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Rascal, Your post shows a unique and loving relationship with a wonderful and smart horse there. Please remember all the good times you had with Lady. There certainly were many fond memories for all your family to rejoice in. Grieving is a necessary part of the loss of anyone or anything loved, and you need to let it play out in your soul. But what you said in the quoted part is guilt. Guilt is an evil worm that will tear at your heart and can cause physical and emotional illness, please guard your heart against that. I am certain you did not know the feed you fed Lady was contaminated. Having been raised on farms and in rural communties, I do know that feed contamination sometimes happens, and you usually find out when animals die. You are not at fault or guilty of it, because you didn't know, bad things happen in life. (Not trying to belittle your loss, but it seems to me I recall the digestive systems of horses, compared to other animals, are very sensitive to bad foreign factors to begin with, and it can easily go mortal with them.) You took Lady to the Vet because Veterinarians are the best bet to save her. And I am sure he did the best he could. In spite of the great help Vets have been to the health and well being of many animals, I have yet ever to see or hear of an animal that didn't want to get out of the office and get back to home sweet home. Lady would probably have died on the way back or shortly after you got her back home. Maybe you would have felt better if you had done that, maybe not. Life if full of responsibilities, many more than you can ever get done. It is necessary to set priorities and pick and choose. Really it is giving your best guess as what is most important. Sometimes you guess well, sometimes not. Being human, we many times make mistakes and end up feeling guilty and regret. We make our decisions for the day having guessed our best guesses and then setting the priorities according to those guesses. Unfortunately, we don't see the results of our decisions until after the results have happened. You couldn't know and now it is not good, even wrong to guilt yourself for it. Back in '78, my mother was cooking the evening meal, and my dad went out for his daily walk. When he came back, my mom had died of a heart attack. My dad always felt bad he was not there when she died, but he could have done nothing about it or for it. Understand? Please greive all you need to but be careful and guard your heart to not let guilt come in and cause your soul any destruction. You have more than enough to do taking care of your wonderful family. I love you and I am praying for you and yours.

So sorry to hear about that. :(--> I grieve with you and your family. There is a unique bond people have with a horse. You're in my prayers.

Well... you already know how to duck if you have too, ;)--> I'll pray you don't have to. You have a great time and get tons of good pix. :D--> :)-->

Does anyone remember back around '89 -'90, when Loyboy sent those 'Leadership' tapes out. The ones where he ascribed dozens of devil spirits to Chris Geer. Loy said many great volumns of things in those tapes. One was a major way to prove that his way was right and Geer was wrong. It was Loy's claim that VP had said one of the proofs the ministry would stand and survive, was if the Weirwille family stood with the ministry. If they didn't stand with the ministry, it would fall. Another way to say it is if the family stood with TWI, then TWI was right with God. If the family left TWI then TWI had turned away from God after false idols. Of course, at the time, all the kids were still with TWI. When I heard the tape, I recalled I had heard the statement a few years before, and I think I heard it from VP. And now, a few years later. Don has passed on, all the other kids have long left, and Mom has been deported. IF TWI really believes VP was the man of God and spoke by revelation, they ought to be feeling really bad about the paths they are following these days. :D-->

Now would that be according to; Snow pump dating, Vesper Chimes dating, or Actual Incorporation dating? ;)--> :D--> :D-->

Therein lies the crux of the whole matter, and of all life.

Oldiesman and others, I was talking to one of the Weirwille kids at a CFF get together 5 or 6 years back. I will not name who for their privacy, and I think what I am about to say is fairly general but gets the point across. I asked what the kid thought about GS cafe. This person said they checked in at GSC on occasions to find out what new things were going on. It was kind of tough to do so because of the many bad things being said about VPW. To this person, VPW was first and foremost Dad, with all the fine and deep things that dad means. Also VP had taught his children the Word and to love God, and for that the child was thankful. The kid also said they were never aware of any of the behind the scenes things which later were exposed on the net. It hurt the child to read about VP's evildoings because to the kid, VP was dad. One should think for a minute what it would feel like to have others accuse your dad of the things VP has been accused of, then you might begin to understand what it is like to be one of his kids and why they may remain silent or anonymous at a site like this. It's been a long while since I've seen any because of my health problems, but all the Weirwille kids I've met have been good people and totally undeserving of their father's legacy. I agree, leave them alone and let them live in peace.

Leaders who leave twi were possessed? Well,.. actually, they were dispossessed. :D--> :D--> :D-->

Thanks pjroberge, Nice charts, they showed a minor dip for the lean years, roughly 10% of their assets. They easily brought it back up with a few property sales. And now it is inincreasing again. (For some reason. I couldn't raise the pdf files for 2003.) Again thanks for your efforts. :)--> Hey there oldiesman, I'm afraid I'm "forcibly" retired due to chronic health problems. I'm getting some compensation from the Veterans Administration and working on getting SS Disability. I'll be ok after I get that started. Too bad too, my former company is making big time bucks right now. Oh well. Maybe I should sue TWI too. :D--> :D--> :D--> I trust you and yours are doing well? Good seeing you again, love you too. :)-->

"Servant-style leadership," eeeh? Boy is that loaded. Absolute abject doulos slaves to RosyLie. And in TWI's 1984 doublespeak, absolute masters over anyone who would be put under them, who's every sneaky suspicion is direct revelation from god against the household. I feel sorry for them that their minds have been molded, programed and hardened at HQ. But I feel sorrier for those that will be manipulated, mistreated and abused by them.

Tsk, tsk, Trefor. You should be ashamed of yourself. ;)-->

Uncle Hairy and all y'all, Check with proberge's site. He has gotten religious organization state disclosure records from Arizona I think. They require a religious org. registered in their state to fully disclose their assets to the state. These are public records so proberge got copies for about 1997 to 2001 if I remember right. The essense of it is during all that time TWI's assets were around $44 million. Half was in properties and the other half was cash. One of the things the early reports showed was that the so called lean years ('96 -'98?) where they bemoaned they were out of money and couldn't pay all those salaried way corps never happened. That was when they sold all the limb homes, the campuses, the planes and busses, and cut back on staff and way corps salaries. Remember, if the almighty TWI was paying your salary, you better not spend it on tobacco or pets or getting pregnant. Yep, that would get you ostrasized, demoted and fired in an instant. The $44 mil at the end was about the same as it was before the going broke propaganda. The interest off the $22 mil in cash assets could easily keep TWI running for many years.

I can't believe they had the unmitigated gaul to say that!!! That statement is diametrically opposed to one of God's greatest promises in Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (KJV) Talk about somebody who is going to have to "significantly answer" to God. Those boys are ina heap o' trouble. -->

Hi Georgio, I lived near them in northeast Columbus Ohio during the early mid eighties. I liked them, they were good folks. Dawn was a real cutie, about 10 to 12 years old then. I'm sorry I don't remember many details any more. But Brenda was having a rough time of it from the Corps types because she hadn't finished the program. I guess they thought they had to toughen her up to go back in, it just made things a lot harder. Finally, she got kind of bitter about it and wanted out. Somebody was moving to Florida and invited them to come along. Brenda jumped at the chance to get out of the situation as it was in Columbus. Dawn of course wasn't too happy because of her friends she'd made there. Thru mutual friends, I heard they were doing better down there, but not strong with TWI. Then heard she was dating an unbeliever, and in time married him. The last I heard, Brenda was out of TWI but was happy. This was all 15 to 20 years ago. Dawn would be about 30 now. As I recall Brenda was from the Indianapolis Indiana area, my home state.:D--> For your internet searches, I think the last name was Decker, not Decher. They were good people and I hope they are doing well. Dawn was a complete sweetie, tell her (and Brenda) I said hi if you ever find her.

Having gotten in TWI in '73 and generally being in close proximity, (under 100 miles,) to HQ most of the '70s and '80s, I spent a fair amount of time there and knew some staff folks. A common complaint in the '70s was how some of the locals hassled HQ. They would drive by shouting and honking horns and doing general mischief. When the OSC was being put up and on a number of occasons after it was built, someone driving by also took potshots at it. A friend of mine on staff showed me a couple bullet holes in the front of the OSC, saying there were several more from the last drive-by. And yes there was a real frustration amoung the staff over the situation. Calls to the Sherrifs Dept. generally took 20 minutes or more before they got to HQ. Of course that was way too late to curtail bad behavior. Someone in the legal dept. found the old law mentioned above and found it still to be valid. So they did the proceedures and did the training and there came to be a legal and proper police unit at HQ. Once the word went out, the hassling dropped to near zero. Of course, once the word got out that a cult in Ohio had it's own police force, then every anti-way newspaper article written after that included the ol' "what does a church need a police force for?" question amoungst its accusations. Eventually, some Ohio politicians picked up on the issue and sponsored an amendment to the police laws that nullified the religeous police allowance. Way Safety then had to become security guards instead and gave up their guns. I am surprised to hear they are carrying guns again.

It seems to me that over the years of WayDale, GSC I and GSC II there have been a couple/few posters who declared they had first hand accounts affirming knowledge of lesbian leanings of these two ladies. Way II much fun for one man. love ya, Bob Hansen

George, I am an easy going type myself, I do not subject myself to superstitions, and I like to read scientific magazines for fun and exciting new ideas. I can't explain it either, but in the nightworld, I've seen strange attitudes tied to the moon. I would have to go with WordWolf on this one; Way II much fun for one man. love ya, Bob Hansen

Having spent much of my youth on rural Indiana farms, I've always loved seeing the full moon in that deep clear country starfield. Besides the rich sky scene, the way it put it's soft silvery glow over foilage and rolling lansdcape was always bewitchingly beautiful to me. But that was then and this is now. I have lived my adult times in large towns that greatly reduced the night views by the haze and reflected city light effects. Where I am now in metro Detroit, it is the worst ever to see any night show. Back in the late '80s, I worked for a while in an Amoco convenience store in Ft. Wayne. I was working third shift in a mixed black and poor white trash neighborhood about a mile south of the drug district. We were the only place open at night within a five mile circle, so everyone knew where we were. My customers were a broad spectrum of every type of humanity possible. There were many honest night workers, many pimps, prostitutes, homos, cross dressers, and evildoers of every sort. I showed them all due respect as paying customers and had a good rapport with all but the crabbiest of them. I was talking to a cop after one particularly hectic night and was asking him if it was a wierd on the street as it had been for me. He replied with; "Well it is the full moon, isn't it." I laughed because I knew it was just a superstition. He shook his head and told me to keep an eye on it and see what happens. He said all the cops see it and believe it. I decided to keep it in the back of my mind. Whenever I saw folks being wierd, I'd check the moon and too many times it was full. When I knew the moon was full, I definitely noticed more wierdness, but then again, I may have seen it because I was looking for it. However, on many a rough night, a conversation with a cop went like this. "Bad night out there?" "Yeah the perps are pretty antzy." "Yeah, here too, the customers have been wired all night. Full moon I see." "No crap, when it is full, they crawl out from under the rocks." "Well, it's getting daylight soon." "Yeah, can't wait for this one to be over." From my perspective, what I saw was an antzyness, with a shorter fuse on the temper in people. I didn't believe it at first but it is there. It is not something you can measure in a beaker in a sanitary science experiment in daylight. You have to become a creature of the night for an extended time to see it in action, and then it will take a while to see it. :D--> :D--> :D--> Way II much fun for one man. love ya, Bob Hansen

yeah, Goldwater was one of those tough ol' farts from the days when you could passionately disagree and still respect and be polite to one another. I've always liked him. I thought the article was pretty good, by the way. Way II much fun for one man. love ya, Bob Hansen

Oops, sorry about that, I just got here. Well you are both passionate about your causes for sure. Better than the lukewarm soul who never feels the fire. Back when I was young, the ol' farts would fight passionately all day long. When they were finished, they would agree to disagree by saying; "I may not agree with what you are saying, but I'll fight to the death your right to say it." It was good, but something is missing these days. Way II much fun for one man. love ya, Bob Hansen

Rocky, You're beginning to sound like QQ when he was fighting against the corporate GeaseSpot during the forum rules wars. Paw has always been the fairest admin I've ever seen in any forum and far more patient than a coon dog with three toddlers pounding him with their rattlers and pulling his ears. I am surprised you and QQ were not permanently banned many moons ago. Unless you want to be banned, please lighten up. Way II much fun for one man. love ya, Bob Hansen

Dang, tom.... I guess Jonny never heard of Janis. Way II much fun for one man. love ya, Bob Hansen

Valerie, Playing around on my DeLorme Street Atlas with the different replies it gave, what I got is; Indian Hot Springs is on Indian Hot Springs Road a Couple miles north of Eden, Az. I checked out Eden Az on mapquest State map and it popped up and showed Hot Springs Rd too. Mapquest doesn't show the road going all the way to the Springs, but DeLorme does. Eden is east by southeast of Phoenix as you said, probably about 120 miles. you can take State Rd. 60 out of Phoenix to St. Rd. 70 to get there or run I 10 to St. Rd. 191 to St. Rd 70 to get there. I hope it helps you. :)--> :D--> Way II much fun for one man. love ya, Bob Hansen [This message was edited by dabobbada on February 08, 2004 at 20:28.] [This message was edited by dabobbada on February 08, 2004 at 20:31.]

Great idea Seth, maybe we can rename it Branson East. :D--> Way II much fun for one man. love ya, Bob Hansen

Careful with _those_ burgers wd58 - might get Mad WOW disease. Way II funny ISTW, so that is what drove us to do that stuff. Man I loved those burgers. Way II much fun for one man. love ya, Bob Hansen