Mike

Thanks, Rafael and Larry, for standing up for the greater principle. I really do appreciate it.

Here are some key words Dr often used with reference to one realm or the other: Some of these are obvious, some are subtle. There are some that are still a work in progress, so please, let?s not get all bogged down in the details of which ones should be on the list or not. This is still introductory, and the details will come up again, later. These words, in the PFAL writings, are reserved for emphasizing the spiritual side: divine essentially fervently genuine good honest information just lovely real really true To some degree, some words are paired off so that one emphasizes the natural and the other the spiritual: (please pardon the crude tabulation) ......................................Natural .../... Spiritual ......................................Factual .../... True ...........................................fact .../... truth .....................................analyze .../... ascertain ...................................believing .../... faith ........................................below .../... above .........................................Bible .../... Word of God ................................body&soul .../... spirit ................................corruptible .../... incorruptible .................................countless .../... innumerable .........................earthen vessel .../... treasure ......................................earthly .../... heavenly ...............................everlasting .../... eternal ............................everyday life .../... real, reality ...................................external .../... internal ....................................feelings .../... revelation .........................................finite .../... infinite .........................................flesh .../... spirit .......................................carnal .../... spiritual ...................................anything .../... everything .....immediate prophecy fulfillment .../... ultimate prophecy fulfillment ........................................static .../... dynamic ..................................5-senses .../... spiritual perception ................................forthtelling .../... foretelling ..............................government .../... gift ministries ................................happiness .../... joy .........................................hear .../... see .....................................human .../... divine ...............................immediate .../... ultimate ............................Jesus Christ .../... Christ Jesus .........................................brag .../... glory ..........................................light .../... dark ........................................literal .../... figurative .......................................make .../... create .........................................man .../... Son of God .........................man's viewpoint .../... God's viewpoint .......................................mortal .../... immortal .........................................night .../... day ......................................people .../... man .......................................phileo .../... agape ....................................physical .../... spiritual ......................................reason .../... logic .....................................religion .../... Christianity ..........................religious leader .../... doulos servant ......................................rhema .../... logos ....................................sensual .../... spiritual ................................sentences .../... communication ..........................Simon's cross .../... Jesus' cross ..................................sincerely .../... study/work to rightly divide ..............................Son of man .../... Son of God ..........................................soul .../... spirit .....................................spoken .../... written .....................................surface .../... deep ....................................tangible .../... unseen ..........................................tape .../... book ...................................teaching .../... instruction .................................terrestrial .../... celestial .........................................think .../... know ......................................visible .../... invisible ........................................satan .../... devil ................Gen.1:1 to Rev. 22:21 .../... Genesis to Revelation .....................................opinion .../... right dividing

Hi Exy, It's that HOPE that this is all leading to.

Jesse Joe, The WHY of my posting is out of love and concern for a family of PFAL grads that I learned to regard as very special in the 70's, and that I NOW see as an even greater calling of God than I thought before. If we can see more exactly what went wrong, we can more exactly fix it. Isn't that the deeper purpose of what this place is all about?

Mandii, The meaning of this thread's title is twofold: First, is that there is a teaching that repeatedly appears as a part of many many other teachings. This "sub" teaching pops up everywhere in Dr's teachings, hence the term "ubiquitous." I'll soon be posting a list of some page references. Second, is that this Sub-teaching was so common that we tended to overlook it, pay it no special attention, and hence the term "hidden."

Yanagisawa, I'll try to come up with less attractive thread names in the future, just to help you resist this strange urge to click on them.

Further clarification: The ubiquitiously HIDDEN teaching of VPW is hidden only to those who don't carefully and accurately handle these critical vocabulary words in reading PFAL. Does anyone know where I posted that short list?

WordWolf, You wrote: "These secret messages are mainly about the natural/spiritual realm distinctions." This is NOT what I'm saying. First of all, the "secret messages" angle is not my focus. Yes, I've found and reported on things Dr put in the record that were hidden and meant to be found later. But this thread is not so much about that. Second, the "natural/spiritual realm distinctions" that this thread IS about are THE MANNERS and WAYS Dr used words to communicate this dichotomy. This will be made more clear soon, when I post a list of some of Dr's special vocabulary words that he used to make these distinctions. I already did post such a list, in a very short version, on some long lost past thread. When these special vocabulary words are recognized, then it opens up a better understanding of the PFAL teachings. Many things that Dr said and wrote may be clarified as we get more skilled at recognizing these subtle distinctions. Most of us didn't read the PFAL books with this degree of sharpness. This thread will help those who want to read PFAL again. It will help them get more out of the reading materials. Those who aren't ready to try this are excused with no hard feelings on my part, and you're always welcome back.

Steve, God has blessed us with His Word like it has not been known since the first century. Praise God! VPW is dead. How's that?

MJ, You keep on asking why I post here. I said so in the first two paragraphs of this thread. I'll repeat them here in case you don't read long posts. "Most of what I've been trying to do here at GSC is report new data, things I?ve found in the record that I?ve perceived to be hidden from sight, or not present in our collective memory, or not part of the common discussions between us older grads of PFAL. "This is not data newly thunk up by me, but things I?ve found that I perceive to be absent in the overall discussion of what happened to us in The Way." MJ, I am not here to hurt anyone. I'm trying to help. MJ, may I ask you why YOU come to a thread you know will couse you great hurt? MJ, are YOU on a mission to protect others from me? Like the mission so many others are on here?

The Ubiquitously Hidden Teaching of VPW Table of Contents - Ubiquity Review This is a work in progress. I?ll attempt to get it up to date, and then keep it up to date. Suggestions welcome. ************************************************************* page 1 Table of contents Introduction Specially reserved words in Dr?s vocabulary. ************************************************************* Page 2 ? some foundational background BTMS pages 23-25 - a fundamental, early, and explicit teaching on the dichotomy GMWD page 14 - hidden spiritual meanings coexistent with 5- senses meanings RHST page 27 - Bible in 5-senses realm KJV list of verses http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=3656073772&p=2 ************************************************************* Page 3 ? JC Quota Booster Confused Paul worship Paul worship compared to VPW worship Some odd types of ?mistakes? OLG acronym coined. OMSW p.207-222 - Major Myth Busted - VPW expounds on Lordship of Jesus Christ Our Relationship with Christ vs. the Absent Christ http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=3656073772&p=3 ************************************************************* Page 4 Knowing Christ - the PFAL record that slipped by us. BTMS p.109 - ?Jesus enters into our hearts? JCNG p. 8-9 - Dr?s testimonial to Jesus Christ influence in his life Knowing Christ spiritually vs. spiritual 5-senses knowing http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=3656073772&p=4 ************************************************************* Page 5 Dr?s last teaching at Emporia = master PFAL Balaam?s prophecy http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=3656073772&p=5 ************************************************************* Page 6 Pawtucket?s Principle ?Christ Formed In You? - complete SNS edited transcript Our relationship with Christ AC-1 on becoming the Word Forming Christ within. http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=3656073772&p=6 ************************************************************* Page 7 Philippians 4:5-8 - if there be any virtue... think on these things. http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=3656073772&p=7 ************************************************************* Page 8 Some POP comments and quotes Some neuroscience on forgetting http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=3656073772&p=8 ************************************************************* Page 9 Back to relationships with JC The physically absent Christ The spiritually present Christ http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=3656073772&p=9 ************************************************************* Page 10 OMSW p.26 - using a microscope to examine God?s Word vs. man?s works. Some plagiarism discussion http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...3656073772&p=10 ************************************************************* Page 11 More plagiarism discussion Big build up starts for ?The Love Way? http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...3656073772&p=10 ************************************************** Page 12 Deeper into Natural/Spiritual dichotomy More buildup for ?The Love way? A self like Jesus Christ Jesus Christ like A love self, A Jesus Christ self Jesus Christ men and women ?The Love Way? Parts I & II are posted Jesus Christ learning revelation manifestations ?Close Counterfeits? discussed http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...3656073772&p=12 ************************************************************* Page 13 ?The Love Way? Part III posted Connections between ?Love Way? and ?Christ Formed? discussed http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...3656073772&p=13 ************************************************************* Page 14 lots o debate http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...3656073772&p=14 ************************************************************* Page 15 lots o debate http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...3656073772&p=15 ************************************************************* Page 16 lots o debate http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...3656073772&p=16 ************************************************************* Page 20 Review of thread Mention of two tangential threads with Ubiquity data: ?promises never fulfilled? and ?The Other Six Manifestations...? http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc...1243#4406001243 ************************************************************* Page 1 - bumbyrama?s thread titled: ?promises never fulfilled? Knowing Jesus Christ http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=1226063003&p=1 ************************************************************* Page 2 - bumbyrama?s thread titled: ?promises never fulfilled? Set of stories from a lady who went to High School with Dr. Big Three - Summary Teachings of Dr?s We are to BECOME the Word. First hour of Advanced Class ?79 on ?Becoming the Word? The ?tattered remnants? of God?s Word in the stars. http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=1226063003&p=2 ************************************************************* Page 3 - bumbyrama?s thread titled: ?promises never fulfilled? The ?other six? manifestations Leads to the next thread http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=1226063003&p=3 ************************************************************* Page 1 - Schwaigers thread titled: ?The Other Six Manifestations...? Very detailed discussion of manifestations http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=8506086013&p=1 ************************************************************* Page 2 - Schwaigers thread titled: ?The Other Six Manifestations...? The ?Marble Cake? model the ministry The ?Many Villains? model of the meltdown http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=8506086013&p=2 ************************************************************* Page 3 - Schwaigers thread titled: ?The Other Six Manifestations...? Jesus in the desert learning Jesus Christ?s PRESENT ministry JC Quotas The ?Saving Private Ryan? method of forgiveness http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=8506086013&p=3 ************************************************************* Page 4 - Schwaigers thread titled: ?The Other Six Manifestations...? SIT fluency http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=8506086013&p=4 ************************************************************* Prior to this Ubiquitous thread were several large collections of data and discussion. Some of them are these: ************************************************************* Innies and Outies: all men are liars http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=9376001781&p=1 ************************************************************* Dr's Last Teaching - LOST for 17 Years! http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc...42&m=3516027781 ************************************************************* News Flash! LCM Never Installed Spiritual Leader of The Way! http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=6146048781&p=1 ************************************************************* News Flash For Older Grads! VPW Tried To Warn Us of the Coming Harshness of TWI-2! http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=2096098912&p=1 ************************************************************* Why Does A Mirror Reverse Left and Right But Not Up and Down? http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=4936053912&p=1 ************************************************************* Rafael's Actual Errors in PFAL http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=2726097291&p=1 (long URL) ************************************************************* Larry P2?s Should Mike stop posting his drivel on GS? http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc...6872#8486096872 ************************************************************* Wayfer Not!?s Why Entertain Lovers of PFAL http://www.gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a...=9596037852&p=2 ************************************************************* The Ubiquitously Hidden Teaching of VPW - Introduction Most of what I've been trying to do here at GSC is report new data, things I?ve found in the record that I?ve perceived to be hidden from sight, or not present in our collective memory, or not part of the common discussions between us older grads of PFAL. This is not data newly thunk up by me, but things I?ve found that I perceive to be absent in the overall discussion of what happened to us in The Way. This data is absent or hidden for several different reasons and by several different methods. Sometimes it?s data hidden by the adversary and his many various methods, including memory fading and emotional assault. Sometimes it?s data purposely hidden by Dr under God?s guidance, and intended to be found at a later date. This Ubiquitously Hidden Teaching of Dr?s is of a different nature. This ?hidden? teaching is odd in that it is everywhere present, in ALL of his teachings... just about. Sometimes it?s right out in front, on center stage in a teaching, and in other teachings it?s well hidden and merely implied. This Ubiquitously Hidden Teaching shows up within many, many SNS tapes, book chapters, and magazine articles in differing degrees of complexity and amplitude, kind of like a sub-teaching. A few times it was the teaching of title. One of the ways this Ubiquitously Hidden Teaching can be thought of is as something great that was ?right under our noses? and overlooked as trivial. It was so commonplace we ?looked right through it.? This Ubiquitously Hidden Teaching of Dr?s is his whole style of handling the dichotomy of realms: the Natural/Factual Realm versus the Spiritual/True Realm. It?s the human vs. divine or the flesh vs. spirit deal. I used to think Dr's constant references to this natural-spiritual dichotomy was just show business or religious hype. When Dr would throw around phrases that something was spiritual, I would think it was in the category of window dressing, or flowery phrases that make things look nice. I thought he was basically saying nothing of substance, but appealing to the cultural knee jerk reflexes religious buzz words can stimulate. It seemed to be more in the emotional category than the intellectual. I thought his usage of words like ?spiritual? were often worth ignoring. I DID ignore many of them for years. Then, in 1998 (same time Dr?s Last/Lost Teaching was shown to me) I was finally alerted to this as a MAJOR underlying theme in all of Dr's teachings. As I came back to PFAL and started reading, I began to see this to be the case. I began to see that there were vast areas of Dr's teachings that I had zero handle on. I had ignored and even avoided the most important parts of many of his teachings. This was a very humbling experience. It could have been devastatingly humiliating, had it not been the case that a plethora of good news was also a fundamental part of the data package I stumbled onto in 1998. This gave me a strong motivation to look more and more into the PFAL books, this time with the Ubiquitously Hidden Teaching finally out in the open. As I did this I became even more convinced that I had never really finished receiving ?The Class.? I had taken the class many times, but I hadn?t received it, not all of it. I have since observed this in all other grads, no exceptions. I?ve only slightly brought these things out in previous posts. I?ve hinted and abbreviated on this theme before, but now I?m ready to present more of the bulk of what I?ve found in the record. As this Ubiquitously Hidden Teaching of Dr?s becomes better understood, then older posts where I wanted to bring it up, or tried to bring it up, may be revisited. I have many more notes to draw upon in presenting the foundation of this thread, but I thought I?d post this introduction now, just to get the ball rolling and to get some feedback as well. [This message was edited by Mike on July 04, 2003 at 18:27.]

Larry, The point of Dr teaching "throughly" was how important it is to be careful in reading, NOT English literature and etymology. Maybe you missed that.

Almost every word in a large dictionary has multiple definitions; multiple useages of words are the norm. The reason there are more than one useage of a particular word is because that's how people use that word. To assert that any one person confines and restricts themselves to ONE and only ONE useage of a particular word, leaving all other useages for others, is ludicrous. I reject the notion that Dr’s use of the word “then” in this passage is constricted to the bounds of other places where he uses this same word. [This message was edited by Mike on March 29, 2003 at 8:07.]

The essence of the PFAL passage under discussion is that there was a big contrast between period #2 and period #3. There is no reference or followup on the notion that David's designation as "after God" was newly started in period #3 because that notion (mistaken notion) is NOT being brought up. It's NOT chronology that's being asserted, it's CONTRAST that's being asserted. The mistaken notion of chronology NEVER came up all throught the Seventies and Eighties. NO ONE received the PFAL text that way. It takes researchers who have a pre-determined bias to find, wrench, and twist that passage to make it say chronology. No one ever got misled by this freshly manufactured "error" in the text. [This message was edited by Mike on March 29, 2003 at 8:08.]

Rafael, There is a huge difference between the Bible and The Word of God. This difference is part of the physical/spirtitual dichotomy that has come up at times here in various topics. This dichotomy comes up in MANY of Dr's teachings, but like me for decades, most people have not yet trained themselves to spot these sometimes subtle differences. This dichotomy comes up SO many times in Dr's teachings that I am thinking of a new thread on it. I may call it "The Ubiquitous Teaching of VPW" because it's so everywhere present, but often only in faint hints. Rafael, this difference between the Bible and The Word of God is great, and they cannot be both shoved into the same pidgeonhole. It's essential to dealing with this passage, and even more essential in others. The Bible is in the 5-senses realm. The Bible is the REVEALED Word of God, revealed in the 5-senses realm. The Word of God is spiritual and cannot be understood by the natural man's mind. The Bible, as wonderful as it is, is not as big a deal as The Word of God. The Word of God has always existed, the Bible only existed in God's foreknowledge until written.

Zixar, Regarding David's "then" on page 88 of the PFAL book, we’ve discussed only a small portion so far, but I'm now ready to present more. I'm normally slow moving at these things as a matter of policy, but there’s an additional factor here that delayed me. You may remember that my first reaction to seeing this particular AE a few months ago was one of "What's the problem?" It took me a while to see where you were going with it and why. The topic here is David's heart toward God, not God's to David. God is always love, but David went through some changes. In the overall picture of this topic I see three periods of time and three corresponding conditions of David's heart: . ................ TIME PERIOD.............................DAVID'S CONDITION #1 Before Bathsheba and Uriah .......................after God's own heart #2 During Bathsheba and Uriah...............NOT after God's own heart #3 After Repenting from B & U.........................after God's own heart It says on page 88: “Nathan said, "You are the man." At that moment David recognized the truth of what Nathan was bringing from God and David said, "Well, I am sorry." He turned to God and asked God to forgive him. Then it says in the Word of God that David was a man after God's own heart. He was not after God's heart when he was out fooling around with Bathsheba and having Uriah killed; no, but when he was back in line, David was a man after God's own heart.” Let’s rightly divide what’s written here with respect to the three logical periods I have identified. I’m going to chop this paragraph up a bit. ************************************************************ “Nathan said, "You are the man." At that moment David recognized the truth of what Nathan was bringing from God and David said, "Well, I am sorry." He turned to God and asked God to forgive him........................” This relates the beginning of period #3. ************************************************************ “............................................................................. .........Then it says in the Word of God that David was a man after God's own heart.............” This is the sentence in question. My primary aim is to understand exactly what this sentence means, especially the word “then” which begins the sentence. ************************************************************ “............................................................................. ................... He was not after God's heart when he was out fooling around with Bathsheba and having Uriah killed; no,..................................................................” This refers to period #2. ************************************************************ “.......................................... but when he was back in line, David was a man after God's own heart.” Again, period #3 is referred to here. ************************************************************ Ok, now we can see that periods #2 and #3 are being overtly discussed and contrasted. Period #1 is not mentioned. Some might say period #1 is implied in the sentence in question: “Then it says in the Word of God that David was a man after God's own heart.” However I do not see that at all. I do NOT see this sentence as equivalently saying “Then, after this confession of guilt, it was written in the Bible that David BECAME a man after God's own heart for the first time right then and there.” Why would it say that? What would be the point? Why would Dr want to say that? I can see the point of Dr contrasting #2 and #3 periods. But why would he bend over backwards to make an obscure point involving David not being “after God’s own heart” in period #1? And then, If Dr DID intend to bend over backwards and say that, where’s the follow up? Why would he leave it hanging in mid air and abandon this awkwardly made point? I also see these two sentences as non equivalent in that there’s a difference between “the Word of God” and the Bible. The Word of God is spiritual, eternal, and has existed throughout all time. The Bible had a beginning. There are things not recorded in the Bible that are recorded in the Word of God. Bullinger and others have noted that there are passages where God’s Word is quoted, but it’s a quote NOT of a previously written passage of the Bible, but of a previously SPOKEN passage of the Word of God. Also, logically, there are things that Jesus Christ will say to us at the gathering together, which are not recorded in the KJV, nor the Stevens, nor their originals. I see the sentence in question as simply saying that when period #3 started David experienced a huge change in his heart, and this condition was immediately recognized by God Himself. As soon as David achieved this state of mind, God recorded in The Word Of God “Hey! Great going David! You’re a man after my own heart!” Many years later a similar phrase was a written into the Bible by divine inspiration, and it just so happened to be affixed to period #1. The “then” on page 88 is referring to WHEN the good condition applied to David’s heart, and is NOT referring to when the good condition was written in the Bible nor which period the Bible passage attributed it to. ************************************************************* The error you thought you were pointing out was: “The PFAL book says the condition "after God's own heart" never began until period #3, which would contradict the Bible's saying it began in period #1.” On page 10 of this thread (March 11 at 07:30am) you wrote in harmony with and quoted Rafael thusly: "From Rafael Olmeda's web site on the subject: quote: Error 1, In PFAL, Wierwille writes that David is called "a man after God's own heart" only AFTER the events in II Samuel related to Bathsheba and Uriah." Notice how you and Rafael ADD the word "only" to the mix in the above quote. Take the word “only” out of your phrase “...Wierwille writes that David is called "a man after God's own heart" only AFTER the events...” and your AE falls apart. What you’re basically doing is inserting a hidden “only” into the sentence in question. If Dr wrote: “Only then does it say...” It would begin to be a problem. If you then change “Word of God” to “Bible” then the sentence becomes: “Only then it says in the Bible that David was a man after God's own heart.” Now there would be a definite problem. I just don’t see Dr having written it that way, nor did I EVER read it that way. This is why I had a hard time seeing the problem you were reporting. You have to be bending over backwards to see it your way. You have to WANT to see error in it, and it’s obvious you do want to. I implore you to re-think this through. ************************************************** The PFAL book contrasts period #2 with period #3. God had Dr say it the way he said it to highly contrast the conditions of David's heart in periods #2 and #3. To bring in period #1 would be unnecessary, and would clutter the contrast. There’s no point in bringing in period #1. After I thought this whole thing through I approached an old friend for his perspective. A lot of mastering these books means getting locked onto DOCTOR’S vocabulary and HIS useage of words. We were taught that the written Word came by God giving the inspiration to men using THEIR vocabulary. To some degree, getting to know how Dr spoke and how he used the language will influence a reader in how they may receive this post’s sentence in question. To some degree I qualify as a practicing student-expert in discerning such subtleties in Dr’s use of the language. To that degree I can assure you that Dr was NOT saying in that sentence what you think he was saying. I also want to offer you a higher degree of assurance in this matter than my own mere expertise. That’s why I approached my old friend for his perspective. This person was a grad of PFAL from the mid 1960’s and was a member of Dr’s cabinet in the 1970’s. He also helped Dr edit the PFAL book from the film transcript, and was an editor of the Way Magazine for a time. I figured he’d be a good judge of what Dr was saying in that sentence. We talked several times by phone and e-mail, and I sent him a rough early draft of this post. While we did not see eye-to-eye (yet) on the special status of these books, we did agreed on each essential point of this post. He agreed with me that you folks have read this Apparent Error into page 88, and then blamed it on VPW.

Zixar, TRUCE! Is the food fight over? Is it safe to come out now? I prefer one subject at a time for focus. Instead of food fights, and instead of splattering many topics at once all over, I prefer to ponder these things more deeply. Right now I'm still pondering the "then" on page 88 of PFAL that you have put in bold fonts many many posts ago. It was on page 10, on March 11, at 07:30 hours. Unless it was responded to somewhere in amongst the blueberry pie flinging and the machine gun bursts of canned soggy peas, my question still stands as to why you see Dr's "then" as indicating time in the Biblical account. I see a possibility of the "then" referring to what Dr suggests should be logically recognized next by the student. Do you see where I'm going with this? Would you like it if Dr was proved right here? Or disappointd? This is a little like the questions I've asked before, and then repeated in a paste. They are still unanswered. Would you like it if ALL of these AEs were resolved with some time and effort? Is getting down on Dr a goal in itself? If so, where does it lead?

Can't we all just get along?

Zixar, Here's another angle for Two Minute Wonders to wonder about. What's the difference between: "Then it says in the Word of God" and "Then it is written in the Bible" ??? Did you include this in your two minute analysis?

Zixar, This use of the word “then” intrigues me. After your two minutes with it, did you give it any more thought? Did you see any more angles to view it from? I did. Does Dr’s useage of the word “then” indicate sequence in time or sequence on logic? I’ll be interested in seeing why you latched onto time. Did you notice that nothing is said about before David sinned? Then it says in the Word of God that David was a man after God’s own heart. He was not after God’s heart when he was out fooling around with Bathsheba and having Uriah killed; no, but when he was back in line, David was a man after God’s own heart.

Igotout, I've been repeating over and over here how to "sign up" is as simple as opening the books and reading with meekness. Apply all the keys for right dividing we were taught. If you simply do what Dr told us to do it will start coming together. THEN you can say something like your above post without being facetious. Zixar, I haven't been irrational at all. I've offered lots hints as to how to start working on those apparent errors in PFAL. No one has listened to them. You gave away the error in your methods when you said these "...(errors) which can be proven in under two minutes by simply reading the account.” That simple minded approach is what I refuse to participate in. Do you want me to count the number of times I’ve reported that those kinds of things can take months and years to properly look at? I take years, you take minutes. No thanks. This stuff is too important to me to throw away that easily. Then again, Zixar, how many times did I ask what was going to be your move if I were to quickly solve one of those AEs?? Why does everyone run away from such a simple question? Then again, I asked more than once HOW MANY of the AEs would I have to solve for you before you would see the error of that approach? Why does everyone run away from such a simple question? Two more questions: have you applied ALL the keys we were taught to solve the AEs? How can you KNOW all the keys until you master the material as we were supposed to? You wing it in your criticisms, and then accuse Dr of winging it in his writing. Real rational! I’ve been in the position you are in now for years. I’m not irrational in refusing to return to a state of mind I found to be fruitless and unsound. I rationally discerned this, and I rationally changed my mind. It’s highly repugnant for you to demand I return to something I rationally rejected. I have proved my ability to handle logic here time and time again. Every time you look in a mirror remember this. I wont spend my time and put my focus in the same spiritual gutter you’re looking in. You wont listen to my reasons so I stop offering them in detail. [This message was edited by Mike on March 10, 2003 at 21:44.]

Exy, I don't know anything (yet) about the graves being emptied or when it happens. I do know that mastering PFAL gives us what we need NOW so that we can then see what God's plans are for that last trump. (ICor15) As for MY PLANS, I got to pull myself out of here and go to work.

Garth, There's even STILL more! ...not drugs though

Garth, It's happenING.

Zixar, Some administrations change in a fuzzy way. Like the beginning of the Christ administration: WHEN is it exactly? Christ's conception, his birth, his coming of age, his receiving spirit, his transfiguration ordination, his entering Jerusalem as king? Or the annunciation to Mary? Or the annunciation to John the Baptist's father? The Appearing Administration doesn't begin with the stark revelation of Christ to us. The beginning is when God makes something new available to believe for. Believing is necessary. These new things, such as seeing Christ face to face, require believing. Free will is not suspended at the gathering. We do not get zapped with a perfectly renewed mind, we get taught it, and must believe and act on it. I see the fuzzy beginnings of the new administration barely starting in 1942, then proceeding to 1982, when this 40 year preparation period was completed, and Dr announced it in the record many times. I said MANY times, but no one saw it. I TOLD you I still had some major radical beliefs to unload here. Just wait until I get to THAT thread. Right now, I just want this thread to run past us all one more time, including our family in TWI. So, it doesn't bother me that we're off topic. You all just go ahead and rag on me all you want about what I just said. You'll be assisting me in keeping this most important thread in the eyes of all those, us older grad leaders, who either missed it or blew off this Last/Lost Teaching of Dr. Wierwille. Have fun! I'm going to work for a few hours.