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  1. You may be mistaken here. Remember, for this whole theory I am ONLY talking about natural man's free will, man with no spirit. VPW didn't spend a lot of time talking about the natural man's mind, other than what it is NOT good at: knowing God. VPW spent more time talking about the mind of a Christian with spirit. But VPW did make it a point to say that natural man had free will. My narrative on the natural man mind and it's free will does not contain the slightest hint of that mind ever getting spirit or born again. I am not writing a book that leads to that. I have different aims, so I am writing about an area that SOUNDS antithetical to PFAL, because PFAL does not want to focus on that natural man mind as much as I do. Maybe that is why it sounds so strange to you. It's definitely NOT for the average grad's consumption for spiritual growth and enlightenment. It is to move laboratory scientists to look for mechanisms like the ones I am predicting. Eventually, I would like to pull out some practical tips on free will for non-scientists. Meanwhile, the rule of thumb I get from all this for free will is don't give up, keep trying, and keep trying different methods.
  2. We discussed this a little. I made a note to beef up my pay-pal so's I can donate. */*/*/*/* These chapters of mine are not at all ready to publish. This is not a self-publishing. It is submitted for review. I was hoping (and still am) for some discussion of the ideas. I have been discussing almost all of the material in these chapters in pieces for about 5 years in Free Will discussion forums. So I am accustomed to discussing these ideas against all the characters on the Internet. I say against, because each idea gets opposed. I also expect fierce opposition here, but I want opposition to the ideas, not opposition to me or my background, both technical and spiritual. It's the ideas that need discussing. */*/*/*/* I totally agree with you, Rocky, this should be in the Open Forum because Free Will interests just about everybody. It wasn't my decision to put it here in About the Way. */*/*/*/*/* I only have one small fraction of a chapter left. It is a General Theory of deterministic freedoms. The sailboat comes up again a little, so please wake up T-Bone.
  3. Minimalistic Free Will Chapter 5 - DETERMINISM ########################## Determinism is what makes “what happens” happen. One big reason that there is a such a debate and paradox involving free will and determinism is because determinism is SO ominously powerful in science. Determinism has nearly all the success of science backing it up. Assuming that determinism is true is a VERY safe assumption. Classical free will (LibFW) is defined in such complete opposition to determinism, that this form of free will is pretty much ruled out in science circles, these days. It is safe to say that a huge majority of all working scientists believe in determinism. Whenever you nonchalantly zoom through a green traffic light you, too, are betting your life on the determinism that rules in its electronics. ALL of the surety we enjoy in science is due to determinism. It is THE cornerstone of Modern Science. Determinism is not really a theory. It’s more of a BENEFIT that often emerges from scientific analysis. Debating against determinism is like tilting at windmills. No one wants to bother, because determinism is SO SOLID. It’s a little different in the small world of Quantum, but not that much. */*/* Here is an example of determinism in all its glory and simplicity: A train leaves NYC traveling at a constant 60 miles per hour. Assuming no interruptions and interventions, how far away is the train from NYC two hours later? Answer: 120 miles. The train’s constant speed DETERMINES what the train’s location will be at that later time. It’s really that simple. It gets more interesting with complications, like if the velocity changes with time, as with a falling object. A baseball outfielder estimates from the ball’s speed leaving the bat and its direction, where to run to and how fast. The outfielder’s internal Physics Simulator (the brain) estimates the determinism that operates on the ball from seeing it many, many times before. That’s all determinism is. Some kind of rule plus the initial conditions, together DETERMINE what happens in the near future. */*/* Exactly HOW this rule rules, and how determinism determines, no one knows. In medieval times some thought that many microscopic angels pushed things around, all according to God’s will, and that was how determinism ruled. A little later, Newton tried to get his corpuscle theory of light do the dance of constructive and destructive interference bands. I hear that what he came up with resembles micro-angels dancing in tiny places. Then, a few more centuries later, modern Quantum Mechanics uses a soup of virtual particles, popping in and out of existence to help prop everything else up. Is it just a coincidence that “virtual particles” sound a lot like “virtuous particles” ...and we’re almost back to micro-angels again? Not really. Not only would there need to be a HUGE number of micro-angels pushing everything around, but each one would have to have instant access to an on-board supercomputer to calculate precisely how strong their next push should be, and in which exact direction. Modern sophisticated Physics simply gives up on all this background process, and admits that it has nothing to say about the “how” involved in determinism and the Laws of Physics. The only thing Physics now addresses is “how much” or “where in space” or “when in time.” Only things that are measurable are in the Physics focus now. WHATEVER makes each particle do what it does is determinism. */*/* For such a fundamental thing like determinism, think of it as the consensus as what all the undergraduate Physics textbooks say about it. What DO they say about it? Not much; they just use it. Determinism is such a basic concept, that this is where to find it first. */*/* Quantum re-arranged determinism a little, but it’s still there. Ever since Quantum Mechanics was discovered, there’s less consensus on determinism in the frontiers or fringes of a field, because indeterminacy seems to hold promise of helping out in times of explanatory need. After that frontier field is settled and once some things are nailed down, determinism will return to its throne in that field. But Neuroscience is not settled, so there is a lot of noise in this frontier field about determinism. It’s one of the things people turn to when things get very confusing. In the bulk of normal science, and neuroscience, it’s mostly Newtonian in flavor. Classical Newtonian Physics works VERY well all the way down to the level of brain cells and further. In the science frontiers, like the mind, they are often pulling out their hair for new ideas, and quantum determinism is popularly regarded as one of the “usual suspects” when all goes wrong. This theory on minFW, being FULLY deterministic, should bring satisfaction to this vast bulk of scientists, working on far more tame issues. To them, determinism is what makes everything work well. They are tired of hearing from the frontier how determinism flexes this way or that. They are comfortable with garden variety Newtonian determinism. */*/* The verb “to determine” is somewhat synonymous with the verb “to force.” A theory is a detailed way of predicting the future of a system. Then, to test the theory, we do an experiment by physically building such a system with said initial conditions, and observing how it behaves as it reaches a later time. It is very dramatic to see the theory and the experiment line up and agree with each other, and is cause for great celebration in science. THIS is where determinism comes in. Scientists form a strong impression from these celebrations that Nature somehow actually FORCES the system to behave in the same way the theory describes. If this kind of celebration does not occur, then that signals the possible need for a new theory. */*/* To me the only determinism that really matters is the kind seen in simple Physics 101. I would say that most scientists never speak nor read the word “determinism” in their work. They all simply assume the background of causality and determinism, and then crank away with their work, never even thinking of that assumption. */*/* Another simple example of determinism in action is dropping a ball from a short height. You set the clock to zero when the ball is dropped, and the time the ball hits the floor is what we are interested in. We apply the theory of gravity to get a prediction of that time. We do this experiment ten times and see that our prediction is very accurate, and our strong impression grows that gravity is FORCING the ball to drop exactly the same way the theory predicts. How gravity does this is a complete mystery, until you go to General Relativity. But even then, you see mass mysteriously “forcing” space-time to curve. As we make numerical predictions with gravity theory and see them to be accurate in laboratory measurements, we forget about the background mystery of HOW gravity does this. It just DOES it! Plus, THIS is numerically how strongly it does it, and THIS how quickly in time it gets the job done. The strong impression grows that SOMEHOW Nature forces (or determines) the future behavior of falling balls with natural forces, as well as ALL particles of matter, some involving systems much more complicated that a dropped ball. In the history of science this kind of growth went on-and-on for centuries. Finally, we look at the most complicated of all systems, the human brain with the course of thoughts, and the subjective feel of free will. Suddenly, our confidence in determinism forcing the behavior of all matter gets a surprising set of new challenges. This is when the trouble starts. Up until this point determinism and its “forcing” has been a VERY useful, powerful, and beautiful friend. But suddenly we see the possibility that this wonderful determinism is ALSO forcing every thought we think! So, determinism is a friend, until it is applied to us and seems to threaten our very existence. If we are forced to do everything we do, what is left to be US? Nothing! It’s the ultimate existential quandary, if our personal identities are based on us having a great treasure of originality and uninfluenced behavior. */*/* But I think that war is over, and determinism won. Actually, I’m very deliberately trying to beat a new drum for determinism. I think it’s gotten a bad rap, and at one time I was doing some of that bad rapping. So, I made a peace treaty with determinism. I let it rule; it lets me think I’m ruling. I’m only half joking here. For many decades I held determinism in relative schizophrenic contempt. I loved it for all things except mental. It was a very rocky relationship. So, to my audience I want to say: “Determinism is NOT GUILTY, after all!” We can have free will (a little of it) AND we can keep our Precious & Proven Determinism, and give it a capital “D” as an appropriate apology for all the decades of trying to make it fall apart. */*/* One reason determinism is so durable is because it is so VERY simple. It’s what makes science useful, and sometimes able to predict the future. It’s literally what makes the Sun come up tomorrow. */*/* In the years 2005-2015 (just prior to my finding minFW) I went on a desperate war with determinism. All my attempts for decades to find determinism relief in Quantum and other means had failed. I tried every possible way to KILL determinism! It got funny, like a parody. I was tilting at THE windmill of science and I knew it. I was desperate. I spend many years trying to get determinism relief to no avail. Now, in this new theory, I am actually USING determinism to achieve partial freedom. Determinism is VERY useful. It’s the very reason science is useful I have learned that determinism is a friend to us when we want to get things done. I now believe that simple biology can use determinism for producing a liver, a heart, and a brain with consciousness and free will. */*/* Being in control of your actions implies determinism. It is via determinism that the control happens. Once we get it right, a habit is very useful. Determinism maintains good habits as well as bad. This is why at least some level of determinism is needed in order to MAINTAIN the “will” part of a “free will worth wanting.” */*/* The reason most working scientists don’t believe in traditional FW is because they love determinism, and use it all the time in their work. Determinism has been a great friend everywhere in science and technology. Free will has been very poorly handled in recent centuries, with most time wasted on Libertarian ideas that try to evade Physics. I don’t think that deterministic robotic behavior is all that bad, as long as it’s good sophisticated robotic behavior, i.e., principled and flexible, and an appropriately large repertoire of responses. That’s pretty much all we really want in humans! We want our friends and family to be principled and flexible. Principled means guided by, and even limited to some noble end. It is a CONSTRAINT on freedom to be principled. Too much freedom in the behavior of others usually makes me want to leave the room. I want my actions somewhat guided and constrained, and I want the same in my companions. The freedom minFW offers is not sky high and way out there (like LibFW), but instead is highly constrained. Looking at minFW closely you’ll see that the freedom is limited to that internal set of standard(s) or expectation(s) or creed(s) that I mention is installed by teaching at a young age, usually by family and then friends and teachers. */*/* So, the minimal freedom I think we have for behavior, decisions, and performances is that we are (partially) free to change courses from the one we are on now, to a course that better aligns with our installed internal expectations. */*/* A great deal of respect should be restored to determinism. I see clear notions of determinism as having started back in Newton’s time and it developed and strength in the early 1800’s to become a real dominant and respected feature in science. Later in the 1800s confidence in this kind of determinism grew and then electricity and magnetism seemed to act the same way. So, Determinism grew to be King around the mid to late 1800s. Something in nature makes things happen, determines the courses of atoms, is the big determining Factor. Whatever you want to call it. It has nothing to do with predictability. It’s a Wonderful luxury when we are able to predict with the math, and an even greater luxury when the math agrees with the laboratory measurements. But all that is an add-on luxury to determinism. If we humans are unable to work out the math, we need not worry because Nature has it all worked out already. The bottom line is that something in nature makes it all happen, and it always makes it happen right. That’s where the ideas of laws came in for Newton. */*/* Here are some of these SAME thoughts in a different format. So, what the heck is determinism? Determinism determines what happens. Atoms are blind and mindless. There are no free will decisions made at the low level of atoms, according to the best of science. And this is a very good thing. From this blind obedience of atoms we get a stable and predictable world. Without determinism bossing atoms around, tables would not be solid and water would not be splashy. Without determinism your phone would not work. Nothing at all would work right. Without determinism operating at the lower levels, Annie couldn’t guarantee that the Sun would come out tomorrow. So, we all should love determinism, those of us who like to eat every day. And scientists love it even more. It makes their work possible….. At the lower levels, down in the biology level, and chemistry level, and atomic level, determinism is a very useful thing. Determinism is a name for the ability of science to sometimes predict what is going to happen. Because of determinism both nature and science are never whimsical, and always consistent. Determinism looks real good in the lower levels but up here at the top level, it seems to be a problem. The same way it can push atoms around it seems that it can push US around also! And who wants to get pushed around? So, determinism is a friend when it’s confined to the lower levels of mindless atoms and cells, but up here at our level it’s an enemy that not only threatens to bend our wills and desires, it even presents an existential threat to us. If determinism threatens the reality of our will down to the details of what we WILL TO THINK NEXT, then what’s left to be us? Are we just wet robots? Who’s driving the bus? You or your atoms? At every level below our top level of free will our microscopic parts (all of them, all the time) blindly and accurately follow laws of Biology, laws of Chemistry, laws of Physics. Atoms determine molecular behavior, molecules determine nerve cell behavior, nerve cells determine the muscle cell behavior. */*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/* */*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/* */*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/* Quantum Considerations How it happened, that Quantum Mechanics was completely dismissed from my considerations is a very long story. I’ll try several levels of abbreviation. I originally wanted this exotic and difficult topic to help me find a way around determinism. Nearly all my adult life I had searched hard to find this, but I failed. Everyone else, that I looked up to in this, failed also. That’s the super-short story. */*/* Now for detail, if anyone wants to know. When I first heard of the battle between determinism and free will it was around my Senior year of High School, as I studied Elementary Physics. It was a big shock and I thought about it deeply. I remember it well, first encountered this epic struggle. It involved simple determinism, not much more complicated than the NYC train example at the beginning of this chapter. When I saw what it meant for the human brain and mind I literally trembled, the youthful lad that I was. It strongly motivated me to find anything to assist me in fighting this Fierce Foe of Determinism! I looked for tools and science writers to assist me in finding determinism relief, and it took me down many a dead end in the process. FASCINATING dead ends they all were! But they NEVER got me satisfaction on free will. */*/* Erwin Schrodinger wrote a tiny booklet in 1944 titled “What Is Life?” and made expert speculations as to where quantum could help in the areas of life, consciousness, and freewill. My High School Chemistry teacher turned me onto this around 1967, as a way free will can happen in the face of microscopic determinism. From that time on until 2015, I tried to work this quantum randomness angle, and I always looked for current experts who might be taking up this ball and running with it. I’ve also devoured many pop level science writings on it. In 1967 and for the next three decades there seemed to be a lot of promise in quantum that could save free will from determinism. But as those decades progressed, NONE of those writings ever got any farther than Schrodinger’s 1944 level of speculations and the promise. */*/* My relatively recent conclusions are that quantum is overkill for describing the human brain. I now am aware of some much simpler mechanisms that can help explain the mysterious stuff in the brain, and there is far less need to look to quantum for help. But as far as our human machinery goes, I think humans have over-glamorized the human thought processes for centuries. They have, from mere introspection, assumed that magical powers are involved in the human brain. Embedding this idea in our culture for many centuries, the search for these mythical elements hidden in consciousness has led many researchers far astray from the biological reality. I know I did this 50 years ago. It took me decades to slowly see this, and do something about it. */*/* The story gets a little richer, though. Also, while in High School, my Calculus teacher told me about Gödel’s Theorem as possibly being a mathematics analog of quantum’s uncertainty principle. He cautioned me that it was VERY complicated, but that it may offer ways to explain consciousness and free will. He said that Gödel’s Theorem held a lot of promise. The year, again, was 1967. */*/* Fifty years is a lot of time for a story to progress, but it did. It was an exciting adventure searching here and there, pondering it all, and seeking people with whom I could discuss these things. I was an amateur, just reading what I could digest, and keeping my finger on the pulse of the field the best I could. Some years I’d even break out the old calculus texts to help me delve deeper into the math of quantum. There were a number of popular writers in the 70s and 80s that brought up the idea (and the promise) of quantum (and/or Gödel) relief from determinism, but no full-fledged Physicists would spend much time with it. I was on the lookout for them, though. Then, finally in 1989, Roger Penrose, one of the world’s most distinguished Physicists took up this Quest into consciousness. Being world renown as a top Mathematician as well, Penrose ALSO took on the other “determinism relief” hope I had hoped for: Gödel’s Theorem. I waited over 20 years for this, and ate up all he offered for the next several years. */*/* Penrose pumped out two giant books into the 1990s on all this. Both of these books are wonderful. He is a great and authoritative teacher of both quantum and Gödel. It was a vast learning experience for me in quantum math and Gödel math. BUT they went nowhere new on consciousness and free will, and were all speculation and promise for new breakthroughs in the future. I was elated when Penrose started doing this. The entire title of the first book is: “The Emperor's New Mind: Concerning Computers, Minds, and The Laws of Physics” (1989). It was the authoritative pronouncement FROM THE TOP: that there was a lot of promise and hope in quantum and Gödel for determinism relief. It was a high point of my life to see this point made in public by one of the world’s leading scientists. A few year later his next book was on much the same topic… and much the same promise and hope: “Shadows of the Mind: A Search for the Missing Science of Consciousness” (1994). Both books are perfect opportunities to learn lots of math and lots of physics, but for the consciousness part they just run around in circles and say “Maybe next time we'll figure the rest of it all out.” When it was all said and done, all he was able to do with consciousness is point to the future with promise… just like my HS teachers two decades prior. So, Penrose failed, and that was 25 years ago. At that time, he was about the most qualified human to work the consciousness applications for both of these fields, quantum and Gödel. Yet, he really didn't have anything new to say on the subject as far as advancing what I had already found out. He just constructed a beautiful frame around it, and then beefed it up with neon colored paint. There I was in the mid-1990s, only very slowly noticing that Penrose was failing me, because he was so entertaining in the process. By the end of the decade, though, this was coming more and more to my awareness. I also was noticing a lot of intellectual opposition from neuroscience, insisting that Penrose had stepped outside his specialty field, and was not making any sense. This had a gradual effect on me. The next 10 years were relatively fruitless on this front. I was very discouraged, but still learning and poking around for any light. My enthusiasm for quantum relief from determinism was pretty much dead. Similarly, the hopes I had in Gödel’s Theorem were fading fast as I got more technical understanding of what it was all about. All these topics were very beautiful in themselves, but useless for explaining free will and the mind. So, about 5 years ago I gave up on finding any help from quantum and Gödel for Free Will. It was about then that some other areas of research brought me to consider the new paths that eventually led to minFW. Determinism manipulations, like what sailboats do, brought up whole new ways of thinking. I gradually started seeing that some small but useful, new kinds of freedoms can be “extracted” out of the deterministic world, and soon it was a whole new world for me to explore. */*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/* */*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/* */*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/* There DEFINITELY is determinism in Quantum, but it is modified. Just a quick overview of what Quantum does: Mostly, it describes, predicts, and explains how atoms work and stick together. That’s the super short story. */*/* The longer story gets very involved; this world of sticky atoms. It involves how each element is stable, and for how long. Another thing quantum works well with are details like how strongly certain atoms stick together, and at what angles. When atoms are heated up they glow, each element glows with its own signature set of colors. This in itself is a marvel that quantum works well with. Another marvel of quantum is when light shines on atoms, each element responds differently, again according to its own element’s color-signature. Quantum math, where it is workable so far, can explain portions of these details, and when it does, it’s the most numerically accurate and precise thing any science has accomplished so far, by far. Quantum accuracy is astoundingly high. But, actually solving the math is a huge barrier, because it is so complicated. Here’s another amazing thing about Quantum. Though it is difficult to solve the equations, when people do succeed in solving them, the numerical predictions they have made have NEVER been found to be wrong in a laboratory. Not yet, anyways. Where Quantum is successful, it is VERY successful! After that it describes why certain atomic nuclei are stable and why, and stuff about other things nuclear, and far, far removed from everyday life. It’s mostly only the sticky atoms and glowing atoms that we run into in living everyday life. All of these quantum things take place in a world very tiny and very far removed from the world of single neuron. The world of a single neuron is very tiny and very far removed from the large world of a brain that houses any kind, type, brand, model, or theory of free wills and not-so-free wills. */*/* Determinism gets a makeover in quantum for some things, some of the time. For instance, in the Hydrogen atom, the exact position of the electron is not nailed down (or determined) in Quantum like it is in Newtonian Mechanics (and that train headed out of NYC). Instead of the electrons having an exact position, an electron “cloud” is imagined. It describes the LIKELINESS of an electron being at such and such a position in the Hydrogen atom. But no one in real life ever needs to know about exact electron positions. It’s how atoms stick together that that affects us through Chemistry. Quantum helps Chemists in their manipulations of atoms by telling them about the energy levels of the electron clouds, and their shapes. The shapes of these electron clouds are DETERMINED by the Schrödinger Equation. The shapes of some of these electron clouds or shells are quite exotic. Each shell has its own energy level, and the electrons are thought of as “smeared” around the whole shell, with indeterminate location. But the energy level of each shell is completely DETERMINED by the Schrödinger Equation. There is plenty of determinism in Quantum; modified for some parameters. It seems that ALL of the quantum indeterminacy gets smoothed or filtered out once larger items, like molecules and cells, are considered. Quantum helps explain chemistry and chemical reactions. Free will is up on a level much higher than atoms. It takes many atoms to make a brain cell, and many brain cells to get something organized enough to house a “will.” */*/* Most of the quirks of quantum determinism filter out SO WELL in the macro world that a potential Nobel Prize always is looming for the first laboratory Physicist who can show any kind of MACRO manifestation of quantum weirdness. Most of that weirdness is filtered out by the noise in the world, and what we deal with most of the time is very noisy and very Newtonian. */*/* Quantum can explain all kinds of complicated atomic situations. It could be involved in lots of the brain's chemical interactions, but where I wanted to find some quantum action was up a few levels higher in the free will vs. determinism paradox. Many others, besides me, have worked on this including some very famous Physicists. We all had great hopes many years ago that quantum would help here also. It didn't. It was all promise and no delivery. What Quantum delivers to free will, at most, is noise. It’s just mere static that has no intelligence behind it. */*/* Quantum helping to explain micro brain chemistry reactions is totally expectable. Quantum explaining macro free will, so far, has been all promise, no delivery. I gave up on it when I saw other, more simple and classical ways to have some freedom. Now I look at quantum and Gödel as overkill, and not needed if there is a simple set of classical forces that can explain our freedom to navigate. Both the brain and sailboats use pretty exotic Classical Physics. To me they both are very mysterious and counter-intuitive, but neither NEEDS to drag in Quantum Mechanics. It's exotic Newtonian determinism that gives mind and sailing their freedoms. */*/* End of Chapter 5
  4. That is not really a definition of determinism, but more an extreme application of it, and a questionable one at best. Not all scientists think of determinism in that way at all. I have been posting entire chapters here from my book on free will versus determinism. The next chapter is totally on determinism. It is the strongest part of all science. If you have ever wondered about free will, try reading some of my chapters here. You might like it. I will give you a much better definition of determinism in my next chapter, soon to be posted.
  5. You mentioned weeks ago that you were wondering about free will versus determinism. So far I have 4 chapters up that say it is a go with determinism AND free will being true, if the definition of free will is modified down to minFW. I am almost ready to post chapter 5 which is on determinism, which is about the strongest thing in all of science and needs no modification.
  6. You are lost in the credential jungle, and avoiding the issue of free will versus determinism. Just show me you can handle the IDEAS in my chapters here, because I don't care about you validating me. Let's just talk about the ideas; unless you are not able to. I'd understand. Free will is the most difficult issue in science these days. Do you care anything about free will and how it works?
  7. I am surprised to hear that because I've been careful to make it line up with those 3 points I mentioned earlier on free will that VPW taught. If you are aware of more items that he taught, and/or that I went against PLEASE be specific. Meanwhile you seem to be distant from the actual ideas in my chapters.
  8. I too saw the formation of culty things like you describe. I'm sure lots of people learned lots of good things in the Corps, and are doing fine now. But I remember in the mid 1980s, how within the Corps was a culty subset. ...those aggressive ones moving their way up the leadership chain. Yeah, that kind of no thinking allowed may have happened too much. But it didn't happen with me. These chapters on free will have only 3 tiny items I listed at the beginning that I got from VPW. All the rest of these chapters I did my own non-TWI thinking, and/or piggybacked on a few others in places, and heavily on Dennett. The Bottom-Up approach to the canon was my own* thinking, outside the TWI box. *remembering no really new ideas; just pieces fitting mostly; all really new good ideas are from God.
  9. I appreciate this, and find it useful. Yes there is a lot I do not cover in my book. I am trying to forge an entirely new approach to free will here. Dennett only went so far with his ideas, and I am trying to add on to them. I am limiting myself to the science oriented community so far in all this. You may nave noticed that on several occasions I come right up to the edge of talking religion, but then halt. Science oriented people, especially the young ones, are not at all interested in the religion angle to free will. I do mention that religion screwed up the definition of free will a thousand years ago by making it too spiritual, but not much else. I am not trying to convert scientist types to PFAL, though that might happen on the side in private with some. In my writing I am showing that there is a new way to think about free will that is rid of the religious trappings and that can be studied in the laboratory.
  10. Thanks again for your encouragement. Since it is Sunday I wanted you to get this notification, for later reading, that I have now posted a few more chapters. I have 4 done now, and only 2 short ones to go.
  11. Minimalistic Free Will Chapter 4 - Origins of minFW ########################## I did my very best to steal as many of Daniel Dennett’s ideas as I possibly could, in formulating this theory on minFW. This was NOT an easy heist, because Dennett, who is world renown for clear explanations, is unusually difficult to understand when it comes to the topic of free will. I have found others with this same complaint. This is an odd and complex story; hence it needs its own chapter. But seriously, I really do want to plead guilty to Attempted Plagiarism of Dennett’s ideas on “free will.” It would actually be a happy day for me, to see page numbers and proof that I succeeded in this attempted piggy-back, in building my theory. What I wrote earlier, in previous chapters about minFW was RICHLY lifted from Daniel Dennett, to the best of my knowledge. I mixed in plenty of tiny pieces from other scientists as well, but not nearly enough to be charged with plagiarism. If I understand him right, then what I wrote I got largely from Dennett, as I’ll explain. I’m pretty sure I succeeded in this theft. I say “pretty” sure because this is an ongoing work. I’m still studying his two books on this, “Elbow Room” and “Freedom Evolves.” Dennett needs to be decoded, IMO, because for decades NO ONE I know has been able to explain in any detail (to me) how his theory on free will works. Just the opposite has often occured: many good thinkers have told me they are baffled by his free will theories. There are various reasons that his FW texts are a bit indecipherable, and I have been documenting their workarounds as I discover them. I want to help, because I’ve slowly seen many points of light in his work. Let me tell you more about this long story with Dennett. */*/* My history with DD’s FW theory goes way back to the mid-1990s when I attempted to read his first edition (1984) of “Elbow Room.” Looking back on that, I see my path with his FW theory over the decades as confused and strewn with misunderstandings and miscommunications. …mostly my fault Nonetheless, Dennett has also guided and helped me along that path as I produced my theory on FW. I did glean many items from his writings, but have not yet fully seen the “big picture” of what he has in print. It is only in recent years that I have found in Dennett’s videos a much clearer presentation on some of the ideas, compared to his books. */*/* I saw Dennett speak at UCSD around 1995 when he was a guest speaker at at the Philosophy Department. He had a bestselling book out at the time, “Consciousness Explained” and everyone had been avidly reading it. The topic of free will did not come up much in that book, but he was so good in explaining things that I wanted to see him and find out more. I wondered if he had worked on free will much. The grad students in attendance that I asked this question of said, “Yeah, he has a book called ‘Elbow Room,’ but nobody understands it.” I got a copy right away. I probably did a much better job of not understanding Elbow Room (ER) than those grad students. …LoL… I did get one thing, though, that totally stuck with me. It’s the subtitle of the book, and some of the references DD made to it in the bewildering text within: “The Varieties of Free Will Worth Wanting” It had not occurred to me then, that there were alternate varieties of free will (FW) out there to compare. Slowly, after that, over the decades I have come to realize that most ideas on free will are tainted by old religion, and then glamorized with modern secular and metaphysical terms, only to be something far removed from actual real life. So, I first started my attempt to “crack the Dennett code” in the mid-1990s, but with minimal success. But quickly, I also did savor the wonderful notion that we should pursue the types of free will in our theorizing that are “worth wanting.” Optimization is a concept that saturates science and math. In more recent years, I learned that people have long sought to describe FW as grand, easy, effortless, democratically distributed to all, and metaphysically glorious. But this isn’t how biology works. Biology makes do brilliantly with less. It occurred to me, finally, to seriously explore the other end and deliberately pursue schemes that don’t have much freedom. I thought this might be a way to avoid the problems with determinism. I briefly explored this bare minimum about 5 years ago, let it incubate, and then went full steam on it more recently. This is pretty much what Dennett has been advocating: ask for less and we might find it. How much FW do we really need? */*/* I thought a simple tweak, as per this hint from Dennett, in the definition of free will, could do wonders. The problems that emerge from classical Libertarian Free Will (LibFW) are not due to the main idea of freedom, but to the extreme nature of the definition’s demands. The tweak would not disrupt the main idea, only eliminate the extravagant expectations of LibFW. The main idea in the everyday YEARNING for free is to possess the ability to steer one’s life better, and to be able to make better decisions. By asking for less freedom than what the old LibFW promises, I thought a new definition of theoretical FW could be useful and robust. I decided to go all the way and look for a crazy bare minimum. It promised to be unexplored territory, almost by its reckless and unglamorous initial look. */*/* How to Understand Dennett Cracking the Dennett code has gone better this past year, in that others have joined me in discussion and research on this. Breakthroughs have occurred. One thing that I started picking up on is that Dennett teases the reader by not letting on where he stands on determinism and on free will in the early chapters of “Elbow Room.” He, instead, catalogs and details just about every OTHER major position philosophers of the past have taken, on all the fundamental ideas involved in free will studies. Just as I was catching on to this, he actually admits to it around Chapter 4 or so. I’ll find the pages sometime soon. In the early chapters of “Elbow Room” Dennett paints intricate and broad pictures of ideas, detail by detail, and it can be overwhelming. Dennett’s ideas display extreme precision and detail, and are roughly similar to the same ideas that I slopped together very quickly in my construction of minFW. I see now why DD slowly and painstakingly paints these pictures. He keeps talking about putting them together later. Meanwhile I am quite humbled at how thorough Dennett is in all this. I’m learning a lot more than I bargained for in this book. But in the mid-1990s, when first exposed to “Elbow Room,” my main pursuit for decades had been finding a way to nullify determinism in order to rescue Libertarian Free Will (LibFW). At that time Roger Penrose was making a big pitch for the same thing. I thought maybe DD had found another way to nullify determinism, which was the WORST possible angle to look at ER from! I’d probably NEVER have gotten wise to the fact that Dennett is solidly in the camp of determinism and solidly against LibFW, from my early readings of ER. He very much avoids landing solidly on any side, except when he quotes or explains others’ explanations for being there. But Dennett’s videos and his clear, frank admissions in them that he is a determinist got me to finally enjoy reading “Elbow Room” and to spot his veiled allegiance to determinism in it. He just doesn’t seem to be up-front and open about this in print. So, if I read him right, in Dennett’s preferred and most worthily wanted FW, each and every performance is robotic, or deterministic, and ZERO free will can be found at the performance’s point on the timeline. I copied this idea, as I perceived it being hinted or suggested, from ER as well as from his other book, “Freedom Evolves.” I’m not finished studying that one yet, either. It took me years to get to this. That Dennett agrees to this about determinism is a very hard thing to discern in the text of Elbow Room. He is clear as mud on this in writing, but I have to make room for the fact that I am not at all trained in Philosophy. But then also, I remember how professors and grad students I know, STILL to this day, after 25 years, tell me that they don’t understand his writings on FW. HOWEVER, in videos he is clear as a bell on it. So, in Cracking the Dennett Code this determinism base of Dennett’s is Item #1. Dennett’s most-worth-wanting FW theory is 100% deterministic, it does not try to elude or nullify determinism in any way, and it actually USES determinism in order for its mechanisms to function. It is a deterministic mechanism. He says this clearly in videos. Dennett, in his writing, will discuss and describe in great detail ALL that is contrary to this, but there still is NO evasion of determinism up his sleeve. Dennett’s FW (DenFW) is definitely not the same as Libertarian Free Will, but on this point, also, he is hard to pin down. Just ask Sam Harris. */*/*/*/*/*/* Cracking the Dennett Code Item #1 - Pro Determinism, Anti LibFW */*/* Dennett is totally a determinist, and eschews Libertarian FW. His model USES determinism to function; it DEPENDS on determinism. He does not believe LibFW is accurate with our biology. Ditto for me and minFW. */*/*/*/*/*/* Cracking the Dennett Code Item #2 - New Edition to “Elbow Room” This is pretty important. Make sure you have the New Edition of “Elbow Room” from 2015! The first edition of ER from 1984 is almost hopeless, from my dim memories of a few attempted reads in the 1990s. It was from 1991 to 1998 that I hung out with a several grad students focusing on brain studies, and they all said they could not understand Elbow Room. I tried to read it back then a few times, and would always give up half-way through. Sam Harris also can’t understand Dennett. Others in the field are baffled at Dennett’s approach to free will, and I suspect POSSIBLY some of them may have been exposed to only the first edition of Elbow Room. I suspect that SO many of Dennett’s colleagues had difficulty with this book, that after 30 years they finally convinced him to revamp it. (my guess) Making SURE that you have the New Edition (2015) is a primary step to understanding Elbow Room. The New Edition has two prefaces, and the new paperback has an ancient statue with an exposed elbow, the old paperback has a light two-tone gray cover and the image is an abstract background. It’s really easy to order this book on Amazon and get the WRONG edition, because the used book market is flooded with first editions. The first edition was so notoriously dense and hard to understand, that I suspect many people sold or gave away their copies over the decades. */*/*/*/*/*/* Cracking the Dennett Code Item #3 - Timing is Everything The actual TIMING of Dennett’s free will (DenFW) is not when people usually expect it, when they think of “free will.” This unexpected timing was built into the motorcycle analogy in Chapter 2. Dennett seems to argue that DenFW happens in the future. Future considerations happen in his writing often. I have several times seen large sprinklings of future references occur on a series of pages. One such example is pages 4, 5, 6 in ER. In most people’s mind picture of free will they see it “happening” right at the time of performance or choice. But this is contrary to how determinism works, and hence the big debate/paradox. But in Dennett’s model the free will “happens” not at the same point in time as the performance or choice. This is quite baffling, IMO. I can’t say this is clearly stated in the texts, or I’d have the page numbers and quotes right here. This is something I picked up slowly over many years and many chapters of reading. The strange timing that I built into minFW is a primary example of my copying Dennett, AS I perceive him. I can’t yet pinpoint a page or two where he says these things explicitly, but little pieces of it are abundant. I may get down to documenting this someday. (remember: work in progress) In the minFW model, free will “happens” after a failed performance, and before the NEXT successful performance. All the performances in my minFW theory are robotic. I think, Dennett also regards each and every human performance as robotic, and that free will shows up when these robotic performances are “steered” or modified in a desired direction. Dennett strictly avoids calling us humans “robots” like I am doing! But I think he is shielding his audience from this shock. In 1984, when he first published ER, I can see reasons for this. It is now time, IMO, to confront and accept our “roboticity” just like we accept our mortality. It’s hard to accept this for our own lives, and it’s hard to for a reader to accept that Dennett is actually even writing such a thing, that the timing of the freedom comes later, in the future. …and that we are deterministic robots. He is very careful NOT to say that, but to imply it profusely. */*/* THE future is something we have no access to. But predictions of the future are possible, and if accurate, can be very valuable to living life. This short 10-minute video below of Dennett shows his orientation to the future. Agents are skilled at avoiding (predicted) future harm and finding (predicted) future benefits. You-Tube title: “Dennett on free will and determinism” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utai74HjPJE */*/* I’m pretty sure this timing thing is big. I’ve not seen anyone talk about it, but many complain of confusion. Dennett’s perspective on timing is odd and unexpected. Everyone is stuck on the idea that Free Will means they can launch into a performance, and NOT be 100% driven by their prior synapse settings. That’s the mind picture everyone has of FW, that we can “rise above” the prior synapse settings RIGHT AWAY, IMMEDIATELY, NOW! Dennett (and I) say you can rise above them, but not immediately. You have to wait on that freedom to show up (maybe) in the NEXT performance. This is harsh. Maybe Dennett softens it too much, and thus camouflages it in the text? I am taking the opposite, the blunt approach. */*/* To Dennett, it’s not the freedom we have NOW to do anything that is important. It’s the freedom to steer a better course into the FUTURE. It’s like “sailboat freedom.” It takes brains and effort, and is NOT magical freedom like “I Dream of Jeannie” nose twitching. This unexpected location of freedom on the timeline, after the performance, I copied into minFW. */*/* So far in my Dennett text travels, page 184 in ER is the clearest expression of Dennett’s vision on FW: “What we want when we want free will is the power to decide our courses of action, and to decide them wisely, in the light of our expectations and desires. We want to be in control of ourselves, and not under the control of others. We want to be agents, capable of initiating, and taking responsibility for, projects and deeds. All this is ours, I have tried to show, as a natural product of our biological endowment, extended and enhanced by our initiation into society. We want, moreover, to have enough elbow room in the world so that when we exercise these powers, it is not always a matter of settling for the only desperate course of action that has a chance of fulfilling our desires.” Does that sound familiar to you? Gulp! It sounds familiar to ME! And I can hear sirens off in the distance. The Plagiarism Police are coming to get me! I used nearly every idea in that paragraph in building minFW. Surely, I’m busted NOW! No one, especially me, suspected that DD had all that in mind when he wrote this (following) brief hint of the above, way earlier on page 60 of ER: “…we can plan in the light of our expectations, and take steps to prevent, avoid, preempt, avert, harness, exploit, or accommodate ourselves to those circumstances.” Dennett’s focus is on the future conforming to expectations or desires, and not the immediate performance that Libertarian FW focuses on. */*/*/*/*/*/* Cracking the Dennett Code Item #4 - Videos Help Though videos were mentioned several times already, there’s still more detail to this Item. The many, many videos of Dennett contain clues as to what he means in his FW books, even if they may not be directly on the topic of FW. These videos have helped me MUCH! There DD can give a much clearer presentation on some of the ideas, compared to his books. He tends to simplify in his vocal mode, while he tends to be detailed in his written mode. In writing he seems to have the goal of being ultra-thorough. I guess that’s one reason he’s a real professional Philosopher. He has rescued me though, via the lighter videos, to a better understanding of the heavier of his writings. The biggest breakthrough from these videos, for me, is his simple admission that he favors a FW mechanism that is 100% deterministic, that it respects determinism. In video format Dennett clearly says that whatever biological mechanism is actually installed in human brains, that mechanism USES determinism to accomplish whatever freedom it enjoys. I wish I had known he was saying this in 1995. I was thinking then, and for decades afterwards, that Dennett had found some clever scheme to elude or avoid determinism. As I read ER back then, I was looking for points he was NOT making, hence some of my massive confusion. So, this is a big key to Dennett: whatever kind of freedom he sees as possible, he ALSO totally embraces regular old, vanilla, scientific determinism, and therefore totally rejects Libertarian Free Will (LibFW). I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating here as I really learned this first in the videos, and THEN I was able to see it (with difficulty) in the texts. I’ve also seen Dennett say in video that consciousness is good and wonderful, but that it is ALSO hyped way beyond what it actually is. He says it’s a large collection of TRICKS that make it look magical. Let’s watch a couple of SHORT videos together: You-Tube title: “Daniel Dennett - What is Free Will?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joCOWaaTj4A This video is only 6 minutes long. …But says a lot! It’s a great summary of many of his ideas. Notice in it that Dennett often refers to the FUTURE to find some freedom. Dennett and I are looking for free will in how humans handle the future. This time element is crucial. Earlier here in Chapter 2, as I explained the mechanics of minFW, you can see frequent mention of performing the “next time.” I wish my past experiences with his “Elbow Room” were this clear, but armed with videos like this, the book is getting clearer all the time. */*/* This next video, below, is also a short six and a half minutes, and also says a lot about determinism being our friend. You-Tube title: “Daniel Dennett Explains Consciousness and Free Will” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Nj_rEqkyQ&list=RDCMUCvQECJukTDE2i6aCoMnS-Vg&start_radio=1&t=67 The notion of minimalization comes out loud and clear in this video. This central theme in my minFW comes straight from Dennett. Maybe, if I say this just the right way, I could cut a plea bargain on my “borrowing” of his ideas? Dennett says that consciousness is good and wonderful, AND REAL, but that it is ALSO hyped way beyond what it actually is. He says it’s a large collection of tricks that make it look magical. Then there’s centuries of literature and song that culturally embed the idea. Consciousness is real, but our descriptions of it for centuries have been over awed by the bag of tricks. */*/* One last video, and this one is longer, so I’ve pinpointed a couple passages’ time stamps. You-Tube title: “Dr. Daniel Dennett - Freedom Evolves: Free Will, Determinism, and Evolution” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg-9k1uAHCo This was a big key for me, at 30:20 timestamp: “Don’t underestimate the power of a simple deterministic world to support innovative, surprising, flexible phenomena.” This corresponds to minFW (and sailboats) using tricky (innovative) determinism to find surprising freedom (flexibility). Then another clear half sentence can be heard at 40:05 timestamp: “…so determinism is your friend not your foe.” This is spoken after a section detailing how determinism can HELP us in our predicting the future, so we are more FREE to navigate the future. */*/*/*/*/*/* Cracking the Dennett Code Item #5 - Third Party Help The Wikipedia article on Elbow Room was detailed and very helpful. I’ll soon look at the wiki on “Freedom Evolves.” Unfortunately, Cliff Notes don’t do Dennett. Are there are others? Facebook groups have been a good place to discuss Dennett’s books. From them I have several friends who are researching with me. Because he is so well known, many other writers have reviewed and critiqued Dennett’s ideas. Many kinds of pooling of efforts on cracking this code have been helpful to me. You can help me here if you know of any good expositors of Dennett. */*/*/*/*/*/* Cracking the Dennett Code Item #6 - Dennett Teases In other contexts, I mention earlier that Dennett teases by not revealing his hand very clearly until late in ER. (This seems less the case in FE.) There seem to be several reasons for this, and some of them have already come up. But after seeing his strategy and his admissions, another piece fell into place from a clue in the Preface to ER. The chapters of that book originally were individual lectures held at Oxford University, famously called the John Locke Lectures. As a guest speaker he surely wanted his audience to attend every lecture. Planning his lectures must have included a strong element of wanting to keep the audience coming back after the first lecture. The best way to do that is to not tell the whole story that first night, but dangle some bait, a teaser to keep interest at its highest. So, the early chapters are very far from explanations of DD’s theory, and instead he spends a lot of time on every other thinker’s approach to free will. He seems to be trying to cover the whole subject, including its historic dead ends. On a completely different perspective about Dennett’s brand of FW, is my guess that he may offer no actual model of how his brand of FW (DenFW) works. Instead of proposing a model that incorporates his brand of DenFW, Dennett seems to merely be discussing the POSSIBILITY of such a model existing. If that’s the case, then I could be coming up with the model. The key to remember with this item is that a reader can’t expect Dennett to QUICKLY lay out a blueprint for making his version of FW happen. On that point I tried my best to differ from him, and bring as early as possible the strange timing aspects of minFW. */*/*/**/*/* Cracking the Dennett Code Item #7 - Robotic Performance Denial What is shocking about Dennett’s FW is that there is ZERO freedom happening at the time of any performance or choice. The thought that some freedom can occur later has never occurred to most readers of Dennett. That all of our performances are 100% determined by the synapses just prior to the performance is a tough idea for anyone who is reading a book on free will to swallow. I think a lot of readers of Dennett simply overlook that this is what Dennett is saying. When they read it, they say to themselves, “I must have heard that wrong,” and they plow on with reading. I think this very thing happened to me in the 1990s with with Dennett’s “Elbow Room.” It’s common in conversation for us to hear someone say something SO OUTLANDISH that we figure we MUST have heard it wrong. This is especially so with someone we normally hear many clear and lucid statements from, like Dennett. Once this “zero freedom at time of performance” is finally communicated to someone, their next thought often is “So, what’s the point of bothering any more to talk of free will, if there is none?” Once this “zero freedom at time of performance” is finally communicated to someone, their next thought often is “So, what’s the point of bothering any more to talk of free will, if there is none?” Be patient. There’s plenty of time for freedom as we prepare for the NEXT performance, and make it better. Remember Item #3 was “Timing is Everything,” and Item #1 was “Determinism Dominates.” Accepting these things is not what most readers are primed for. Dennett’s free will is not the glamorous, instantaneous, effortless, and magical “Free Will” that philosophers have classically desired. His is a new form of freedom. It’s shockingly off-the-beaten-path, and so bland that it’s hidden from sight, even when Dennett points to it. */*/*/*/*/*/* Cracking the Dennett Code Item #8 - Label Confusion The reason I invented different names (minFW, LibFW, BioFW, DenFW) for different free will ideas or theories is simple: I absolutely NEEDED to do it! Why other writers don’t do this I have no idea. There’s no way to keep track of all these things without demarcation, yet authors try and imply, and expect their readers to try and guess what type of specific FW is on the table. As you read Dennett or any other author, try make a note each time the phrase “free will” comes up as to which type it is. Sometimes that phrase is used in a very general sense, and then no prefixes are needed. But as soon as a technical discussion is underway, leaving off identifying prefixes (or other demarcations) is just asking for trouble. This very trouble came up in a well-known debate between Dennett and Sam Harris. (more on this later) There are SO MANY confusing things about FW that I have resorted to descriptive prefixes to keep track of all the different brands of FW that I need to juggle. */*/* As LibFW was losing its way with me about 5 years ago, I stumbled upon this radically NEW type of “free will” and a new model to go with it. It took a while for me to adjust to this completely new orientation, but just these recent years I have started developing it more. I urge patience with this new minFW because I know how difficult it is to change a life-long definition. There have been many times I have gotten confused as I work this new theory, because I accidentally drift over to my old (dead and buried) friend, LibFW. It’s really easy for me to be tracking on my new theory’s definition, and something challenges or distracts me. Then, when I return to what I was working on, it’s replaced with that pesky LibFW (or its ghost) hidden in my thinking, and quickly I go off the rails. It is VERY, VERY easy to accidentally slide the LibFW definition (or mind picture) in whenever “free will” is mentioned. So, I ask readers to be aware of this as I present my new theory, and as they attempt to “crack the Dennett code” and read his books on this. Penciling in my suggested prefixes will help untangle some of Dennett’s text. It will force you to pay closer attention to that key phrase “free will” and figuring out from the context which prefix (if any) is implied will help a lot. */*/*/*/*/*/* Cracking the Dennett Code Item #9 - Dennett’s Bait and Switch Neither Dennett nor Sam Harris use identifying demarcations (like Item #8 demands) for the type of free will they have in mind in their writings, nor when they debate. In this fog of nomenclature, I think Harris is correct in calling Dennett’s arguments a “bait and switch.” After much detective work, I figured out that Dennett’s free will (DenFW) is NOT the same as LibFW, and is deterministic. Harris, on the other hand is a little more up front in declaring that HIS use of the phrase IS very much LibFW. Harris argues against LibFW. They are both in agreement on this, but not very explicitly. So DenFW is completely different from LibFW and Harris is right about the switch. Harris starts out in his booklet titled “Free Will” taking aim at LibFW, and does a pretty good job refuting it. But when they debate, Harris senses that Dennett is arguing not for LibFW at all, but for a strange new “something” that bears no resemblance to classical free will. Though LibFW is crazy, it seems that’s what the phrase FW has come to mean to most intellectuals for centuries. Harris accuses Dennett of bait and switch. Harris charges that Dennett changed the definition of the FW they were debating on. Harris had been practicing on beating to a pulp any LibFW that Dennett would defend, but Dennett had his own DenFW that he was defending. Harris is RIGHT! Dennett pulled a bait-and-switch on him. Harris isn’t looking at the right time in Dennett’s theory, and Dennett hasn’t made that very clear yet, especially in writing, that Harris needs to look later on the timeline (Item #3) for the freedom, the diminished and delayed freedom. */*/* I advise Dennett to plead guilty to the “bait and switch” charge, in order to be more clear, and he should do it by saying SOMETHING like this: “You’re right, Sam. I had a wildly different form of free will up my sleeve that I was debating in favor of, all along. You’re right about the classical form of FW being utterly negated by determinism. Nobody can seriously believe in Libertarian Free Will, so let’s give up on it. Sorry, that I did BAIT you. … Now can we SWITCH to my new form of DenFW? It’s really different! You probably won’t be able to recognize its freedom... at first. …but … Oh! … Just wondering, would you be into sailing? …by any chance?” */*/* In addition to vaguely picking up on Dennett’s ideas from difficult reading expeditions in ER and FE and then videos, Dennett’s debate with Sam Harris was pivotal in many ways for me. So much so, it constitutes my Item #10. */*/*/*/*/*/* Cracking the Dennett Code Item #10 - Dennett-Harris Debate Harris and Dennett THINK they disagree, but they are merely mis-communicating, and emphasizing different things. Both believe in determinism, and both think Libertarian FW is a complete fiction. Harris, in his book “Free Will”, fully accepts regular scientific determinism and vividly demonstrates that determinism leaves no room for Libertarian Free Will. He makes no detailed mention of any other forms of FW, though. Hence, the need would appear to be low, within his book, to demarcate differing brands of FW. But that need arises quickly when he debates Dennett, and at least two varieties are on the table. Harris’ book argument is pretty tight, but he puts a lot of energy into shocking his younger readers with the harshness of determinism on classical FW. I get the impression that many in his intended audience were not Physics majors, but leaning more to Philosophy and Psychology. */*/* I see Sam Harris as too preoccupied with immediate, instantaneous, Real-Time FW to even hear Dennett’s call to browse the timeline. To Harris, anything happening outside that tight time window at the performance is not any kind of valid free will. So, Harris hammers away with the worst-case scenario for those new to determinism, then later on he eases up and says there’s room for some ability to change (with determinism) our repetitive actions by changing the determining factors. His words to this effect are scant. I think he uses the word ability rather than free. */*/* Dennett shows quite murkily that his DenFW is completely different from Libertarian and is an extremely weakened kind of DETERMINISTIC freedom. But Dennett’s style of freedom is SO WEAK that Harris says he is playing bait and switch, that DenFW is not any kind of freedom at all. Harris thinks Dennett’s pre-debate claim is that Libertarian FW is the True Free Will, then protests “bait and switch” when Dennett goes on to describe a worthlessly weak and late form of FW. What I claim is that Harris is right, that DenFW is weak, and late, but Harris is wrong about it being worthless. */*/* Harris is accurate in his refutation of LibFW in his book, but he constantly leaves little loopholes in the text for how a DIFFERENT kind of free will might work. This is how Dennett debates him. I think I imitated Dennett and anti-imitated Harris in building this minFW theory. Harris occasionally throws in, what I consider, mitigation phrases of partial freedom that may be available. But he does not follow up on them. Harris has a pretty tight argument, but so does anyone who can adequately describe determinism. What I noticed while reading his book was a constant occurrence of small items that looked like him maybe making wiggle room for himself. I thought later in the book he was going to come up with some kind of a minimalist free will, like Dennett’s. But that didn’t happen. Then I also saw a couple of points that where I had minor disagreements with him as to how they should be written. As Harris described the determinism dilemma and it’s robbing free will in an example scenario, I kept on thinking that the next time that scenario comes up we’re going to have a little bit of free will. So, I just kept on seeing how I could add on to his refutation. The net result of it all is I believe minFW is totally compatible with Sam Harris and his denial of Libertarian Free Will. I just filled in the holes that he left behind. I’m saying that Dennett and Sam Harris are not contradictory, but complimentary, with a few minor tweaks. I built my minFW as a systematic add-on to Sam Harris book. I was careful to limit my disagreements with him to a few minor sentences, while most of my add-on completely respected what Harris said. PLUS, what I was adding was in keeping with Dennett’s multi-decade influence over me. So, you can call me a Dennett-Harris Compatiblist, maybe. I saw that Harris was very right in refuting the semi-magical definition of FW that pretty well has dominated the thinking world for centuries. But OFTEN it was also obvious to me in certain passages, that he was exaggerating a tiny bit for the drama, and that in many more places I kept noticing a little bit of “wiggle room” in what he was saying. I noted these passages in the margins of my paper copy of his book until I had finished reading, and in that way, Sam Harris handed me a couple dozen tiny platforms on which I could beef up my new and primitive theory of deterministic FW. It was within the “wiggle room” that Harris showed me that I built my theory. So, I significantly beefed up my minFW theory by retrieving all my Sam Harris margin notes. My theory BY DESIGN, is supposed to be a smooth hybrid of BOTH Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris. */*/* Here are some of the notes that I extracted from the Harris book to construct minFW. page 33 “And we know that the brain systems that allow us to reflect upon our experience are different from those involved when we automatically react to stimuli.” Harris here is saying that we can observe our robotic behavior; the two systems are independent. One system performs (robotically) and the other watches the performance (robotically). This is one of the main themes in how I built minFW. */*/* p. 34 “And the fact that our choices depend on prior causes does not mean that they don’t matter. If I had not decided to write this book it wouldn’t have written itself.” Here he is saying choices “matter,” meaning it is important that we NOT STOP TRYING to make better choices the next time, just because our current performance is robotic. */*/* p. 34 “Human choice, therefore is as important as fanciers of free will believe. But the next choice you make will come out of the darkness of prior causes that you, the conscious witness of experience, did not bring into being.” Here I would partially disagree. My take: the next choice you make will come out of TWO sources: the ones you did not bring into being AND the ones you instigated by adjusting your own synapses between PAST performances. */*/* p. 37, 38 “You are not in control of your mind - because you, as a conscious agent, are only part of your mind, living at the mercy of the other parts. You can do what you decide to do - but you cannot decide what you will decide to do. Of course, you can create a framework which certain decisions are more likely than others - you can, for instance, purge your house of all sweets, making it very unlikely you will eat dessert… You can change your life, and yourself, through effort and discipline – but you have whatever capacity for effort you have AT THIS MOMENT…” And then I would YELL at Sam (and write in the margin): “FINISH the story, Sam!” At the NEXT moment, the next performance, you can have a partial say in its outcome if, “through effort and discipline,” you actually succeed to “create a framework which certain decisions are more likely than others.” There Sam Harris almost spells out my whole minFW theory!!! The thing is, his emphasis is WAY off of this tiny freedom, and onto the harshness of determinism. I get the feeling the whole Harris book is written to those undergraduates who are slightly less than Physics 101 savvy. He focuses well and is hard hitting on determinism for those who are less familiar with its rule and authority. He focuses far less on these little loopholes, or this very large loophole on pages, 37, 38. Tricky use of determinism never comes up. */*/* p. 38 “Many people believe that human freedom consists of our ability to do what, upon reflection, we believe we should do - which often means overcoming our short-term desires and following our long-term goals or better judgment. This is certainly an ability that people possess to a greater or lesser degree…” This “ability” that Harris is sure we have is almost word-for-word something that made minFW happen for me. I simply saw the power in this weak ability, if it were allowed to add up via repetitions. */*/* p. 40 “What I will do next, and why, remains, at bottom, a mystery - one that is fully determined by the prior state of the universe and the laws of nature (including the contributions of chance).” I would correct Harris slightly here. What I do next is indeed fully determined by “…the prior state of the universe and the laws of nature…” but let’s not forget that my past operation of minFW is ALSO included in that “state of the universe.” That may be a tiny portion of said state, or it may be a lot. It depends on how successful I've been in my past minFW operations. */*/* p. 40 “We can pursue any line of thought we want - but our choice is the product of prior events that we did not bring into being.” Again! Holy Mackerel! Again, he forgot the tiny feedback we can add to the mix in between performances. Maybe he didn’t include it because many times people fail to apply themselves at this. I included it in minFW, so that we might remember more often to try it. */*/* p. 62 “We need only acknowledge that efforts matter and that people can change. We do not change ourselves, precisely - because we have only ourselves with which to do the changing - but we continually influence, and are influenced by, the world around us and the world within us.” Here Harris gives here the main key in how minFW works: “…but we continually influence…” but he glosses over it. It would be so easy to note here that we can become more and more a dominant influence on ourselves as time goes by, IF we engage in the process with vigor and repetition. */*/* p. 63 “Where people can change, we can demand that they do so.” This is the unfulfilled vacuum of the Harris book: “Where people can change…,” and where minFW rushed in to fill. */*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/ Looking back, I want to tabulate these items that help crack the Dennett code on free will. Item #1 - Pro Determinism, Anti LibFW Item #2 - New Edition to “Elbow Room” Item #3 - Timing is Everything Item #4 - Videos Help Item #5 - Third Party Help Item #6 - Dennett Teases Item #7 - Robotic Performance Denial Item #8 - Label Confusion Item #9 - Dennett’s Bait and Switch Item #10 - Dennett-Harris Debate */*/* end of Chapter 4 addendum: #################### Dennett in the 1970s Realizing this is one thing; learning how to gently explain it to others is another. We need to learn how to accept our roboticity, just like we need to accept our mortality. Both are difficult, but possible. I think this is what Dennett was seeing in the years before he wrote "Elbow Room" (1970s), and he had to be very circuitous about it. The mood of the world at that time was very much opposed to accepting our roboticity. The Moody Blues released their album "On the Threshold of a Dream" at that time (1969) and it opens up with a strong declaration that we are better than robots. If I read Dennett correctly (that we ARE wet robots) he probably had to pull his punches a lot in the 1970s, when he was formulating what eventually became Elbow Room in 1984. The mood of the world at that time was strongly resisting the notion of computers being a part of normal living perspectives. HAL from the 2001 movie was on a LOT OF MINDS. Corbin Project etc All notions of human mechanical-ness were anathema then. I was in my early 20s and remember it well. I remember in 1966 when my HS social studies teacher came in flush red with anger that the electric company sent him a bill that was not typed by humans but by a computer! Many people refused to pay that year! Dennett was formulating his mere mechanistic free will theory during this time. He had to he subtle about how he was going 180 degrees against all cultural wishes. The Moody Blues start their 1969 album “On the Threshold of a Dream” with a poetic protest that humans are NOT robots! First Man: I think... I think I am. Therefore, I am! I think... Establishment: Of course you are, my bright little star... I've miles and miles of files Pretty files of your forefather's fruit And now to suit our great computer *You’re magnetic ink! First Man: I'm more than that I know I am... At least, I think I must be Inner Man: There you go, man Keep as cool as you can Face piles of trials with smiles It riles them to believe That you perceive The web they weave... And keep on thinking free /*/*/*/ *your magnetic ink VERSUS you’re magnetic ink ??? BTW, when that song was written, magnetic ink was a brand-new thing being put on bank checks, and the fonts were shaped oddly to help the crude computers of the day read the numbers. It was an early encroachment of machines into human life, WHICH MANY PEOPLE FELT, and that is why the song lyric above was written that way. It was common then to hate the computer-shaped magnetic ink on personal checkbooks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy20Jo0VVbs&list=PLDE449F761295774B&index=1 Dennett was formulating his minimal theory when this song was the mood of the intellectual world: we are not mechanical. So, he had to keep it discreet. This is all 40 and 50 years ago! LONG before home computers and facial recognition were imaginable, and A.I. and machine learning and, and, ... but the biological truth, the harsh truth, is that we ARE mechanisms. Pretty cool ones, at times. */*/* Next question is can we build some determinism respecting freedoms into our robot pals? ******************* another loose end: What Dennett argues for, theoretically, is the tricky use of determinism in the brain to produce some type (or brand) of weakened freedom. But he doesn’t seem to come up with a “working model” of this brand of free will. Along these lines, I am producing a “working model” of Dennett’s brand of freedom (best I understand it) that uses tricky determinism manipulations. If my model works for the human brain, great! If not, I think it will still work for A.I. and robots. With the two tricky uses of determinism in sailing, each produce a type or brand of freedom. One is partial freedom from wind direction, the other is partial freedom from wind speed. We use determinism in all of science and technology to do all kinds of things for us. Sailing used determinism to produce wind direction freedom 22 centuries ago. Biology ought to be able to use determinism to produce the kinds of freedoms we need for survival… the most worthy-of-wanting brands of free will, that is.
  12. No, once I have had my say, and defended a few times, I move on. It's time to move on now. I'm sure more than one person here has experience with Daniel Dennett, and this next chapter focuses a lot on him.
  13. Good sit-com style joke. I appreciate non-pun jokes, although puns also have their place. Especially when you realize that a P.U.N. is a Play Uh Nwords. As for my expertise in sailing, did you miss the part where I revealed my complete ignorance of sailing, and how I ignored how sail boats worked all my Physics oriented life? It wasn't until about 4 years ago that I first heard that sailboats could go faster than wind speed, and it never dawned on me how "magical" it is that they can go INTO the wind until recent years. I was TOTALLY ignorant on sailboats until just 3 or 4 years ago, when I started learning from those 2 friends. I checked out all my Chapter 2 wording with my friend who writes sailing books and was in the Americas Cup. I don't believe any mistakes slipped through my text with such expert proofreading by my friend, but I could have added something in error after he proofread it. I did not hide my lack of expertise in sailing. I was up front and honest that I was brand new to it. It shouldn't surprise you (it doesn't me) that my wording and my style of describing sailing is juvenile or less than sophisitcated. I actually FEEL like a 10 year old boy who just got a Lionell Train Set for Christmas when I see sailboats now, or hear talk about them. I am AMAZED at sailboat technology and love learning such new things. If you spot any technical sailing errors, please flag them for me, and if you see any very poorly written section, flagging that would also help this poor sailing novice, me.
  14. I am a bit relieved that your suspicions of me hiding something are less serious than I first thought. I am VERY much aware of how we were taught that if a man lies, then he has to remember it, or eventually be found out. I dumped a ton of data here about my participation (and continuing relationships with) with world-class brain scientists. If I was lying about any of that, or hiding great ignorance, then my story would have ooodles of contradictions by now. Especially since I have posted several times here about my UCSD activities, starting with my very first post. It is such a LUXURY to tell the truth. I don't have to check my previous posts for how I lied in the past, because I told the truth. It is SO EASY being honest! Same is true of what I do NOT KNOW. It is just not possible to fake knowledge very long, and it is not fun at all. No, I am well aware of what I am incompetent to understand, and I seek learn there; not fake it. I was ignorant of better handlings of the NT Canon than I saw 50 years ago in the "God is Dead" age. When I sampled your links they were much better than I thought and I changed my position on Top-Down canon approaches. I hope you learned something new, that the Bottom-Up approach can have some surprises in it. If not, we can continue over on that thread sometime soon.
  15. It is not number one, but of course I want to convince people that I have some good knowledge that IF IT IS TRUE. If I don't know about a topic I will either say so or keep quiet about it. My number one goal is to get some certain thing said, and said as well as possible. Once I feel that has been achieved I move on. I feel that the Absent Christ thread is relatively finished. The NT Canon still has some things to post, but I did get my main points out there.
  16. Sure it is really dark stuff if you leave out the light I posted. You need to look at the part of my response where I decided (long ago) to DIFFER from LCM: Here was what you seemed to overlook in my post: We at TWI would sometimes get that attitude that since we had so many pure fixed doctrines, that we in this "household" were superior beings, and those who "tripped out" of the household were scum of the earth, and those without spirit were "empties" and mere beasts. I could see this attitude growing as the years went by. (and did not like it) What I decided to do is respect all humans as either family with spirit, or respect them as possibly future family with spirit. Similarly with heretics: they can someday turn around and come back to like-mindedness.
  17. No, it just seems like that to you sometimes, because you don't see the whole picture. I just handled this issue, and will repeat this response: You have no idea how many points of contention land in my lap every time I post. (1) I cannot handle all of them for the shear volume, plus (2) many are not serious and mere harassing of me. (3) There are also some points I feel way to incompetent to handle, especially in public. (4) Then there are some that are obviously there to distract and get me off a point I am trying to make. (5) Oh and don't forget when do respond to an idea, but it is within a response to someone else and not read by the one stewing in anger for my supposed dodging. So, if you are going to be a self appointed steward of the "Issue Dodging Inventory," please do a thorough job and subtract from your ledger all the items I listed above. Now, can you name one single OUTSTANDING instance of my skirting around an issue? Maybe I'll have time to handle it.
  18. You have no idea how many points of contention land in my lap every time I post. (1) I cannot handle all of them for the shear volume, plus (2) many are not serious and mere harassing of me. (3) There are also some points I feel way to incompetent to handle, especially in public. (4) Then there are some that are obviously there to distract and get me off a point I am trying to make. (5) Oh and don't forget when do respond to an idea, but it is within a response to someone else and not read by the one stewing in anger for my supposed dodging. So, if you are going to be a self appointed steward of the "Issue Dodging Inventory," please do a thorough job and subtract from your ledger all the items I listed above. Now, can you name one single OUTSTANDING instance of my skirting around an issue? Maybe I'll have time to handle it.
  19. You have one point there. It has not occurred to me for years that someone pays for this site to operate. Point taken. But I disagree with your other points. If I were posting dishonest material, lies, or exaggerations you would have a moral point, but I don't do that. If what I post is TRUE, and if that same material undermines some of what others think is the purpose of GSC, then it is moral and right for me to continue. If what I post is FALSE then I am in trouble.
  20. I just did a search on Chapter 2 and found 7 places where "rudder" is mentioned. You might like it more with a second reading? Late edit: there are 6 uses of "rudder" and 2 uses of "keel."
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