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Ginger Tea, So you think you know me. Well, you have my attention. Yes it would be fun to find out. Who can resist a woman who's icon is Marilyn ...ummm... and is something of a poet too. My email is in my profile and here: dabobbada@cs.com Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen [This message was edited by dabobbada on August 05, 2002 at 14:58.]

Winelover, It is good to see your handle again. You said; he believed that there was no biblically authentic teaching outside of cff. (CES) So, ummm what gives? It seems to me that it was this right doctrine exclusivity that got us in a pickle in the first place with twi. robin I agree wholeheartedly Robin. When you think you know it all, the devil owns you're behind. You are going down. I always liked John Lynn, but there he needs to be alert to make sure his ego doesn't take over. By the way, that was a good catch on your mistake. Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

Wacky, Thought you were going to the west coast to be a travel guide. (I saw your prayer thread.) Did that not work out. Do you still have your place on Cape Cod? I do pray it is well with you. Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

Oh Kit, How poignant... sweet and sad at the sametime. Sorry to hear about your dad, I hope his remaining years are quite and peacable. As to your brother, I pray he wakes up in time. As we get older, all the more do I see all we really have in this world is family. As to Bxx Mx. He was a good man but too much Way hath made him mad. You have always been a kind and considerate lady and I cannot imagine not being your friend. Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

May your birthday be even better (if possible) than that wonderful decription Ginger Tea just gave. Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

This is written to enlighten you GSers who may be wondering. I got involved with CFF about a year or so after they started up. My friends who went to their little rental church and got me involved of course started earlier and gave me the earliest details. My datings may off a bit but the general details are pretty accurate as I know them. John Shroyer was born and raised not far from HQ. He was what we of small town rural midwest America would call "of good stock." (That means they were real good folks to you city types.) As I recall, his family was involved in TWI from way back when it was just a few farmers. So he had seen it pretty much from the beginning. Around about 1996 or '97, he decided he couldn't take the new oppressive TWI leadership style and walked away from them. He moved to the Tipp City, Ohio area and figured any ministry type work was all in the past. Fairly soon, local ex-wayers, recently burned by TWI, heard he was there and started coming to him for answers and healing. though he didn't really want to get involved again he could not turn them away. (There were many walking wounded.) Pretty soon they were running a home fellowship and rapidly running out of room. They had to rent a nearby closed church for Sunday meetings and they were quickly filling that up. The word was getting out. Friends from Newark, Ohio notified me. I started getting their tapes and started telling others. They were very healing for the brokenhearted. John was teaching in the manner of the early seventies, as it was before all the law and BS set in. It was expanding so rapidly John got together with the Bruns brothers(?) and set up CFFM. He and the Bruns were the first trusties. They got some land and built their first fellowship center. By the time it was built the word was out nationwide and internationally. Many hurting ex-wayers have gone to them and gotten healed. Me too, i consider them very helpful in my healing. As of two or three years ago, these were some of their official policies; CFF asks noone for any money, believing God will give the increase as per George Mueller The tapes they send out are free of charge. I've never paid a cent for mine nor sent them any money for them. I still get them every week. (They teach giving, but it is according to as you purpose in your own heart and you give it to whom you want too. No forcing you to give to them.) Every fellowship is entirely self sufficient, no lording from above. fellowship monies are for fellowship use as the fellowship desires. Their belief system is basicaly PFAL. They are working it to improve it and get rid od the junk as I understand. PFAL is not so bad. I think it is as good as most other christian belief systems out there. It taught me how to work the word of God and make it my own. It Showed me God clearly enough so it was easy to love him. Enough for now. Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

Beautiful Ginger, Glad to hear that about him. It appears your own words are poetry also. Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

Steve, Your name sounds familiar, have we known each other someplace, or were you possibly on staff at HQ? I used to go there a lot, even long before it was mandatory. (I have usually lived close to HQ; Ft. Wayne, Columbus, Dee-troit. I was born and raised 45 miles from New Knoxville.) Fear not Ginger Tea, I am not mad at Steve. He seemed to me to be ranting and I just wanted him to get more of a focus. (not the Ford) (Sorry, never could resist a bad joke.) Believe me Steve, I have been thru the pain and bitterness too. I still get angry when I read what the leaders of TWI did to some of our wonderful ladies like Excathedra and Valerie52 and many others. They used and abused and lorded the Word of God over all of us. As I understand it, these abusers were a relatively small inner circle within the inner circle. I know many staff did not know of it and I beleive many clergy didn't either. Will give some leadership the benefit of the doubt until 2 or 3 witnesses come forth and say otherwise. I will try to answer some of your Questions in another post soon, meanwhile, I am enclosing some CFF Statements off their website for your info: CFF Our purpose; The Christian Family Fellowship Ministry is a studying, teaching, and fellowship ministry. Our purpose is to study and search the scriptures to understand their accuracy regarding Jesus Christ, who is "the way, the truth, and the life." We want to learn to apply the principles and precepts of God's Word so as to manifest the more than abundant life that Jesus Christ came to make available. Our hearts' desire is to then teach that which we have learned to individuals who are seeking. Our goal is to reach heads of families with God's Word so that they can teach their own families even unto the third generation as we are exhorted to do according to the scriptures. II Peter 1: 20,21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. The Bible is of no private interpretation, that is why we are exhorted in II Timothy 2:15 to "study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Christian Family Fellowship Ministry is dedicated to being our best in our remembrance and application of these scriptures as we study, teach, and fellowship with the followers of this ministry. As we learn and teach, no dogmas will be imposed on an individual. We make our fellowships available to those who are searching for an accurate knowledge of the truth, who desire to increase the power of God in their lives, and who wish to fellowship with like-minded believers in God's family and household. Statement of CFF Beliefs; We believe that the scriptures are the Word of God. That the Word of God is the will of God and is supreme, absolute, and final authority for believing and godliness. We believe in one God, the creator of the heavens and earth; in Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son, our lord and savior, whom God raised from the dead; and we believe in the workings of the Holy Spirit. We believe that the virgin Mary conceived Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit; that God was in Christ; and that Jesus Christ is the "mediator between God and man" and is the man Christ Jesus'. We believe that Adam was created in the image of God, spiritually; that he sinned and thereby brought upon himself immediate spiritual death, which is separation from God, and physical death later, which is the consequence of sin; and that all human beings are born with a sinful nature. We believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, as a representative and substitute for us, and that all who believe that God raised him from the dead are justified and made righteous, born again by the Spirit of God, receiving eternal life on the grounds of His eternal redemption, and thereby are sons of God. We believe in the resurrection of the crucified body of our Lord Jesus Christ, his ascension into heaven, and his seating at the right hand of God. We believe in the hope of Christ's return and our gathering together. We believe in the bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust. We believe in the receiving of the fullness of the holy spirit, the power from on high, plus the corresponding nine manifestations of the holy spirit, for all born-again believers. We believe it is available to receive all that God promises us in His Word according to our believing faith. We believe we are free in Christ Jesus to receive all that he has accomplished for us by his substitution. We believe the early church flourished rapidly because they operated the power of God with great believing, basically in a home and family atmosphere, decently and in order, not by compulsion, but by their freewill giving of their time, talent, and resources, and their dynamic concern and love for God as well as their thankfulness to Him. They had a reverence for and loyalty to God plus a caring respect for one another. Then and Now; In the first century Church, Christians believed they were saved by grace and received power to operate the nine manifestations of holy spirit. Besides having received internal power these early believers studied the Word of God and acted upon it as the will of God. Those same early Christian believers met in homes, and established a lifestyle of being together, studying, fellowshipping, teaching, and worshipping on a daily basis. Christian Family Fellowship Ministry is primarily a home fellowship ministry. Small group fellowships are made available during the week in various local communities They are usually coordinated by a member of the family in that home The fellowships include a short, positive teaching from the Bible, prayer, singing, and manifestations of the spirit of God. Those participating do so freely of their own volition. There is no obligation to become a member because we have no membership other than the five trustees. Finances for the operation of the ministry rest entirely upon the love, believing, and freewill giving of those who desire to support and be involved as a participant of the Christian Family Fellowship Ministry. Our growth; Christian Family Fellowship Ministry will continue to reach out to those who desire to want to know more about God's Word and seek to fellowship with a caring group of believers that study, teach, and fellowship in light of our statement of beliefs with a special focus on building up the individual and the Christian family. The home fellowship meetings during the week, (of 10-20). are small enough to give special attention to each believer to help them develop and grow at their individual rates and at the same time meet their spiritual needs by providing spiritual nourishment through the teaching and ministering of God's Word. We will also develop special classes that will aid in their learning of God's Word and practice of its principles and precepts. Also we will be doing special seminars and weekends dealing with various topics that will be helpful in their learning process and progress. We do not claim to know everything there is to know about God and His Word, but that which we do know we are dedicated to teach to others. That is the purpose and heart of the Christian Family Fellowship Ministry. Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

Indebtsayswho, Glad to hear you had a great time. Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

Long gone, Yeah, I can't get into this father in the word crap anymore either. VP pulled a lot of different work together a put it in a nice package that seemed to make a lot of sense. Without it, God only knows where or what I'd be today. VP was an editor and nothing more. And then he used that and perverted it. It is written I think in Ezekial to the effect of; you were perfect in all your ways but when you did evil, all your good was forgoten. That's VP. Much of PFAL was good and some of it is pure junk. CFF needs to filter it out and give those who want it the good stuff. I believe they are trying to do that. I haven't heard their new classes so I don't know. Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

I met Steve a couple times about three years ago. He was active with Christian Family Fellowship then and was in the process of moving to Texas. His wife was already down there. You can try emailing Nancy Banios at CFF and seeing if she will forward your email addy to them. Her addy is; cffsec@aol.com . Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

One of my all time favorites, I love reading your posts. Many Hugz backatcha!!! I will try to become more of a presence here again. The facts are important to get to the the truth. I hope CFF never strays from their founding principles or ever forgets the hard lessons they've learned. I do know their early history and they are off to a good start. I have been so out of touch lately I didn't even know this weekend was the reunion. It would have been nice to make it. When I was there I met maybe fifteen Waydalers, half of whom would not reveal their usernames. And many others including CFF leadership admitted to lurking at WD. Bless ya bunches Linda!!! Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

Song, Have you so well figured it all out? Do you have all the answers? Can you tell me the difference between good and bad? CFF has stated they do not have all the answers. They have also said they are no better than any other christian group out there. They have said they are trying to do the best they can according to what they understand. From my travels of many groups, christian and others, that is what they all are trying to do. I no longer believe all TWI taught me but there was a lot of good and Godly things that were taught and lived. (Mostly at an inspired twig level early on.) Your bitterness and resentment towards all things TWI does not negate the many good things God was able to work therein. (many times in spite of leadership.) Your saying CFF is bad does no more to make them bad than my saying they are good does anything to make CFF good. Present the facts and let people make up thier own minds. How about you presenting some known facts rather than your feelings and innuendo? The things I have stated I have personally seen and heard. Good night, Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

May you never live it down. I wish you THE best in all your doings Raf!!! Love, dapropheta dabobbada aka; Bobba Dabobbada Neanderbobba Ebenezer Nebuchadnezzer O'Reilly O'Hansen By the way??? If Garth is the "Prophet Emeritus of THE" Does that mean I am buried under the Fountain of Living Guinness? Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

Song, Ihaven't had contact with them for two or three years because of health and other reasons. I believe they honestly want to keep the good stuff TWI offered while getting rid of the bad stuff. I do think they have realised what TWI's mistakes were and are determined to not repeat them I do not know if any of their leadership was in VP or Loy's inner circle of privileged perverts or not. From what I have read over the last few years, many people who were on staff for years did not know of the inner circle's evil doings. I am sure many of the ordained did not either. If they knew or were a part of it and repented and changed thier ways, I would give them grace. But I'll watch thier actions as well as thier words until I was satisfied one way or the other. We all have much to be embarrassed about when we come before the Lord. I have looked at all the biggest breakaway groups from TWI and I believe CFF is far and away the best. Bobba Dabobbada Neanderbobba Ebenezer Nebuchadnezzer O'Reilly O'Hansen PS Does anyone know where the edit button is? Nevermind, I found it! (talk about dumb luck.) Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen [This message was edited by dabobbada on August 04, 2002 at 1:48.]

A friend started calling me Bobba. I didn't like it. I started playing around with it; got to da-bobba. Kinda liked it but it sounded incomplete. After playing around with it a while, I came up with Da-bobba-da. I liked it, my friend didn't. It got forgotten for a few years. Then I got a computer, and it said I needed a username. Hmmmmmm... said I It is unique, and for your knowledge, It is pronounced; duh-bah-bah-duh. (Now say it several times fast til you get the hang of it. Funny, now I like Bobba too. Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

Happy bidet to you... happy bidet to you......., Happy bidet dear DeeDee.... happy bidet to yyouuuuuuuuuu!!! Yer da best! Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen

Hi to all of you who know me, I was at the dedication of the CFF church or meeting house or whatever you may want to call it, and the first or second reunion. I have missed the last ones because of health issues. I'll try to describe a little what it was like for your understanding. For starters, the time was like the best times of the rock of ages. CFF is like TWI in the early '70s before all the control and law set in. They want their fellowships to be sweet and healing. They use VP's PFAL series as their basic belief system but they also have a research group whose purpose is to go thru what we all have been taught to attempt to prove/disprove it. Last I knew Research Geek is in on that crew. What you may think of Research Geek here may just give you a hint of what you can think of CFF. Physically, Tipp City sits right on I-75 maybe 10 miles north of Dayton, Ohio. You get off I-75 and go west about a mile or so and there it is. One-half mile outside Tipp City, on maybe 30 to 60 acres, back about 200 feet from the road; a smallish, churchish, (without a steeple) colonial style one story building. The CFF Fellowship building is new and pleasant. It seats about 170 people and maybe another 150 or so in the basement. For large functions, they put a 40 by 40 foot tent out back for overflow diners and for those who just want to hang out. The $20 to $30 I was charged for these functions were to cover catering during the event. CFF's thinking was they wanted noone to be burdened by jobs when they could be having fun with old friends or making new ones. Structured time was similiar to TWIs big weekend events in that there were 1 or 2 morning fellowships, 1 or 2 afternoon fellowships and an evening one. Try to get there Friday night and leave Sunday afternoon. There was a lot of free time too. And no one ever told me I needed to get back into the fellowship when I was hanging out outside. Everyone was "blessed" and had a good time, and I got to meet some old friends. Unfortunately, there were no WOW burgers, (my all-time favorite ROA food.) but the catered food was good, plentiful and varied. No one needed to go home hungery. Housing is by several hotels, all right off I-75, and within one to eight miles away. They don't offer on grounds camping. I rated My time there as .... Very Good! Anyone with other experiences, good or bad, please add your opinions of your attendence there. Way II much fun for one man. love, Bob Hansen [This message was edited by dabobbada on August 04, 2002 at 2:03.]