Mike

Oldiesman, Alfakat accused me of nit picking, but he didn't seem to see this desperate picking of nits and eating them too that your accusers have employed in accusing you. Not only do your accusers have nothing substantial to criticize you of, they also have nothing substantial to say why they stayed in the ministry so long. Either they got blessed and hence stayed, or they were extremely stupid and stayed. Then, they also lack anything substantial of a positive nature to proclaim of makes up their NEW way of life. ...unless I missed those posts of theirs. When our opponents must resort to such desperate moves, we know we have stumped them.

I've got to go. See you all later.

Mark, I feel you’re baiting me, and I’ve given you enough time in the past. Get honest and search out all my 1900 posts for your answers. If you want to convince me of your humility and readiness to learn from me, then send me your phone number. I can be convinced if you really want to learn, but so far you’ve convinced me of the exact opposite. I don’t have time to waste on your games. I feel I should spend time with other posters here.

Arthur Koestler was one of the most intellectual giants of the 20the century. Anyone know of or read any other works by him? I just found a first edition of “Sleep Walkers” at the Salvation Army for one dollar while searching for PFAL books. Does his name ring a bell here at all? Anyone? No fair Googling. memories... memories...

vickles, I hear you. I’m not trying to get tough with you here. I've been careful. I know that there are lots of pitfalls in what I do, but it seems others think they're safe in nudging up to tradition and what others are doing. That safety is illusory. All of life is a risk, and we have to do the best we can, paying attention to as many details as possible, and walking in love as much as possible. I expect God to correct me where I’m wrong. Have you ever wondered how men like Paul and Moses ventured out far from tradition? It HAD to be scary for them, but what’s the alternative? Your cautions are all valid. I’ve pondered them for many years. I just caution you and everyone here to be just as cautious with what seems safe to you now. We were given something good and wonderful in PFAL, and that adversary threw dog poop all over it. We owe it to ourselves to get some good soap and clean off the negative associations and check out the contents of those books.

vickles, Your "Bible" is not the Bible. You can't find a single Bible anywhere on earth. What you can find are versions of translations of modern reconstructions of ancient fragmented miscopies of the originals. All the idolatrous trust you accuse me of with VPW is happening in your life in spades. You trust the translators, the compilers, the scholars, and many more. Many of them could be very evil, even born again of the wrong seed. There are thousands of them. How many can you even name?

I will be leaving for a while. I can't wait to see how this plays out in my absence.

vickles, Do you mean you can't find it in your KJV, that man made book?

Mark, Go back and read it how I've posted your answer dozens of times. Do you know how to use the Advanced Search features?

alfakat, These are very important distinctions. They are the difference between life and death. Eve thought like you, that the details didn't matter.

viclkes, I posted earlier that it is a VERY SMALL leap from “PFAL is God’s written revealed Word” to “Jesus Christ is very interested in PFAL.” Did you think I was kidding about PFAL being God-breathed?

To alfakat and the team of unfit researchers here, What difference does it make? First of all, the Bible is in the senses world, as printed twice on page 27 of the 7th ed. of RHST, while the Word of God is spiritual and existed before the senses world was created as per John 1:1. *** Let’s look at some more of the differences between the Word of God and the KJV as we were taught, and you and your unfit researchers have forgotten, assuming you got in the first place. PFAL page 127 - 128: “The Bible from which I have been quoting is called the King James Version. It is not the King James translation. If I had the King James translation in my hands, I would have a Bible that is worth a great deal of money as a collector's item. Once a translation has been made from an original text, like the Stephens Text from which the King James was translated, the first copy is called a translation. When scholars begin to rework the translation in any way, it becomes a version. Now I said that no translation, let alone a version, may properly be called the Word of God. As far as anybody knows, there are no original texts in existence today. The oldest dated manuscript is from 464 A.D. and written in Aramaic in Estrangelo script. There are older Aramaic manuscripts written in the Estrangelo script which predate 464 A.D., but these are not Biblical texts. What students or scholars refer to as “originals” really date from 464 A.D. and later. These manuscripts are not originals -- the originals are those which holy men of God wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. At best we have copies of the originals. When I refer to the Word of God, I do not mean a copy or a translation or a version; I mean that Word of God which was originally given by revelation to holy men. Since we have no originals and the oldest manuscripts that we have date back to the fifth century A.D., how can we get back to the authentic prophecy which was given when holy men of God spoke? To get the Word of God out of any translation or out of any version, we have to compare one word with another word and one verse with another verse. We have to study the context of all the verses. If it is the Word of God, then it cannot have a contradiction for God cannot contradict Himself. Error has to be either in the translation or in one’s own understanding. When we get back to that original, God-breathed Word -- which I am confident we can -- then once again we will be able to say with all the authority of the prophets of old, “Thus saith the Lord.”230 We gather information through our five senses from a source or sources outside ourselves. We come to conclusions from our accumulated knowledge, and thus we believe what we believe. Being aware of the process of learning, I came to the conclusion many years ago that for me the Word of God (not the King James Version, but the Word of God which was given when “... holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost”) would be my source for truth. This is my center of reference for learning.” *** Here’s another key passage showing us the difference between KJV and the Word of God. PFAL page 230: We gather information through our five senses from a source or sources outside ourselves. We come to conclusions from our accumulated knowledge, and thus we believe what we believe. Being aware of the process of learning, I came to the conclusion many years ago that for me the Word of God (not the King James Version, but the Word of God which was given when “... holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost”) would be my source for truth. This is my center of reference for learning.

Totally serious. I've already seen him this way more than once.

alfakat, You wrote: “Who taught in what class that 90% of KJV interprets itself right where written??? As for the other 10%, I have had more practice than you know anything about, so you'll just have to excuse me if I don't limit myself to your small, petty view of God Almighty” You committed the Error or Eve in sloppy handling of what we were taught. Here is what we were taught, and in written form: PFAL page 147: “It was a remarkable revelation to us who do Biblical research to discover that the vast majority of the Word of God does interpret itself right where it is written. I would estimate that from Genesis to Revelation 85 to 90 per cent of the Word of God interprets itself in the verse.” You misquoted it, you got it wrong. Your memory botched it. You said “KJV” while Dr wrote: “Word of God.” I know what you’re thinking! What DEEEFERENCE does it make! A lot of difference. Dr accurately handled both of terms along with “Bible” while we all handled them synonymously. We were taught that they are NOT synonymous.

I challenge everyone here to demonstrate how wrong alfakat is on this.

alfakat, You wrote: “Who taught in what class that 90% of KJV interprets itself right where written??? As for the other 10%, I have had more practice than you know anything about, so you'll just have to excuse me if I don't limit myself to your small, petty view of God Almighty” Who taught that? Not VPW! Not in the PFAL class!

papajohn, I don’t trust the flawed versions of the Bible that abound. Neither do you if you correct any of the botched verses in them or augment any verses in the margins. My belief is NOT in VPW, but in the God Who gave him the PFAL revelations. Many people here post a lot of words. Why single me out? I am honest and up front about my closed mind on these matters. Why don’t you criticize them for their closed minds as they pose and posture themselves as having an open mind. The earlier post by WhatTheHay nails them on how they don’t even consider trying out my message for even a second. At least I’m honest in that I have finished shopping, closed my mind like a steel vault, and will not consider any attacks on the integrity of this Word of God’s which He gave to us in PFAL. Do YOU have an open mind to coming back to PFAL?

Paw, did you hear that? Alfakat called me “boy” with a look of condescension on his face! Is that legal? :D--> :)--> ;)--> ***************************************************************** Seriously, alfakat, you don’t see the mind of Christ well enough, in enough accurate detail, to become like him and do all the things he did and greater. Don’t ask me if I do, because I only do to the degree I have mastered the books. I’m working on it. If you are careful, you’ll see that all versions, translations, and modern critical tests, are really just scholarly reconstructions, that sometimes are good, and sometimes not so good. PFAL is the greatest hand of assistance from God to us in 2000 years, and your fear and pride are preventing you from seeing that your present approach has failed for all those who tried it for 2000 years. [This message was edited by Mike on February 03, 2004 at 19:07.]

Pawtucket, That list of ok names to call people might be a good thing for us all to to see. I sort of called IMF777 an egotist. Was that a no-no?

alfakat, I have taken a few breaks. This is hard work. It sometimes is good to give you folks a rest from me too. I’m not too worried about my errors. What’s pure is not me, that’s for sure. I’m an imperfect messenger with a perfect message: “Come back to PFAL and master the written materials” is the main part. The rest is just details and assistance over the many hurdles FOR THOSE WHO WANT IT. There are a few. Even one would be enough, but I see more than ten that I am aware of. Who knows how many are quietly re-opening those books this minute? Who knows how many tomorrow? You wrote: “I myself would not be making jokes about what Lord Jesus will be saying or doing upon his return as King of Kings and Lord of Lords......” If you only knew how much I am NOT joking in some of my statements that look like humor.... someday you will know.... soon I hope. *** You wrote: “A shame you don't take as much time extolling God and His Son as you do vp....vp, at best, was a servant. Why all the hand-wringing over a servant??? Why not uplift the Heir of All Creation?? Why not speak praise of the Majesty on High??” I do sometimes, especially when I get into direct quotes from the books. It’s what you will find within them that will give great glory to God, and enable you to SEE His Son. I can’t do that with my own words with any more surface veracity than all the empty religious formalism that is everywhere today. God complains in the OT about all the people who would mouth all sorts of praises to Him, yet their hearts were far from Him. Where is that? Isa 55 maybe? Look it up. *** You wrote: “My opinion of vp or all he wrought will not advance me one iota in GOD's sight nor will my "ignorance" of said vp detract at ALL from GOD and His Matchless love for me, or you, or anyone else, for that matter. The prize of the high calling is in Christ Jesus the LORD, not you, me, posters at GS or even ole vp wierwille!! ....and you seemingly DO NOT GET THAT!!!!” I do certainly get that. What you do not get is that it’s the BOOKS that give us the ultimate knowledge of what you yearn for. It’s not VPW I am promoting, it’s the God Who gave him revelation that you will find in those books He had Dr print for Him. When you adopt the mind that is in there you will finally be able to jettison your old man nature. The books give us the mind of Christ. . . . Oakspear, I added "with any more surface veracity" to make things more clear. [This message was edited by Mike on February 03, 2004 at 18:48.]

alfakat, This is better that a TV show.

Paw, I was going to add to my "Bravo" post: "And let's not forget Pawtucket. He has allowed this institution to give me a free hand." The reason I did not add it immediately is because I wanted to get the post slot immediately under WhatTheHay. He is probably unaware of all the crap you endure in allowing me here, from the people who fail at directly pressuring me to leave. Your dedication to free speech is admirable. [This message was edited by Mike on February 03, 2004 at 18:37.]

Bravo, WhatTheHay!!! added later: And let's not forget Pawtucket. He has allowed this institution to give me a free hand. His dedication to free speech is quite admirable, all the more because he does not agree with me. [This message was edited by Mike on February 03, 2004 at 18:19.]

CoolWaters, As a person, as a sister, I want to give you maximum respect. As a gesture of that respect, I will not hijack your new thread titled “Dear Mr VPW...” But, because you put it out in public, I will deal with it here. On that thread you posted: “Dear Mr VPW, ...I know you're dead now, but if you can hear me would you please tell me why you didn't stop it all? __ Your prophets preach that you knew for a long time where you went wrong. __ How come you never did anything to undo it all?” CW, if you were to search the records in tapes and books and magazine articles that Dr left behind like I did, you’d see that he tried to do something about it OFTEN. He did this GOD’s way, not your way, not my way, probably not even his own way. He did it with MANY admissions, some of which I have posted here often like “I wish I were the man I know to be.” He did it many other ways too. He often told his top leaders that they were off in many ways, and not merely in copying his own error, although that did seem to happen too. He was told by God to do it in some of his magazine articles and more-so in his “Out Times” editorials. He sometimes couched his terms to get them in print and distributed, so that they can someday be seen. Had he done it out in the open they would not have been received by leadership, nor printed, nor distributed. Someday I will post some of these, and show how some key words were used to refer to top leadership without their knowledge. He did it on many tapes, sometimes buried in the announcements. But the biggest way he set the stage for the big fix, was to put in no uncertain terms, the need for all his leaders and all his students to master the books. When we do this, then WE will be the ones to put the big fix into operation, with God right there energizing us. The kind of fix you yearn for (and I emotionally do at times too) would not have really worked. In fact, it would have done more damage than helping. If he had tried to fix it all with a 5-senses approach and all the apologies in the world, the adversary would have had a field day and the misery would have been sooner and worse, MUCH worse. As is, he did it in such a way that SOME of us are now mastering the books, and more added every month, and with the power God gives us in this pure Word of His, we will see every tear wiped away, and there will be no more memory of the former way. This is a promise of God. ***************************************************************** If anyone sees Brady coming, could you at least give me a head start in skidaddling? [This message was edited by Mike on February 03, 2004 at 18:44.]

Doze, P.S. Every week I go to at least one poetry meeting that's fully stocked with absolute relativists.