Jesus? And then passing this sin nature to the rest of his chosen children?

Same garbage spewed Yesterday, regurgitated Today.

The events I am describing come from the bible. If you have another source you are referring to other than the bible, please share it with us. I am not sure of your belief in the bible, but if you do, what passages do you consider factual, and which are not literal/factual truth/reality? What is your method for determining fact from story? You say some modern day Christian fundamentalists lamented what they see as a trend toward atheism. Who are these folks and could you expound on how it relates to the subject A Loving Father? And how do these people subject more than 6 billion humans to mindless fear mongering?

What would you say about a father who allowed his son to suffer unimaginablly and be finally murdered? And at any time, this father could have intervened and put a halt to all this pain. This father stood by and allowed his son to go through a mock trial, allowed false witnesses to testify against him, watched as he was whipped, and thorns put upon his head, and finally murdered. And why did this son have to endure all this pain and death? Because previously, this same father, set up another son to fail. With the full knowledge his son would not successfully complete the task, he put his son through it anyway. This failure would not only affect this son, but all future sons throughout eternity. Because of this son’s failure, the second son had to die to overcome it. This is not a good track record of a loving father; one son setup to fail, and the second setup to be murdered. This father should be reported to Children Protective Services immediately. It is too late to help these two sons, but current and future sons need to be protected from such an irresponsible parent.

It is quite difficult to following the logic of Quiet Colors and what your point is.

Did you figure out who is responsible for your observation? Please expound on exactly what your observation is?