Mike

TaylorCompany, What positive work Dr did for many thousands DWARFS what any of you piled higher and deeper boys can ever do. Paul counted his degree to be but dung so that he might know Christ. Many, many more grads appreciate the accurate work Dr did to teach Christ to them than will ever post here in rejection of that work. Have you seen what Catcup's husband posted here in total contradiction of your erronious assesment of Dr's degree? I can re-post it for you if your ability to learn didn't end with that parchment.

I have something to say to everyone here. Often I get the impression that when I make a point, the common response is NOT to look at the merits of my point, but to predict the effect it will have on other silent readers, innies, or would-be innies. Then the response I get is NOT to the point, but often changing the point, or slurring the point, or anything else that will influence these non-participating readers. If this is the case, I would like to encourage anyone who wants to actually focus solely on the points being made, and not feel a need to put on a display for silent readers, to write me personally. Just write to me, The Teacher at Box 328.... Oops! :o--> Uh... er... sorry, wrong speech... My e-mail is in my profile. Thanks.

Hi rascal, My plans were delayed for this evening, so I have a little more time than I thought. What you just said would be true IF I was promoting evil. The written form of PFAL does NOT promote any of the evil that the TVTs and TWI came to represent. All men deep down are vile natural beasts, even you, even me. You don't seem to see that Jesus came to work NOT for those who superficially follow rules but retain that deep inner vile nature, but for those who recognize the rotten interior and want to change. You're looking on the outer surface, but God looks on the heart that wants to change. Dr sais he wished he was the man he knew to be. If you think you are good deep down inside, you're in for a rude awakening someday. Soften the blow and study the early chapters of Romans. We're all rotten to the core, and some have glossy exteriors. You're focused on the exterior. God looks at the heart.

one last thing rascal, Here's what you slap Jesus in the face over. He worked hard to make THIS available to you: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:12 ¶

no rascal adherence to TVT did that. You have the last words, I need to leave. Later.

Tell that to Jesus as you slap HIM in the face. He said otherwise, but you seem to have totally forgotten that scripture. Shall I quote it for you? And how do yo know the "blessings" are not from the adversary that simply let you alone since you started working for him? He is smarter than you so can trick you... unless you are operating all that Jesus Christ did...

...and remember: the crap you ditched was TVT not PFAL.

For now you may be content, but the end approacheth. But even now, I KNOW you are not rising up to do all the Jesus Christ did. You're missing what God would have you receive.

rascal, If you do what you proposed above, then you would NOT be able to inherit what PFAL promises. I transliterated it for you.

Moses' sin prevented him from entering the promised land, YET it did not prevent him from leading others to it.

rascal, If you do that then you will fail to be the man/woman Dr knew to be.

Twenty years of TVT and broken cisterns are SUPPOSED to yield little or no results. You didn't fully learn what PFAL has to offer, and you got lousy results. You blame PFAL for results that are from YOUR lack of diligence.

That is according to YOUR personal interpretation of Galatians.

You are conveniently ignoring the THOUSANDS who are still very blessed with PFAL. That wake you FOCUS on is tiny compared to the good. Every man's actions brand them as flesh. The question is, what can God do when people rise up, even if temporarily out of this cesspool. Try it yourself. Try rising up above the flesh that dominates your life with God's Word and see how well God can ignore your flesh.

Not one grad took Dr's final instructions to heart. Not one. It was uterly lost on leadership. Just today I informed another clergy member of the last/lost teaching of vpw who had NEVER even heard of it. Not one AC grad took Dr's '79 instructions to master RHST seriously. Not one. Not one... until very recently. You see, Mr Ham, we never quite finished taking the class, or receiving the class. The results line up with our performance in refusing to learn past a certain shallow point. JAL is the epitome of this arrogant refusal to learn.

If God didn't give an abundance of revelation to Dr, then you are correct. It all comes down to what GOD Himself actualy decided to do, not what you think He did, or worse, what you demand He did not. If God DID give Dr that abundance of revelations, then regardless of what you deduce from facts, YOU are the idolator. You may be sure of some facts, but are you willing to bet your life and rewards and family on the accuracy of your deduction? Remember, it's not the accuracy of the facts, it's the accuracy of what YOU think those facts demand of God. Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. P.S. - remember how sure you were when you bet everything on Craig in the late 80's.

Catcup, I do deliberately put on biblically based blinders: Plp. 4:8 Â Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. There are times and places, not usually public though, where sorting through sin is necessary. It's GOOD to minimize that. When I read Balaam's prophecy I do NOT usually think of his dishonesty, but rather the One he saw. When I read Paul's epistles I usually think NOT of his deprogramming techniques that included death. When I read David's Psalms I usually think NOT of his sins which included murder. This kind of thinking is not easy. It takes work, but it's worth it. I see that you are not practiced at this one bit. It's not too late to start, though.

The biblical canon is not part of the biblical canon, either. Ever think about THAT one. Try it for a couple of decades like I have before shooting off a glib answer. Who told you that the biblical canon is right? It IS something worth thinking about. Know why I have GREAT respect for the traditional canon? Because VPW convinced me to. Try thinking about THAT one for a while, too.

I was often accused of worshiping Paul by Red-Letter 4-Square fundamentalists. I ignored such accusations because I knew that Paul's words were not Paul's words, but God's. I respect the prophetic foretelling of the crookeder-than-a-dog's-hind-legs Balaam, yet I know that Balaam is not any object of my worship. If Dr's writings were by inspiration of God, then respecting Dr's words is no more idolatry than respecting Paul's Epistles or Balaam's prophecy. God can give His Word to sinners. In fact, he has no choice BUT to give His Word to sinners.

No, no, no. It's the Tom Strange form of literary criticism that I was adopting... temporarily.

WW, You wrote: "So, is Mike really convinced that "crude approximation of a law" is synonymous with "simply stated"? __ He appears to." It is synonymous WHEN and WHERE someone latches onto the "simply stated" law, thinking it is the full form of the law, and forgetting the many other crucial aspects. Persons with such a perspective only have a crude approximation in mind. I did say essentially this, but you missed it. Again, it's the searching deeper for meaning and intent that you fall short of. You need to stop looking for word combinations that will help you in nailing me, and try to get the message understood. you're so intent on semantically naling me that yo can't see what I'm talking about.

I didn't say ALL of you symptoms were like LCM's, just your attitude that you can't be wrong, and can't even consider it for a day or two when someone gives you detailed proof of you not having something correct. A wise man LOVES reproof.

Catcup, Well, I don't need to withdraw my LCM comparison, now do I?

Catcup, I urged you to deepen your comprehension, AND to do it with mastering the written forms, not recalling from faulty memory the spoken forms. I showd you two places where Dr DID say (in essence) that "Believing Equals Receiving" was only a crude approximation of the law of believing. Maybe you missed that long post of mine to you above, BEFORE WW's post.

Does that mean you're NOT ready for that exam? Maybe some coffee would help. :D-->