Mike

rascal, Ther fruit manifested DOES tell a story. We drifted from the good stuff, got sloppy and ate bad TVT stuff, and manifested bad fruit. As I've mentioned twice before here, you should EXPECT greater evil lurking nearby and close to the greater good. I think we ought to give ANOTHER chance, not to the bad TVT we ate, but to the good books we were given. They once worked well for us until we drifted from them.

dmiller, I think you will find greater significance in Youngs Concordance. Any luck with finding "return" of Christ verses?

Thelema, I agree with you point. I was just softening our condemnation of TWI seeing that the same thing is done all the time everywhere. It's only human what they are doing. If we want them to rise up above the human condition, maybe we could help them by example and by doing the same thing, and rising up above our human frailties. I'm talking about doing something like looking hard for ways to learn how to love our enemies.

rascal, The devil leaves churches relatively alone if they aren't seriously threatening his power, even if they have lots of good times and wholesome emotions flowing there. The reason so much evil was at TWI was BECAUSE so much Word was there to begin with. I said in my previous long post that "When God makes His moves and gives His revelation, the very next day the devil moves in and starts disrupting it wherever he is allowed by inappreciative recipients of God's grace." We helped allow all those evil things to grow in there because we didn't properly followup and master the material we had given to us. We winged it and drifted from the good and abundant Word that was available. The lack of fruit was due to us grads not properly assimilating the Word. Leaders would not have had AS MUCH an opportunity to grow in their evil if we underlings had faced up to it better. That's how Christ's Body should work, where even underlings are important. I say this as both an underling myself who screwed up in not confronting leaders, and also as a minor leader who also screwed up. I'm not saying it was ALL the fault of us underlings, but we contributed. The good fruit was there to the extent that people truly ate the Word and acted on it. It's still there in the books for those who return to them.

Well, it's been over an hour now. Has anyone found a KJV verse that talks about the return of Christ? There's more to this, dmiller, I just want people to do a little searching to verify what I've seen in Youngs first.

Once again I seem to be coming to the defense of TWI, but I feel compelled by the facts, if not the truths. I posted long and hard on Abigail's thread (New TWI Website) dealing with this same TWI website about the difference between a "Free Speech Forum" and a "Focused Speech Forum" and how BOTH are valid and useful entities. I won't go there any more though. There are other issues here on this thread I will address now, yet STILL I will seem to be coming to TWI's defense, and I am in a muted way. Yes, the suppression of the truth and facts can be a very bad thing. SOMETIMES it's good, like with children, but it's usually pretty bad, especially when it's un-enlightened administrators doing it. BUT THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO TWI. NEARLY EVERYONE DOES IT! It is the case that several posters here have lobbied hard to have me banned from expressing my opinions here. It is also the case that other splinter groups engage in the exact same practices of suppression.

Have you ever looked up the word "return" in a Young's Concordance? Try it right now and see what you find.

To Thomas Loy Bumgarner, Vickles, and ex10, The PFAL revelations have been circulating since 1953 when Dr put the WHOLE thing together. Dr taught many who talked to many more for decades. Dr was on the radio on many stations for years. Many of the elements were out there before that 1953 date, but not so together. I'm not surprised that elements of the truths we were taught pop up in various churches and classes. What would surprise me is the appearance of the WHOLE package in a church setting. I've seen churches that know Jesus Christ is not God, but then turn around and assert God sends sicknesses to build us up. I've seen churches that teach consciousness after death comes only by being raised from the dead, but also that SIT is devilish. I've seen churches that teach SIT is wonderful, but that it's God Who decides when we SIT and Who moves our lips, throat and tongue. I'm not interested in a few elements of the PFAL truths being taught along with horrible error. I'm interested in the WHOLE package. If there is some ministry out there that teaches the WHOLE package, then why didn't they align themselves with Dr when he was alive, or why wouldn't they now celebrate finding the PFAL books as wonderful confirmations of their doctrine like Dr did with finding Bullinger half way through his ministry? There aren't any ministries out there that even come close to PFAL! If anything, ministries that once were relatively close to PFAL are now drifting farther away! Look at Geer and CES and how close they once were, but now both have denounced the absolute, sure, and total foreknowledge of God. Even TWI, where the PFAL books are still marketed, has drifted from what Dr taught in heinous ways! When God makes His moves and gives His revelation, the very next day the devil moves in and starts disrupting it wherever he is allowed by inappreciative recipients of God's grace. I've not only seen this in my life, and in the lives of my fellow grads, but it's all through the scriptures. Over and over there were incidents like the golden calf charging in right after God blessed His people. The forsaking of the Apostle Paul by ALL in the first century is the rule. The big difference THIS time is that the accurate copies of the revelation were printed in mass and distributed around the globe before the corruption of the texts could happen. The corruption of us grads, the followers, proceeded right on schedule, but THIS time people started coming back to the revelation before the original generation of recipients died off. We are living in truly unique times! I see it as THE new administration, and so do others who have come back to PFAL. The return of Christ is intimately connected with the Christ in us returning to this Word.

Why are they "great" if they are riddled with the kinds of errors I just listed? Why is their never hearing of PFAL so significant to you? Does fame = truth in your book?

ex10, You don't sound as sure in this recent post. Nearly every church attending person I talk to is pitifully hamstrung on one point after another that we had made crystal clear for us in PFAL. Things like consciousness immediately after death, the trinity, works for the new birth, power dying with the apostles, God sending sicknesses, being held to the Mosaic law, God forcing His will in people's minds, God being a tyrant... the list goes on and on. John Lynn and CES, regardless of their vehement stand against Dr, have admitted in writing (and written in a prominent place) that PFAL delivered a load of God's Word, the size of which that hadn't been seen since the first century. I THINK they printed this on the front page of their ten year anniversary newsletter. I see a real big world of church error out there as the only alternative to PFAL.

Where? where?

This should be no surprise. None of the clergy or higher level leadership were ever skilled at dealing with dissent of differing opinions. This malady is not confined to TWI either. Many posters here have longed for my being banned. May splinter group leaders, even the "nice" ones, are totally unable to be told that they are fundamentally wrong about anything. Most leadership were out of the street witnessing mode long ago, and were always surrounded by flocks who kept quiet about any disagreement. Friendly debate is a difficult skill, and most of the leadership, whether still in TWI or heading a splinter group, run away from any kid of debate. They can't afford to publicly debate and lose an argument before an audience consisting of their flock. They see no profit in debating in private with someone who shows no signs of cracking and giving in to the leader's point of view. Thus they never built the skills. Even ordinary two-way conversation is difficult for many. It's fear. So, John B's experiment showed him that it was more difficult than anticipated to have even a cyber two-way communication situation. Even the great JAL, who had top skills honed when speaking from a podium, has run and hid from scrutiny here. These leadership people will have to be reached by individuals who know the Word and can show them what they missed in PFAL.

Mr Ham, The crisis mode I referred to that was largely over at TWI was the Geer attack on the BOT. From the point of view within TWI, that attack via the POP and then it's 2 year followup, was a genuine crisis. Craig's reaction to that Geer induced crisis was an additional genuine crisis in itself. Both are over.

Mr Ham, I believe the 70's crisis was real. The low point in political morale due to the Viet Nam war, then Watergate, then Carter's wimpout to Iran all made for very tense and fragile times. The y2k "crisis" was a total joke to everyone who knew anything about electronics and microprocessor chips. EVERY SINGLE computerized system in the infrastructure that was suspect to be failure prone when the clocks changed had attached to them what is called a "manual override" for instalation and repair scenarios. That term "manual override" NEVER ONCE appeared in the mass media as far as I am aware of. I suspect that those who knew didn't tell the media because they had lucrative contracts to "protect" the systems. The media too had a vested interest in keeping the fear whipped up. As y2k approached no one in TWI could operate the revelation manifestations accurately and consistently, and were totally dependant on the mass media for their information, not counting the devil spirit revelations that WERE very much available to them. The scare was fake, but did play into their hands as a control vehicle. Just because y2k and any other crisis that came up after 1985 were pretty fake, that doesn't mean the 70's one was fake too.

Mr Hammeroni, If it's any consolation, I think the crisis mode is largely over at TWI, compared to what it was several years ago. It was a great collective panic that was going on from the time the BOT realized Geer had tricked them into thinking he had some answers from God. I had friends working on staff at the time of the POP and after. They said that everyone was looking for the adversaries moles, counterfeits, plants in everyone else, and thinking it was their DUTY to thin that way. Each individual was in a state of terror that someone else would falsely finger THEM as spies for the adversary. It sounded a lot like the McCarthy hearings on communism of the 50's, the nuclear tensions of the 50's and 60's, and even the French reign or terror during their revolution in the 1700's. When people are in a panic, then they do things horribly inefficient, and even terribly cruel things, thinking that it's called for and proper. Every year some nightclub fire somewhere around the world will display this way humans act in panic mode. I think most of TWI's panic mode is over, and there is a chance of some of them realizing EVERYONE got tricked off of PFAL, just in different ways. As they begin to communicate more, this can become more apparent to them. One of the best ways that they can "wake up" is by getting serious about meekly mastering the PFAL collaterals instead of reviewing or dabbling in them. All it takes is one person seeing things in those books, like a Martin Luther, and things can change.

justloafing, I see your post count is up to snuff now. You can still see the movie "Fail Safe." I did NOT give away the ending by a long shot! What I spelled out is the early setup of the plot. The ending gets VERY hairy. Henry Fonda played the President, but it was so many years ago (over 35) that I can't remember anyone else in it. I think it came out right around the same time Stanley Kubrick put out "Dr. Strangelove" which was a comedy (dark, dark comedy) involving the same background: cold war breaking out into full blown nuclear. It was not too long after the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. How many people here remember desk diving and Burt the turtle? I highly recommend renting "Fail Safe" to see the point I've been trying to make here: a good guy getting tricked into being a bad guy, all over a communications glitch. That's why I constantly look for good communication coming from them (and other splinter groups too) to see if there is any chance of THEM sending out a trial balloon of love.

From how little I know John B, I don't think is so much a matter of him being p wipped by leadership as much as he IS leadership of sorts. The vacuum left behind by Craig, and the lack of charisma at HQ, has de-centralized a lot of the leadership, and lots of locals are somewhat taking up the torch of running on their own. So each local area has leaders acting on their old (but somewhat revised after Craig's departure) playbooks, with a weakened role of HQ. The Geer group has gone through much the same thing. ***** That said: I think SOME of the impenetrability of TWI (local or central HQ) is akin to the circled wagons metaphor. But I think an EVEN BETTER metaphor is the movie "Fail Safe." The pilot in that movie was doing everything right according to the playbook. I've mention this before here. It's like they're doing thing by "the book" but can't see that the book is outdated or misapplied. Their intentions are often good, but the have gotten tricked into a deep rut of misapplying them. This happens all the time with people. I've seen it happen to me. It's a social dynamic the adversary often cashes in on all the time, with varying degrees of power and destruction involved. I've heard that the Spanish Inquisition by the RCs hundreds of years ago was similar. The leaders were tricked into thinking that torture of heretics was the loving thing to do, to give them enough of a taste of hell before they died that they JUST MIGHT REPENT from the sin that would surely bring them to the real hell should they not repent. The leaders really started out with good intentions but got tricked into horrible misapplication of the power they had. *** Here is how I've brought up the "Fail Safe" movie three times previous here. I'm too tired to include the dates and people I was responding to in all of these, but if anyone really wants to know I can re-find them all. I was too tired to remember when I was doing this paste up just now. ********************************************************* (1) My position with The Way International is zilch. I try to call them by phone about once every two years just to see where they are at. They are pretty standoffish, but in recent years I sense a bit more willingness to talk. They've been pretty humbled by Craig's situation, but still don't receive well the fact that they too let Dr's last teaching slip right by unobeyed. I only know one person (non-leadership) who will allow me any kind of regular conversation. I witness to the WAYGB here all the time. When I think of lurkers reading my posts I include them. Very much did slip by all of us, and there have been many different kinds of reactions. I sometimes see a similarity between the U.S. pilot in the movie "Fail Safe" and a lot of top leadership both in TWI-2 and all the splinter groups. They were trained to keep on their mission no matter what, but something went wrong in the communications, and they think they are doing the right thing, no matter how much people get hurt in the process. I see the same thing in many of the more prolific posters here. Blind dedication. There was once something that did well bind us ALL together in great love and cooperation, and after ten fruitless and 5 fruitful years of searching out what it was, I post what I post. Someday the first wave of OLGs will come back to PFAL and see the magnificent treasure God placed in there for us. When that happens I believe EVEN the hard hearts in TWI and GSC will melt with love and appreciation. In the meantime, God's mercy is great. ********************************************************* (2) posted May 19, 2004 12:58 My3Cents, Thank you, and I wish the same for you. You wrote: "I don't think Craig's failures were at all typical. They were/are pretty extraordinary." Yes they were not typical or even comparable with ours, but they were still typical for those rare individuals who have THAT much power in their hands. I think if any of us had been given that much power we would have screwed it up even worse than Craig. Like I said, we had differing symptoms from Craig's, but we all had the same end result of not being able to effectively and consistently operate the revelation manifestations, which leads to an inability to operate the impartation manifestations. In this we are in the same boat as Craig. *** You wrote: "But it's common for people with a fundamentalist view of things to see the world as black or white with no variance." Yes again. I was pretty shocked when I re-read the "Fellowship Is the Secret" chapter in TNDC. In there it's very plain that fellowship is NOT a black and white thing, but has many shades of gray in between. The richness or fullness of our fellowship with the Father and His Son are laid out often in that chapter. It was the TVT (Twi's Verbal Tradition) that very starkly portrayed fellowship as either "in" or "out." *** You wrote: "If you believe that people and actions are either "on the word" or "off the word" then there is no room for a whole range of motivations from mistaken, to misguided, to deliberatly evil, to narsacistic." Yes again. I've several times posted here that I see a mental model of Craig and people like Craig being like the pilot in the 60's movie "Fail Safe" in their misapplication of training. Unlike that movie, though, I think Craig can recover from this, even Craig. There IS a way. ********************************************************* (3) You wrote: "As for Rosalie, who cares what she does. The ministry was a money-making scam for the BOT and the sooner it dies, the better off we all will be." I care very much about my family. Rosalie and all those people there have been through a lot. I like to think no evil. I like to think that Rosalie and Co. painted themselves into a corner and are having a hard time recovering. I like to think that they are trying to help people, and are just misguided, just like a lot of grads who post here. You may say that they were mean and nasty, but that happens every day on this board. The horrors we all experienced at TWI were very human, and in no way unique to TWI. All the Corpse Nazi traits I hated in TWI can be seen in poster activity here. I care about people here who are nasty, and I care about Rosalie and TWI people. I think most of the nastiness here and there is due to people having a tough time dealing with all the crap. People get tricked into thinking the nastiness is necessary. Just ask some of those who are nasty to me, and they will tell you they have noble intentions. I often think of the movie "Fail Safe" and see runnaway pilots who think they are acting on their training, but are actually hurting people. When you start caring about your enemies, then you are starting to put on the love of Christ. Anyone can love those who are nice to them, but when we start trying to love our enemies, THEN we are starting to grow. Jesus Christ cares about Rosalie, and so do I. ********************************************************* ********************************************************* ********************************************************* In summary of this metaphor: in the movie the inability of the President and S.A.C. Commanders to get through to the pilot (if my memory is accurate) to stop him from dropping the bomb was due to some kind of radio code glitch? They just couldn't get the right code communicated to the pilot, so the pilot continued on with doing the job as he had been trained. The only way to get through to TWI (as well as to ALL grads hell bent on destruction) is to get the code right: love. The only way to get the love right is to get it straight from the True source of love, God. The only way to get to God is to know His will, his Word... accurately. It's God's ACCURATE Word that defines love. You all know the rest. . . .

Gosh thanks, justloafing! I'm honored that you spent your first post on me! :)--> I'm curious, though, how it is that your post footer says that you have zero posts? Maybe it's just a software glitch. Maybe it will kick up when you post again. Was this actually your first post?

Hi Vickles, We were posting at the same time, and I had arrived at pretty much what you just said. Thanks for the confirmation, though. :)--> Sorry, Mr Ham. I've not read all your posts, and only have studied a small few. I do think we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with devil spirits, and I still see possibilities of recovery in all grads, even TWI.

Mr. Hammeroni, On second thought... maybe I did still have some anger juices flowing in me from my previous post to John B when I posted to you. I'm just trying my best to look for AND FIND anything positive that we can work with to effect ANY kind of reconcilliation between grads. And not just with TWI grads... I feel for Geer grads, CFF, CES, and all the others out there. We really need to unite and get over these difficulties that have plagued us for 20 years now. Might you try to take up this point of view a little?

Mr Ham, You seem to be determined to find any and every negative perspective possible. It's as if you want to NEVER see any kind of reconcilliation EVER take place. Do yo know how negative your posting history is? Do yo have ANYTHING positive to say? Sure, I agree with many of the negatives you document, but why the extreme leaning to that direction and that direction only?

HCW, Aren't you thankful for such considerate posters protecting you from my evil clutches? ;)--> Why if it weren't for them and their insightful warnings I might be able to wrap you around my little finger. ;)--> :D--> :D--> :D--> :D--> :D--> :D--> :D-->

yophoto (aka John B), I hope you appreciate the slack I'm cutting for you here, in spite of how rude and elitist you were with me in our last e-mail discussion. I have had many, many discussions with trinitarians who would cut and run just like you did when something was placed on the table that they couldn't handle. I want to ask you some things here on this thread (please forgive me Abigail ;)-->) about your site, because you have cut me off from any more e-mailing to you privately. (1.) ======= You told me privately that the TWI equivalents of Papal Infallibility (mostly only leadership gets revelation, and they SURELY do get it) and Papal Succession (mantle passing extends the 1942 promise to the recipient along with it's authority) have ended there in TWI and that no one thinks that way any more. I asked you to document this in writing or on tape. Can you? Or is it just your impression that those unwritten doctrines ended in TWI? I said these exact words to you in this context: "I'm glad to hear that this way of thinking is "dead," "gone away," and "deceased forever." Could you show me this in writing? If it's not in writing then I expect it will come back. If it's not in writing and well distributed then many could still think that way. If it is in writing somewhere, it would be a MAJOR breakthrough and something the GreaseSpotters would have to consider. Even if it were only on a tape somewhere, I'd love to see this documented!" . . . (2.) ======= We also discussed MASTERING the written forms of PFAL like Dr told us all to do on numerous occasions (not just his last teaching), as opposed to reviewing it, referring to it, or merely learning it. This sounded like the classic definition of cultism to you, and in that context I said: "I do not recognize their definitions for cult as valid. If Paul or Jesus showed up at their doorstep they'd be branded as cultist. "I perceive that you too are in the grip of traditionalism. I speak of mastering the written forms of PFAL because they are from God. They are the only God-breathed writings we have. Our KJVs are NOT God's Word, but scholarly attempts to re-construct and translate what THEY THINK God's Word originally said. Ditto for the critical Greek texts. "Dr Wierwille said 'Thus saith the Lord' many, many times. I believe him. "If the definition of cultist is one who thinks that God has intervened and given us words more authoritative than the traditional versions of the Bible that are available, then call me a cultist. "If PFAL is not God-breathed, then WHAT IS? "Think about this question. What IS God-breathed in your library right now? What text can you say is bigger than you, must never be changed, and that you need to grow up into? You can't say your Bible, because you need to alter and change that book constantly in you attempts to get it back to the originals. "What is your unalterable standard text? "Dr said that every word he wrote to us is true (TNDC p.34) and that it was not merely him writing, but God (TNDC p.116) Himself, and that his PFAL writings can even be placed in the category of God-breathed (PFAL p.83). Have you worked these pages lately? "The 1942 promise was a lot more than a nudge, it was a total revamping of things. "One reason many grads disobey Dr's final instructions to master PFAL is because they feel that mastery is something they should reserve for God's Word and not for vpw's words. One reason Dr used the word "master" in referring to our needed level of PFAL study is because he knew that PFAL was not of his own doing, but of God's. "For us to try and master our King James versions, and not master PFAL is the height of religion and churchianity. The reason we must not merely learn from the PFAL collaterals, but must actually master them, is because they are not from a man, but are from God." *** So, John B, what's your answer? Have you worked those pages lately? TNDC p.34, and TNDC p.116, and PFAL p.83 ??? . . . (3.) ======= In your snooty "Good bye" letter to me you accused me of many things and afforded me no opportunity to answer your charges. I see in it a lot of residual LCM characteristics in the way you handled yourself. Not only that, but you quoted Rev.22:18-19 five times without allowing any discussion of it. I will now do here what you wanted to prevent me from doing by e-mail. Rev.22:18-19: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: __ And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Have you ever "scratched out" any verses or phrases from your KJV? Does this curse apply to you then seeing you did "take away from the words of the book of this prophecy?" Have you ever added into your reading of a KJV verse in a twig teaching any explanatory information that was not in your KJV? Does this curse apply to YOU because you did surely "add unto these things" in your reading? Have you looked deeper into this verse to see that the word "book" should be translated "scroll" and thus only refer to the book of Revelation? Have you looked at Jeremiah 36 where a scroll of God's Word had "many words added" by the prophet? You see, John B, I agree that no one has the right to add to, subtract from, or change ANY of God's written Word. But God Himself can certainly do this CAN'T HE? If you had bothered to look it up when I cited it, this is exactly what Dr says in the Introduction to the Appendixes in RHST. God can add to His own written Word whenever He wants to. Likewise, He can completely revise the format of His own written Word whenever He sees fit. He did this when He switched from the stars (where it was corrupted) to stone and parchment long ago. He did this when He worked with Dr from 1942 to 1985 in switching His format from the traditional scriptures (which were lost) to PFAL. Your wrong dividing of that verse, and then your cutting and running from further discussion is a part of the kind of behavior that got TWI into a lot of trouble. And don't give me any baloney about Internet etiquette about disclosing private e-mails. I didn't quote you, and I didn't violate any confidence you entrusted to me. You CAN tell me what Internet etiquette says about trashing someone and then not sticking around to hear their defense. If you want to end a conversation that's fine, but to not even give someone the opportunity to have a last word is the height of rudeness. You TWI people have been living in a past world where you could get away with such rudeness. Craig severely under estimated the power of the Internet and it crushed him. The next time you want to trash someone you better stick around a little longer or you might find them showing up for their last word in some unexpected cyber way. All that said, I am not so angry with you that we cannot continue our otherwise refreshing e-mail conversation. I can forgive and forget your indiscretion. I am not into ego battles at all, but it's the contents of what we were told to master that I want to discuss with you. We can continue with our discussion with TNDC p.34, and TNDC p.116, and PFAL p.83 anytime you think you can handle opinions different from yours. After all, they MAY be right and you could benefit from them!

Abigail and Ham, Let's STILL be thankful for the little communication Johb B did afford us. Remember also how last year Harve Platig broke a lot of ice and posted here. I agree these attempts were paultry, but that's compared to the free speech WE are accustomed to. Think of how these small commuications compare, though, to past "reachings out" by TWI and they are huge. Now, just to balance things a little, I'm going to speak my mind directly to John B.

Hi Belle, I'm back with you now. So, I see times when Free Speech forums are good, like here at GSC, where many issues are on the table and there are a lot of confusing events and doctrines from the past that we are sorting through. I see situations where Focused Speech forums, like Rafael's or like John B's has now become, where the discussion is designed to get into the fine details of already settled issues, and not be distracted by issues far removed from the intended focus. If you were taking a Poetry class and some fellow student wanted to bring a lot of high tech Mathematics into the classroom discussion, his "free speech" would be rightly curtailed by the moderator in favor of the intended focus on Poetry. I see situations where an open mind is really important in order to search out the unknowns in a vast universe of ideas. To close a searching mind would mean the search has halted. If there are still vast unknowns not yet considered, this closed mind would be bad. However, I also see that there can be situations where a CLOSED mind may be good. Where finding the gross aspects of an issue has been accomplished, and these aspects have been finally discovered, ending the search is good. At this point, closing the mind to the alternatives to these gross aspects can be a good thing, so that the fine details can be discussed. It is HERE that Craig taught that an open mind is bad. Avoiding the devil spirit implications and complications, surely it's easy to see that once a person learns simple math tables like "16 minus 9 equals 7", opening the mind to possibilities like (16 minus 9) equaling something else will make balancing a checkbook with a bank statement TOTALLY impossible. In summary to your original question, Belle, there are times and places where open AND closed minds are good, and for this thread's topic, there can be good found in website forums where Free Speech AND the not-so-free but Focused Speech are in play. I think we ought not to complain about John B's decision (though likely arm twisted by TWI leadership) to convert his website from free speech to focused. We ALL would love to inject our two cents into TWI and especially it's leadership, but they also should be allowed the freedom to "talk amongst themselves" as they apparently are now doing.