Mike

Text size seems to be unaffected by this proceedure with my MS IE browser. It works for other sites and the old GSC, but not this one. I voted "too small" on the font size thread. ******* I'm thrilled to see all the innovations, and certaily don't want to be any kind of party pooper. I can live with the text size. For long posts I can always paste into my Word Processor and increase text size at will. ******* For future innovations I'd suggest incorporating a text COLOR CHANGE for items (thread names, poster names, page numbers) that have been recently clicked. The old GSC enjoyed this feature and it made scanning an entire forum's table of contents page a breeze.

Well, then... please allow me to return attention to Peter Wade's booklet...

But, why do you make it SOUND LIKE I do this on many threads? What you say verbatum, and what it SOUNDS LIKE are two different things.

Raf, You wrote: "Why not? You do it to every other thread you're on." No, not EVERY thread. Yes, I agree that I command a certain spotlight on nearly every thread where I am seriously challenged. But, why do you make it sound like I do this on MANY threads? There are FAR MORE threads that I totally refrain from posting on. I don't invade any old thread. I do this very sparingly, and that fact seems to be absent in your regular and predictable complaints against my posting. ...complaints that are derailments of sorts in themselves, but that's another issue... *** Why not switch gears a little? Try to say something like this to me: "Those very few threads you appear on, Mike, are easily steered in the direction of your message." To which I could shrug: "Well, yes Raf, but I do also often wait for a thread to play it's course before I overwhelm it's direction with the admittedly strong nature of my message." We could behave like gentlemen instead of like children. .

rascal, If you had been paying attention to the heart and ideas behind my posts you'd already know the answer to that question you just asked. Instead you only look for things to pounce on in my posts, and many details elude you. Should I take the time to answer you and derail things here? Maybe I should start a separate thread for questions such as yours here. When I want to discuss some fine point in a thread I'm often (if not always) ambushed with derailment filled questions and challenges. Any ideas what such a thread should be titled?

oldiesman, I don't know very much about the Green Blue-Book, except that there are a few VERY interesting variations in there from what later ended up in the regular Blue Book. And I don't mean simple and relatively meaningless vocabular shifts. All the hub-bub the word "magic" is causing here strikes me as strange. I'm not sure WHAT the criticism or the celebration is all about, and I suspect neither do the participants. I do know that Dr taught several times about how the receiving of a revelation can evolve over years, AND how it can go through various stages as it's being put into written form. We can easily see that RHST went through the latter process in 7 editions, and similarly for a few other books. The Apostle Paul's track through the former process can be seen in Acts as he gradually received the revelation of the great mystery, or secret. *** What I was interested in was Peter's Wade's contribution to the latter process (and to my spiritual growth long ago) with the booklet I mentioned of his, "The Secret of Radiant Living." I think I have the title correct, but I lost track of my copy. That teaching later evolved into one of the Living Victoriously teachings and then a magazine article.

. . Rev. Wade, It's a pleasure to meet you here. We should talk someday. Us oldies have a lot to catch up on. Speaking of booklets, I'm an old fan of your old booklet "The Secret of Radiant Living." *** The Evan et al, I call this lost edition of Volume I "The Green Blue-Book" because it's light green. I got my copy from a 1969 grad. The Blue Book that everyone else is familiar with came out in 1971, and the Green Blue-Book was no longer available. . .

. . . Amen to that, CM! :)--> ... DOUBLE AMEN! . . .

Raf, You seem to think that if you insult me enough you'll win some debate points, or make me feel bad enough to stop posting my message. I have a right, and it IS right to chose my battles wisely, not at the goading of others. When I don't want to waste time debating I bow out with no thoughts of loosing anything. Haven't you figured out that your insults or your theological labeling me as an idolater has no effect on me, and it makes you look like a sourpuss? Maybe you ARE one, but you ought to find a way to hide it. You're broadcasting to everyone what kind of treatment they can expect if they cross you. *** Long Gone, I've seen that many grads, though they shed the terminology of trinitarianism, they retain many of the notions behind Jesus being God. He was a man and he had to learn like one. He only had 5-senses to do it with until he was 30. Yes, John the Baptist was different. Long before Moses God's Word was written in the stars. *** I'm not here to debate Jesus' nature. If anyone wants to know what that's all about they can ask HIM. I'm sure they'll get a chance and soon.

It looks like you two want to start a trinity thread. If a grad of PFAL wants to believe in the trinity, or Jesus being God, or Jesus not haveing to bust his foot to do what he did, then I'll briefly pray for their recovery. But I won't waste my time on them. These issues were settled long ago, long before the ministry meltdown. If you two didn't get it, who Jesus Christ is then, you won't get it now. I will not even try to debate these issues with you. I won't waste my time. I come here to deal with information that we grads who WERE paying some attention didn't get or that slipped by us. I deal with subtle issues that have leaked from our, the more diligent grads, memories. There are tons of deluded denominational types to keep you company out there who will celebrate your doctrines with you. I just don't have the time to debate stupid issues with you folks. I'm just not in the least bit interested. Sorry.

Did he? You might want to read John 6:63, Mike. I'm not even a Christian but I do believe that I understand the Bible and Christian doctrine better than you do. For that matter, I think I understand Wierwille's teachings better than you do. Long Gone, Jesus ALSO said that he never spoke his own words but only those words his Father taught him. He said the scriptures cannot be broken, and that every jot and tittle would be fulfilled. For his first thirty years, having no spirit, he could ONLY get taught by physical books or scrolls. Finding one verse to support your hunch, but not bringing in ALL the other verses on the same subject is error. Jesus also said that the greatest commandment is to love God. If you check out where he got that from in Deut.6 you'll see that the context of that comandment prescribes lots of focus on the physical writings. Jesus loved His Father so he spent lots of time reading physical material. This is what qualified him for direct communication with his Father when he finally got spirit.

I'm going to end with this repetition:

I told you I'm not interested in your opinions.

please make sense. That doesn't.

You're yanking my chain! There's only one TRUE God. The devil is a false god, and he has power.

look WHAT up?

sez who? I was talking about the biblical accounts of Jesus in the desert talking to the devil. The devil is the conterfeit god.

I'm reading physical books... MASTERING them. I was talking about the "god given authority" you claimed to have. I'm sure you didn't read that in a book, you got it in a "revelation" and it was a spirit.

the visions were FROM a counterfeit source. GADS MAN! This is a stupid way to communicate. We're all out of sequence due to posting on top of each other.

The devil quoted scriptures, but he wrongly divided them. That's what tipped off his true colors.

This posting on top of each other is confusing. I'm going to back off and let yo say your thing. Tomorrow is another day.

In the desert, Jesus drew upon his near 30 years of studying physical books (scrolls) to see that the visions there were counterfeit. Jesus had a physical standard to discern truth from error.

It's the spirits that make that claim. I wrote: "The only way to focus on the RIGHT spirit (many claim to be Christ)..." If you think you have a direct link, the spirit that assures you of that claims to be Christ... or God... or the authority.

Jesus said the scriptures (physical written books of that time) are spirit and they are life!