Mike

The plant kingdom has growth life (body). The animal kingdom has growth life plus soul life. The kingdom of man has body, soul and spirit. The kingdom of God is where the ?Christ Formed In You? teaching, posted on an earlier page on this thread, comes into play. The conception of a human can progress through all of these. From conception to birth to receiving pneuma hagion to forming Christ within. Forming Christ within is the perfectly renewed mind. It?s forming Christ?s mind in the soul. This is the stage we didn?t mature to see during Dr?s lifetime. It?s the part of his ubiquitously hidden teaching that was TOTALLY hidden from us. Until now.

Jesus Christ came in the flesh and had a ministry on earth, the 5-senses realm. Now he's in the spiritual realm, in a better or superceding ministry, seated at the right hand of God. ********** Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. [This message was edited by Mike on May 28, 2003 at 4:00.]

Just so that we can get back to the CHOSEN topic of farts, I searched my memory and my postings. Once ?igotout? questioned me about having a degree. I called him on the phone that day and told him I NEVER stated on Grease Spot in any way that I had a degree. Then I posted to the same effect a few days later, just in case anyone else assumed I had a degree. I wanted to up front and totally honest with this, just like everything else. I realize it requires computer savvy to search for these posts on a board like GS with thousands of other posts, but I did put it in the record once, and now twice. Here?s what igotout posted, and then what I posted: **************************************************** ?Mike - now you've done it! Now I am going to start a whole website called "Mikewille". Be warned. You will be outed and exposed. Where did you claim your degree came from? Hmmmmm ... we must look into that for starters.? posted by igotout on March 11, 2003 21:12 on ?Dr?s Last Teaching ? Lost for 17 Years!? page 11 **************************************************** ?When I finished my WOW year in 1983, the WOW vet teaching we got was to maintain the WOW lifestyle. I have done this ever since. It's the reason I clean windows alone with no employees, it's the reason I clean windows instead of finishing my Physics degrees and teaching at the university level. It's the reason I started gently confronting leadership in 1983.? posted by Mike on March 14, 2003 8:34 on ?Why Entertain Lovers of PFAL and VPW???? page 2 **************************************************** I don?t need no stinking credentials! Please pass the beans.

WordWolf, Please recalibrate. My age is 54. I never said I was PAID for research by an institution. You're also jumping to concussions about my places of employment. For the past 23 years I?ve been cleaning windows, as I have stated here on GS. I?ve also worked for institutiuonal pay in the field of electronics up to Sr. technician level at an atom smasher, also avionics, also telephonics, also audio tape, also steam turbines... all without a degree. In the 1990?s I participated in weekly 2 hour small classroom sized meetings for 7 years run by several internationally known scientists. I?m willing to tell you their names on the telephone. [This message was edited by Mike on May 29, 2003 at 19:39.]

I've stated here that I do NOT have a degree. No degree in ANYTHING! This shows how close you both have been paying attention.

No vickles, it was farts in Steve's topic that the guy from the Victorian age, EWB, was appalled at. Remember, this is a rightfully executed derailment of Steve's we're on here.

Well karmicdebt, your kind of ?actual? dialog ain?t the same as my kind of ?actual? dialog. Are you suggesting that you have the monopoly on actuality? I didn?t deny how interesting Steve?s topic was, I studied it for years with great interest, but it?s not the topic I started on this thread, and it won?t help you get out of the spiritual hole you dug yourself into when you rejected this Word that God taught Dr and Dr taught us in written form. And if you think this or my other post was over the top, please let me remind you that I?m in my restrained vacation mode here. I thoroughly expect plenty more derailment when Steve gets back, but when someone is ?appalled? at my derailing Steve?s derailment with the literary equivalent of a loud fart, I have a right to let them know they are dead wrong, just like I?m telling you right now that you are dead wrong. Until we rightly divide in the PFAL writings how Dr utilized certain key words to designate the human-physical perspective from the Godly divine-spiritual perspective, it is the sad case that we have NOT finished taking the class. When we come back to PFAL and DO rightly divide these precious writings this way, THEN we will finally see the treasure of the Godly spiritual perspective that God taught Dr and Dr taught us in written form. [This message was edited by Mike on May 27, 2003 at 0:35.]

Hi EWB, Maybe you need to recalibrate your ?fierce possessiveness? detector. I made my rightful comment that Steve?s thesis was far from what I set out to do here, and then I backed off. If you had been following my saga here in greater detail, you?d have seen the heartfelt plea Ginger Tea made to me to give people a chance to rest a little from my barrage of new information. I agreed with her and have backed off quite a bit lately. Now, these recent posts here of mine have been both in a light hearted area that I think Oakspear and I got a good chuckle from. Fart jokes are an excellent way of discerning just who are the type of uptight pinhead theologians I don?t ever want to take seriously. Breaking wind is a great way to break the ice, so just hold your nose and enjoy the warmth. I also think it totally appropriate for me to have taken this opportunity to show Steve just how it feels to have a train of thought infiltrated with other unrelated trains of thought. I too think some of his points are interesting, but they aren?t going to help us find out what Dr REALLY taught us and that we missed. When it comes to the science of miracles, I have 30 years of research I did in the area of quantum physics INCLUDING THE MATH. It?s real easy to b.s. in this area, but when it gets right down to the Schroedinger Equation the men are separated from the boys. As long as we are to go into this area, I can add Godel?s Theorem as another related area of inquiry that fits in greatly with the truly interesting topics Steve has touched on. Roger Penrose, one of the world?s top mathematicians, wrote a book called ?The Emperor?s New Mind? which delves deeply into this spiritual/physical connection involving Godel and quantum. This book and others like it I have spent many years looking into. I?m VERY familiar with Steve?s topic. I just don?t think it belongs in this thread. If I had the time (lately I don?t), and if I hadn't been in a "back off" mode, I?d have MUCH more aggressively run circles around his derailments and brought the thread right back to my intended focus every time he posted. I know the subject he is posting on MUCH better than he, so I have no doubt in my abilities to do such steering. Because of time and the need too cool it for others here I didn?t. I said my peace once, then backed off. Then I took Oakspear?s cue and cut the cheese with him. I think you need to lighten up and pay better attention to the bigger picture before you criticize me for being fiercely possessive. [This message was edited by Mike on May 27, 2003 at 2:25.]

He who smelt it...

Oakspear, Just try leaning from your sitting position a little to one side, and that'll probably let it out.

Gee! This may be my chance to "steal" back my thread and get it back on the original topic.

alfakat, Calm down there. Things are just getting peaceful.

Howdy.

(...hmmm. The force is strong in this one... and I've got to protect my secret identity at all costs...) Oh! Hello Cool Waters, That's a very lovely dress you're wearing. Did you have to fly all the way to Paris for it? In case you were wondering, I got that term from.... Trigonometry! Yes, that's the ticket. Trigonometry.

Oky Doky Oaky. You talked me into it. I'll graciously allow the tangential discussion, and await my turn to turn to ubiquity.

Steve, There are two arms of flesh I feel you still have too much respect for. One is the scholarly team that has attempted to reconstruct the original scriptures. The other is your own reasoning ability to work with the tools that scholarly team has provided. These same two arms of flesh I too spent some time in trusting, and I was as disappointed as you were as you described your experiences with a few schools of thought. We all have to identify SOME flesh source of God?s Word, and our own understanding of it. I tried the one you have described and was disappointed. I went back to an earlier one that worked better, when I finally realized how much I had drifted for it. It was our trust in the TVT, which differed more and more from PFAL, that was our disappointment in TWI. All my posting is focused on this fact, that we never really got PFAL, not fully. It was quickly watered down and changed in our heads, and we ended up with a close but disappointing counterfeit. I?ve placed my bet, and after 5 years I?m more and more convinced that it is right.

rascal, It's the IMPROPER implimentation of Dr's teachings that gave rise to the vast majority of the problems. May I please have this opinion?

rascal, Do you think the healing is working when people are questioning whether Paul's epistles are of God? Is it legitimate for me (who was also horribly hurt, maybe more than you) to propose a different healing method? Or is the moan and groan method the only one approved?

Cool Waters, Now the epistles of Paul are under question. This happens all over in the world of churchianity. Paul was rejected in the first century and now too. Hey Steve, did you think you were going to inspire this? In my travels I've seen many denominational types who think that Acts and Paul's epistles are not doctrinal. That's just Paul's opinions, they say. It's kind of interesting how this is coming out into the open. Usually it's pretty well hidden, this rejection of Paul.

rascal, Not really. I just thought it would be fun for ME to moan and groan about postings, like it's usually directed at me. I can cull through the clutter later. I sometimes wonder what non-posting readers think who might come here for the topic and are hit with these kinds of distractions. I guess they'll have to wade through it all too.

Oakspear, You mean I have to wait for them to run out gas before I can start cleaning up all this clutter and get back to topic?

Fine, karmicdebt. You and Steve go and start that exciting thread, and I'll (..yawn..) be sure to read it. I'm sure if you're nice to him, Paw will allow you to keep it in this "About the Way" forum, but I suggest you do it quietly so no one else points out it belongs in the Doctrinal forum.

Steve, Well if you want my opinion, I think you?re ignoring Paul?s use of the spiritual physical dichotomy in I Corinthians 15 and many other places. They were Greek people he addressed. They thought that way. God didn?t mind that paradigm one bit at all, and God didn?t give Paul revelation to fight against it. Why are you?

Steve, It may be that many other peoples, pagan peoples, were aware of the physical/spiritual dichotomy, besides the men God revealed details of it to. God will work with the vocabulary of the men He selects to receive His revelations. They, in turn, must somewhat work within the vocabularies of the people they serve. Certainly in our culture, and with almost the same certainty with the ancient Greek culture, there is an easily discernable distinction between observable/measurable entities verses unobservable/immeasurable entities. With Paul and with Victor Paul, God spoke and directed their writings to reflect this dichotomy. It is a useful distinction. Ignoring it, like the TVT did, clouds the ultimate meaning of these revelations. This forum is about what happened in the Way to us and with us. This thread is about what Dr put into the record. Regardless of the correctness of your thesis, I think it belongs in the Doctrinal forum. This thread is in this ?About the Way? forum because I contend and demonstrate that this distinction is something Dr taught and he taught it very often, but like so many things that are right under our noses, it got ignored or misunderstood. This misunderstanding gave rise to many of the problems in The Way. May I suggest that you start a thread of your own so that you can entertain all the people who find this thesis of yours interesting? There are still many more on topic items I'd like to place here when the time is right. [This message was edited by Mike on May 12, 2003 at 15:41.]

Hi nervecurve. I got your private topic weeks after you posted me there. Sorry I missed you. please e-mail me.