Mike

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Groucho, You wrote: “I honestly have to question Mikes motives for bringing this diatribe here. Wierwille was a fraud whose massive ego was "enabled" by people just like Mike who hung on every word of this imposter. Mike...don't you feel foolish?” It's hard for me to comprehend how you can make that many errors in such a short paragraph, but you did! I’ll only handle a few. *** I brought it up because there are still people who never heard of it, and there are people here who have asked why I say it was lost, or who ask HOW it got lost. AND, I was honest about it. *** “Wierwille was a fraud...” Thousands of people today owe him their lives and abundance for what he taught to them, what he brought to them. I am one of them. I doubt if you could bless one hundredth the number of people Dr blessed, and you could NEVER do it as big. Anything you were genuinely defrauded of was done by the devil and because of your stupidity. Get smart! *** “...whose massive ego was...” It is the case that Dr was VERY meek to hear God’s revelations, even when it went against all the structure of life Dr was born into. When was the last time you faced danger in order to bless people who largely don’t care much about you? I’ll bet your ego backed into a corner would be the very monster you think Dr’s is. *** “Wierwille ... was "enabled" by people just like Mike who hung on every word...” Just the opposite. I wouldn’t be surprised if back then YOU were an easy-to-jump-on-the-bandwagon type of person cheering Dr on at live teachings, just like you’re now on this bandwagon jeering him on. The crowd that welcomed Jesus in his triumphant entry into Jerusalem was the same mob yelling “Crucify him!” a week later. Unlike that, back then I was reserved and wished I COULD indulge in the party of enthusiasm in those early years. I envied those who could hear Dr speak and just believe it on the spot. It took me years and years to believe him on many points. I had to do all this checking it out from every angle before I could move on it. I had to do this with almost every single thing in the class. Now I’m glad I did my homework early, because I’m enjoying the rewards early. I saw the kinds of people you mentioned back then, but I wasn’t one of them. Take a discrete poll here and I’ll bet most posters were wild eyed and hanging on his every word. A discrete poll would be hard now, because I have stated how I think it will turn out, and people here want to do anything but prove me right. The people who gave Dr too much trust and adulation are the ones most bitterly disappointed now. It’s like they never saw the verses that warn about trusting in man, but now they know why they were written. *** Now, Groucho, don’t YOU feel foolish? Not yet? It’s coming.

Yes Raf, my error. Thanks. *** Just today I ran into another grad who knew nothing of Dr's last teaching. Of all the smoking guns, this lost teaching is the most telling. It may not be the most sensational, but it and it's loss carry far more important implications. [This message was edited by Mike on March 03, 2004 at 14:56.]

Tom, it kinda looks like you really WANTED it to be dead. Why? Now, Tom, I hope my next move doesn't bother you too much. I'm moving my post on the previous page bottom here, to thios slot, just to make it easier to see by posters today. ************************************************************* ************************************************************* ************************************************************* ************************************************************* ************************************************************* ************************************************************* ************************************************************* So HOW did this teaching get lost in the first place? Howdy folks. I brought this thread back up to the top to add some information to it that has popped up as a need several times. The most recent post questioning HOW did Dr’s last teaching get LOST was posted by dmiller on the “Masters of the Word” thread. I answered him there on February 25, 2004 00:43, but since then I found I needed to add a little more to my response. That will occur here. ************************************************************* The Question: HOW did Dr’s last teaching get lost? The Answer: The history of Dr’s last teaching is rather convoluted. Roughly, here are some details of how it got lost. To those in the know, who were aware of this last teaching, it was lost ON them in that they gave it little regard, did not obey it, and did not pass it on in an effective manner. They regarded it as a minor teaching, and promptly began to forget about it. Let’s call this Category [A]. To those not so much in the know, in the category (including a surprising number of famous names), this teaching somehow slipped by them and they never knew of it’s existence... not until I contacted them, at least. In the past 6 years I have polled 200 to 300 grads, and in the non-Corps population I found that 99% are in category . Almost ALL of the non-Corps population had no idea of the existence of this teaching prior to my publication of it on the internet. In the Corps population I found that approximately 50% were in Category . In the clergy I found about 20% were in Category . Here is the history, briefly: (1)The teaching was given in May 1985 and recorded on tape, and I think, copies of the tape were sold on site at the same time of the gathering, a leadership conference in Scottland. Some more copies of the tape seem to have been made available by Chris Geer, but this may have been much later. (2)Two weeks pass from the teaching date and Dr dies. Two days later a small sound clip of the tape was played on the Corps tape distributed that week, along with a clip of Dr’s second to the last teaching, “The Hope.” Many other items were on that tape, and little to no mention was made of Dr’s final instructions, even though they were contained in the short sound clip. (3)A year and a few months pass, during which some people are reported having listened to the tape, but no stir was made to execute it’s instructions in any organized fashion. However, there was a weird set of a few SNS tapes (I think in the late Spring of ’86) where the Board of Trustees were reading teachings out of the Blue Book. It was pure Twilight Zone material. It seems that they were pretty depressed at this time from their early private hearing of the POP, and they were going through the motions of “getting back to the basics” but their heart was obviously not in it. They sounded depressed on the tapes. They struck me, much later, like a young teenage son who is told he must learn how to make his bed in the morning. Pouting all the way he does a mangled job of it, hoping his parents will withdraw their orders. The tapes were pitiful. I suspect they are the sum total effort of leadership to execute Dr’s final instructions. (4) In the late Summer of 1986 Chris Geer drops the bomb at Corps week, and the Rock’86 is a disaster with everyone’s head spinning as to who is the boss, Craig or Chris. In his POP paper, Chris tells of the circumstances that preceded the teaching. He gives a narrative of Dr’s words and motions all the way up to the teaching, but includes no material FROM the teaching. He merely talked around it. However, he did say that Dr was completely lucid in the teaching. So, the existence of the teaching was once more made known, but not elucidated upon. (5)In this DOWNER atmosphere of the POP confusion, the Way Magazine’s Sep/Oct’86 issue presented a poorly edited version of the last teaching. At the time people were wondering “Who’s driving the bus? Craig or Chris?” Then here comes along a quaint little article by the OLD bus driver. It’s 16 months late, and it seems to be dated, and obsolete, and not pertinent to the situation at hand raging in the ministry. There is no fanfare announcing it in the magazine as Dr’s LAST teaching. It’s status is downplayed with anti-hype and small type. Few readers notice it, as the meltdown had begun by this time. (6) The ministry meltdown proceeds and the lost teaching sinks from everyone’s awareness, giving rise to the statistics I measured, and it languishes obscurely for over ten years ........ I should add here that Chris Geer placed a copy of the magazine article in one of his publications in the late 80's or early 90's, but there was no indication that it was Dr's LAST teaching, and little to no attention was given it that I am aware of. (7) When I was finally shown this teaching in 1998, I tried to show it to many others who were in both (A) and (B) Categories, and I saw right before my eyes the very attitudes that allowed it to be lost in the first place: near complete apathy. (8) In late 1999 I placed a small post in “eph320.com” about finding the lost teaching, and I was deluged with e-mails for the next year. (9) In late 2002 I announced the finding of this lost teaching at the Grease Spot Cafe in this thread. . . . [This message was edited by Mike on March 03, 2004 at 15:12.]

I have moved this post to the next page so it can be seen easier. [This message was edited by Mike on March 03, 2004 at 14:51.]

oldiesman, Bravo! ******* What the Hay, Bravo! . . . . . ...I'm going back to my cage now where I can be reached. As much as I'd like to follow (read&respond) this thread, there just isn't enough time...

..er ...uh HI! Brady. Old pal. Old buddy. Say, that was a long post! I was just tidying up here, and didn't have a chance to read it all. ...um ...stammer... So, who do you think will win the pennant this year?

Colleen me girl, what a beautiful Irish name. I did post on this thread, you feisty lassie.

jezusfreaky, Click on my name over to the left, the one with the bold and color font, and then click on 4th item "View Recent Posts by Mike" There are 10 posts listed since 8:41am Pacific Coast Time.

Because my topic is "About the Way." Why do you want to shove me off in a corner, where the WAYGB is less likely to see my material?

...still groggy. I just woke up from a long night of posting. ..yaaaaaawn... Hey, guys! ( ...and persons) I was hoping that you’d come over to my new thread with all this stuff. ...if not for me, for pooooor Brady. ...gads I hope he isn’t a big guy! I haven’t even checked over there yet... except to see that it wasn’t moved to the “About Mike’s Ego” forum... Thanks Pawtucket. I’m grateful for that. ... and grateful for it not being deleted or edited down to make it a normal size. I realize it may be the biggest thread start in history. I owe you, Paw, for a barrel of cyber ink and reams of cyber paper. ...which means I’ll have to get to work and address most of this stuff here later. I’m still, and always have been, grateful for the opportunity to post here, and even more when I get extreme, like that post’s length. I won’t be doing that again, posting huge continuous pages there, forcing people to develop their PgDn finger muscles. ...still groggy... ...last thing I remember is posting and editing, posting and editing, posting and editing, posting and editing,... and then my ISP broke down, so I continued editing, and editing, and editing on my work processor for later inclusion today. I can’t remember going to bed... just posting ... Hey! ...I’m falling back asleep... dreaming of posting, and posting, and posting. .......Memories merging... drifting off.... no excathedra! Put down that chair! ...no, not on my posts! ...Where did you learn to do all those karate moves? ....no!... I’m sorry... I didn’t mean it.. ...I’ll write out a formal apology ...ok, ok, I’ll use my real blood... just stop hitting me! MOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMY !!!! WOW! what a dream! What are all you posters doing here? ...oh yeah! It’s morning... all I can think of is posts and posts. ...I wonder if my chewing gum lost it’s flavor on the ... I NEED SOME COFFEE! I’ll try to get back for a little posting before I trudge off to the salt mines.

I too liked Mandii's questions and want to get to work with them soon. Check your listings for a new thread premiering soon on a computer screen near you.

Hi Abigail, I'm not angry or upset. Plus, I wasn't angry at you, just firm and tough with your logic. Actually, I’m quite relieved about a few things. When I was away at work I was concerned that my getting tough with excathedra on the “Broken Logic”” thread would have gotten me banned. For hours I was preparing myself to accept that fate. Sorry, Exy. You kinda got in the way over there and I slugged you. I’m glad you took it as well as you did. I can soften everything I said and explain why I said it. However it might be a long thread. Maybe I can break it up into small modules. Believe it or not, what I did say was building up for a long time, AND I believe the content of what I said can be seen in a light of offering help, better help thay you’ve gotten so far. That might take another thread, though. Brady’s going to come back sooner or later, and I wouldn’t want him to interrupt that process.... Hmmmm ...What to do? ...What to do? ...What to do? *** Abigail, It looks like I did get cut off mid-sentence above, so I need to re-construct that post. ...but where? *** I think it's time for me to set up my own, very own, totally mine thread and take care of these and other loose ends. How's about we give this thread back to Brady? That means we’re going to have to sweep the floors, neaten up every thing, wipe away all the mess from food fights, etc. etc. Yeah! Let’s DO it! We’ve got to make this place sparkle, so that when Brady gets back he doesn’t even know we’ve been here. You all know the routine: we’ve got to make this place cleaner and neater than it was before we came in here. Who wants to get out the string and line up all the crooked posts?

Hm hm hum hum hum hm ... wha! OH! Hi there. Uh... I'm not sure what to post... not ready. I didn't know the tape was running, and I'm not quite ready to post...yet. I'll be back soon. [This message was edited by Mike on February 06, 2004 at 0:25.]

CW, I promised to leave, but keep getting dragged back in. Yes, saying “which god?” is a Wayism, but a good one. We should ask ourselves that same question more often. With Exy, it’s not so obvious which God or god told her that. She didn’t have to chime in with that comment of hers, but it’s obvious to many here that she loves her storms and has built an entire persona around them. It COULD have been the True God Who told her that because He sees she is past the point of coming back to PFAL and benefiting from the good stuff. He may have told her that because He has to make alternate, but less-than-His-best, plans to bless the rest of her life. She didn’t have to jump in the middle of what we were saying, but she wanted to stir up your storms, so I gave her a bit of her own “medicine.” Sooner or later all you people will figure it out that you can’t mess with me when I’m ministering. I’m a solid rock and anyone who rams me head-long will get a headache. I really must be going now, so you all can decide if you want storms or calm.

which god?

I accept your decision. Not all of us grads are able to come back just yet. After the first wave us returnees gets totally blessed, you'll find it easier to come back to our loving arms. Right now I'm still mastering it and don't have all the answers for those who were hurt beyond their ability to calm their storms and break their negative associations with the good stuff. But, tomorrow's another day and the Son may shine enough to disburse the clouds. :)--> Maybe you'll be ready then. Like I've said many times to you, take your time.

dizzydog, By the Way, the answer to your question is very simple, even including the solution to the finding that “Word of Truth” problem. The complicated part comes in untangling all the traditional error that hides God’s solution to the loss of the originals of the Bible. That gets

dizzydog, I’ve posted MUCH on what it means to master. It seems you missed it. Do you want me to post it here, again? Do you know how to do the Advanced Search feature? I can post some again, and I will, if you promise to read it carefully. It’s your call. Your analysis is good, but incomplete in the sense that you can’t go to a store and buy a “Word of Truth” book. You can buy a man-breathed attempt to reconstruct that “all truth” which was lost in the first century, but that’s all.

CW, Like posted on another thread of yours, if you allow the storms to subside, and don't stir them back up a lot, then you can come back to the pure PFAL books and straighten it ALL out.

Brady seems to have gotten out of the kitchen when the heat was turned up. Who's Bradshaw?

:)--> Smoooooooooooch! ;)-->

I most certainly DID take my "act" on the road. Ever hear of the Information Superhighway? This is it!

God told me that publically posting my response to you was more than you could handle. I think now even putting it in PT will hurt you, so I will back off totally. I do love you and don't want to see you hurt. I think you have enough to think about, so I'll just say "God bless." When you feel ok to approach me, you are welcome to call and I'll be gentle as ever.

CW, I responded to you by e-mail. Since I'm here, there is no such reference to be find. Things are all merged in your mind. You may be thinking of how David took the show-bread from the temple when he and others were starving. With Paul, the non-giving to him that he deserved motivated him to GET A JOB making tents or saddles. Such merging of items is very telling. Your reaction to Paul is more tdue to what others have said about him than what he writes himself.