Mike

WordWolf, I think you are totally right in your assertion that taking more time before posting filters out unnecessary venom from being injected into the mix. Also, taking more time to post would have helped Belle here in not making the mistakes I just pointed out. She probably wrote the above before even encountering the rest of the story. I do believe that my FELLOWSHIP is the only one in the world focusing exclusively on PFAL. I continue to search for more.

Belle, You mis-state my position on blinders. Read it again, please. When God Himself brings up a negative in His Word, I pay attention to it. When people bring up negatives, especially in a public forum, I recognize the great possibility that only part of the story is being presented, and I apply the advice of Plp. 4:8 that I quoted. When someone comes to me privately for help, I then pay great attention to both their complaint and God's Word. If they want help but not the Word, then I must back off. You also mis-state other things in my position. I do NOT think I'm "the only person in the whole world" who understands PFAL. You missed my post yesterday where I said I have NOT mastered PFAL, I'm only diligently attempting to do that. With God's help I will succeed, but I'm not there yet.

I aplogize for my bad habit of radicaly editing my pieces after posting them. I just always see typos and better ways of saying things after seeing them on the board. Maybe I should do a practice post in the PT forum just to see the board layout and there do my editing. In the heat of the moment I often prematurely post. I'll try to stop that. I imagine it must be annoying.

WW, I don't feel like looking for the article, scanning it, correcting scanning errors and all that. It's not necessary. Uriah's relatives knew what David did. They had to make a decision. A few made the right decision and were included in a list of "David's mighty men." You might be able to find it via a concordance. That's the essence of what he wrote. It's very simple. Every time I've brought this up it's the very simple point of Uriah's relatives needing to make a crucial decision. It's the same today. We all need to make a crucial decision of whether of not we're going to focus on and amplify negative emotions regarding Dr's sin, or are we going to focus on the Word God taught him and he taught us. Do we focus on the soap opera or on the Word? Very simple.

WW, The article is "David's Mighty Men" from an early 80's Way Magazine issue. I posted this just a few hours ago, but you missed it, among many other things. You only look for what you can pounce on in my posts, like I bemoaned earlier. Remember: After Nathan's confrontation, EVERYONE knew. Uriah's relatives had to decide whether to go with the flow of negative emotion, or go with God and His spokesman. A few made the right decision. That's my MAIN point here in response to Catcup mentioning that her sister was hurt.

Lorna Dune, I'm sure many others did and will read your long post on the previous page. They may not post their thankfulness, wanting not to enter this battlefield, but they will bless you with prayer and maybe even a private e-mail. Thank you again for such a heartfelt piece of writing. God bless you greatly.

There were consequences for David's sin. Same for Moses'. Same for mine and yours. God will judge Dr righteously, but I'm sure he already suffered some consequences for his sin. Nobody gets away with anything, especially in the long run. I've posted to this often, and right from the start.

WW, Have you read the Scheonheit article? Do you disagree with his findings? The men who carried out David's orders to abandon Uriah knew something was very odd, at least. Bathsheba knew who knocked her up. You think she told NOBODY? Baloney. Plenty of people knew. Uriah made a public spectacle of NOT sleeping with her when he was home on leave. You don't think people were capable of putting two and two together? Do you need a Bible verse to see these obvious things? I don't. They are CLEARLY implied. I'd need verses to say they did NOT happen before I'd even consider that. We were taught to think this way in the Orientalisms class. Unless it clearly stated otherwise, we can assume that Oriental customs were followed. Well this is much more universal than oriental customs; this is Human customs. After Nathan's confrontation EVERYONE KNEW. All of Uriah's relatives knew EXACTLY what happened by then. They knew and had to make decisions! You can NOT deny this. *** I know no good man sinks to knocking up a best friend's wife and then murdering him without first having scalded his conscience with many dastardly deeds. Many people either saw these things, or even worse were victims. I know no man, even one who repents, totally eradicates the remnants of such a seared conscience. I know David sinned again, even though it's not recorded. I'll bet my life on it, and not loose a wink of sleep. I also know that David's bad example was kept alive by the adversary (like Dr's sins here) to help him steer people away from the Psalms. In the process another devilish effect took hold: many people picked up on it and thought "Well the King did it, I can do it too." This human dynamic is so common that, like the above items, I'd need a verse to say it did NOT happen before I'd even consider that anomaly. David's son Solomon picked up on it and also became a jerk on many occasions in his later life. Again, I got this from the OT History class.

Catcup, You wrote: "I suppose then, you believe, that whatever these women went through at the hands of your idol, was WORTH IT because of what YOU got out of it. __ Regardless of the wreckage it made of other lives. __ I cannot think of anything more selfish." If I thought that way I'd be ashamed of myself, or SHOULD be. I do NOT think that way. How could you think that evil of me? I know... by not paying attention to my posts. If you only knew me you'd feel ashamed for thinking that way. I have three sisters. If you only knew the suffering I too have felt because of the screwed up sex doctrines that ran through the TVTs I got stuck in. I choose not to discuss the details. Behind the scenes I have approached excathedra and shown her how I too was hurt, not in the same ways, but very hurt nonetheless. Have you ever wondered why she and I don't duke it out here like you and I are now? It's because I feel for her and her hurt. I can relate. When I told you about the Scheonheit article, it's because I too had to get my mind on what God's Word says about men of God who mess up, and reject my own hurt feelings. That article helped me long ago and I never forgot it. I wasn't physically hurt, but emotionally and mentally I STILL have to deal with it.

I am working of getting a deeper understanding of the statement by searching ALL of what God's Word says on the same subject.

Lorna, Bravo! I just read your long post above. I wish we could all post like that, with tender hearts. ...SOMEday!

Wafer Not!, I have not in any way completed the mastering I need to do and am capable of. The fellowship I attend is the only one in the world (that I know of) that studies Dr's books and articles and ONLY those materials. I have searched for 7 years for another fellowship, or even one other person, who focuses on MASTERING those materials. There are many proPFAL fellowships, but they are attempting to master their KJVs still, and only refer to the collaterals. Sometimes their reference is high volume, but usually it's low. If you know of even ONE grad out there that literally believes PFAL, that it is God's Word as it claims, then please connect us.

Lorna, I'm so sorry to have ploughed right past your post. In this flurry I didn't even see if until it was buried. May I suggest that you copy it to a file, and then re-post if when this flurry subsides. It looks like yo put a lot of work into you post, and more people will see if if you just re-post it later. It looks interesting, and I'd like to study it.

Catcup, It was not worth it for them to be hurt and then to only get a TVT out of the deal. I'm sure that's all they got, so I expect them to feel NOT thankful. If they had mastered the teaching, instead of the social scene like most of us (me included) did, then they would have been able to thwart the incidents, or at least be less hurt by them. If they had read the Scheoheit article they might have pointed their hurt in God's direction and gotten healed. I know that no one got PFAL down accurately, so I'm sure the hurt ones feel ripped of. The ONLY way we can help theim (instead of adding fuel to their fires) is by US mastering PFAL and giving them another chance to see Christ alive in us. Becoming hateful like them only helps keep them far from God's healing.

Do you remember the Scheonheit article? It was titled "David's Mighty Men" I think.

Thankful for the accurate teaching, yes. Thankful for any sin against them, no.

Yes. There are much worse fates that that. ...like not knowing that God is good.

There was a Way Magazine article about the noble relatives of Uriah in the early 80's. Did you ever see it? It was not written by Dr, but by John Scheonheit.

Are you willing to learn from the OT that God had writen for our learning?

uThankful for raped? Where on earth did yo get THAT from? I've never said nor implied anything like that. I don't think that way. I think it's atragedy that any men of God sinned. Was Uriah's family thankful for David killing Uriah? I think NOT! But they could still feel thankful for the revelations God gave David before and after that fiasco IF they had a heart for God. The ones who did not have a heart for God probably rejected God's revelations to David. That was their loss. The Bible talks about these people a little. Did you know that? Are you willing to learn from the nobel example of a few of Uriah's relatives? Or do want to reject God and His revelations to the only man he could find who could and would carry out the mission?

Catcup, Have you ever wondered about the relatives of Uriah? How did they feel about David? What was their proper Godly response to David killing Uriah?

Dr admitted he did not get the PFAL revelations into full operation in his life. He admitted this on tape at LV, then in print in the magazine, then he had it chiseled into stone.

Catcup, That man did not know the ACCURACY of the scriptures in his heart. Maybe in his mouth, but they no longer impress me. NOT ONE leader did what Dr told them to do. NOT ONE mastered PFAL. Many can parrot KJV, but none mastered the English revelations Dr and his editors put into writing. Not even Dr.

Catcup, I reject your use of the word "many" AND I wonder with prejudice what worse fate those relatively women may have met if they had NOT learned about the True God from Dr.

CoolWaters, It's PARTIAL-pfal endoctrination that you suffered from. NONE of the leaders who hurt yo had PFAL accurate. Not one.