Mike

ladycat, This is no place for a delicate flower such as your self. Do you have a Southern accent? You can really get on my good side if you do.

Come back to the books and see how much you missed or forgot.

Mark, The problems you bring up are miniscule when compared to the tattered remnants that so many embrace as pure. There actually is a slight problem with the printings and editions after Dr died. We were taught how to handle such problems. It's not hard.

Steve! and Garth, Every now and then I seem to throw a bone to the dogs. Have at it!

I like beer. :)-->

Mark, I gave him a copy.

Steve!, Trust every word that comes out of the mouth of God. That's PFAL! Trust in man (me, yourself, or any other) and you'll be very disappointed.

Oak, I was pretty cognizant of what I was saying, but in the rush of posting, I admittedly didn't write down all the angles. I want to thank you for helping me in getting it all posted, or at least a more full version of it. And now for my next trick......

P.S. Oak, I have seen some of your belief system as you have posted it. I know you like beer.

Oakspear, Give me a break! I only edit to clarify or correct, not to cover my a-s-s. I see your point, though. I did go a step farther. The reason for that is the very long and active shopping project I did. It was 27 years after I took the class, but befor that I spent some several years with Eastern religions, and before that I did the RC thing up bigtime. There were 11 years where I went to confession every Saturday in a row, and a few Wendesday “emergency” sessions to boot. From MY perspective, if my shopping project didn’t get me to the True God then life is a joke. I did say that I’d do some spectacularly fun things before check out time. This would be the equivalent of “Eat, drink, and be merry for TOMORROW we die” which Paul quoted in I Cor 15 from the Epicureans. So, I combined “I’m willing to go down with the ship” with that even more well known saying. I still think we all do this. I was a bit intense in the way I said it. It was a figure of speech to get your attention. It worked.

Oakspear, It's the equivalent to "I'm willing to go down with the ship." You are doing it too, but just not admitting it, with your belief system. We all do it. There's no alternative.

Oldiesman and WhatTheHay, Isn't it amazing how so many of posers here will slam Dr, and then turn right around and talk of the deceased Ken Barden, or Donnie Fugit, or others like them, as a wonderful men of God who really walked with God, yet completely deny that it was Dr who led them into that lifestyle of love by way of PFAL. I sense a profound degree of denial here. They only do this with the dead, because anyone alive like them would point right back to the Word they learned PFAL as the what gave them such greatness.

Brady, Forgive me! I've got Cant-Stop-Posting-itus. It's not my fault! Everyone here is making me do it. THEY gave me this disease. I think I need some higher power that's right for me and a 12-step program to get healed.

Doze, You wrote: “I certainly do not have a problem with you having a "belief system" that is absolute for you.” I cracked up when I read this. You don’t seem to realize that if a system is absolute only “for me” then it’s NOT ABSOLUTE at all. You are lost in the mumbo jumbo of new age psychobabble. What I mean, and stated, by an absolute system is that it’s absolute FOR EVERYONE. If I were to be convinced that PFAL is only true FOR ME, then I’m ready to check out. This isn’t going to happen, because I put enough time and effort into thoroughly examining PFAL and many alternatives. I’m sure it’s the truth for everyone, and anyone who rejects it is rejecting God and is dead wrong. I know this stand is detestable in the modern world. I believe that God’s Word is truth even if NOBODY believes it. Sound familiar.

Oh Zixar. You're SO earnest!

Go Oldiesman! Go man! Go!

Zixar, Ok I give up. In the rush to post and all the others on my back, I did forget about Poincare. But you forgot about Earnest Mach! Einstein kinda "put it all together" if that reminds you of anything. ;)-->

Steve!, I hope Brady doesn’t mind me sneaking back on. Can you take the blame for this one for me? You wrote: “Hey, Mike - On the thread where you were posting about Ken (my apologies, I forgot his last name), you actually seemed like an okay guy, with normal emotions and everything, and you were even likeable.” That was Ken Barden. Thanks for noticing that I’m an OK guy. I do try to be easy going, and in person I think I have achieved that somewhat, especially in the last several years. I still have more to go, and I try to improve in how I relate to people. However, I am very tough when it comes to the very tough subject of separating truth from error. It’s a ball-buster fer shr. I hate error and how it has hurt us all. I love the people, and tolerate everyone who has error, me included, but when I see a hurtful error I nail it best I can. If someone gets in the way that’s their problem. Later, I try to see if I can help them get over it, but I do not refrain from the error busting if I can do something about it. The post you asked for is in simpatico’s thread on the “Every Picture Tells a Story” forum titled “7th Corps Lead Adventure/ Feb.79 Tinnie, New Mexico” and is mostly on the second page. Ken Barden comes up on all those pages so far. Here’s the URL: http://gscafe.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a=tpc...=7046054155&p=2 Ken was indeed a spectacular man, and was high on the adversary’s hit list. I think of Steven in Acts of the Apostles when I say this.

Brady, My apologies for hijacking this thread. At least I made it a big one for you. ;)--> You can come back now. I'll stop.

Zixar, Ok, you had enough time. In addition to the error (corrected) I made, let me fix your misread. Yes, Michelson-Morely (and others I think) made the measurements, but everyone (in Physics) thought there was something wrong. Lorentz was the boldest with his contraction/dilation hypothesis, but he still maintained the absolutivity of space and time. He merely thought that it was merely our MEASUREMENTS that were affected by the ether wind, not the more basic time and space absolutes. It was Einstein who went the next step and said there is no difference between the root concept of time and the measurement of time. He said that time is that which is measured by clocks, not something in itself, (ditto for space) and that it was “c” that was an independent absolute. The other miscommunication we made here was I committed an ambiguity in my two statements of “Einstein saw” which was clarified by my later addition of the two parenthetical statements. The first “seeing” referred to what he saw in the 1940’s and 50’s in the way society was bastardizing his theory by saying “Everything’s relative.” The second “seeing” referred to what he saw in the years of physical measurements that proceeded him before the turn of the century. With all this in mind, maybe you should reconsider my “distortion” of PFAL.

CoolWaters, No matter you THINK, or post, or delete, I NEVER NEVER NEVER said you should consider leaving your husband. ...or anything LIKE it!

Gads Rafael! Show up when there are 5 people on my back or something!

Goey, Sorry. I'm guilty of a little hyperbole there. It seems you feel a need to nit pick because you have no substantial things to pick at.

IMF, You may be an egotist to think I have the time to devote to every point you make here. Have you ever tried debating with 5 people all at once? Sometimes I gloss over points if I've posted on them many times in the past year.

Zixar, I may be wrong here. I went back and added (in society) and (in Physics) to make it read more accurate. You may have not had a chance to see my edit. Sorry.