Mike

Twinky, I think you're done trying to spring a lawyer trap on me. I'm not into that game.

You can plainly see I flashed forward TWICE there, just to bring in the similarity to MeToo.

Long before I took the class, while in High School, I theorized on something troubling me, that seemed to be stamped into human genetics. I first noticed it in the 6th grade, and my young RC mind couldn't fathom it at all. But by High School I think I knew the score. I believe the modern "Me Too" movement is onto roughly the same troubling thing. My summation of what I saw early in my High School scientific life was "The Football Captain always gets his choice of the cheerleaders." I didn't like it, being skinny and doomed to football failure, but I could see it was true. Fifty years later and the Me Too people point it out in nearly every power based human organization. I didn't bat an eyelash at King David's choice of the cheerleaders. It bothered me, as usual, but it didn't surprise me. THAT's what a lawyer heart (oxymoronic, I know) misses. Please re-read it (and my corrections) with your woman's heart.

Fifteen years ago I reached out to a few of them here in PMs. With several we had an long exchange of PMs. They believed me. Are you trying to goad me into playing a lawyer game of EXPLICIT demands? If so, why? Are you trying to communicate with me as a person? Then get real.

Twinky, do you see how we completely miscommunication on the "bat eye lash" thing. Do I have to re-write my post (non-abreviated) for you?

This is not a courtroom and I am not on trial. If you re-read with a kinder heart you will see the answer to your questions already in my contested post. If you can't get at least a hint of what side I am on from that then PM me.

Twinky, I see what I did better. Again, too abbreviated. The 50 years later sentence is a flash forward. It ends when that sentence ends. Flash forward: Fifty years later and the Me Too people point it out in nearly every power based human organization. Return to my ancient history: I didn't bat an eyelash at King David's choice of the cheerleaders. It bothered me, as usual, but it didn't surprise me. [All refer to PFAL story on first hearing.]

I just re-read my post and I see how it jumps around in time. Sorry. Again, it was my grammatical error that set you off. Please take it easy. I'm not one of the bad guys, ESPECIALLY on this issue.

Please re-read. My non-batting eyelash was over hearing the story of David in the OT in 1972, several years after I formulated my Football Captain theory. When I heard that story of David for the FIRST TIME in PFAL in 1972 (remember I was RC) I was not surprised at David. Disappointed, yes. Troubled, yes. As usual. I had no idea of the women you speak of at that time. I think most were not yet in that ministry at that time. *** Please, Twinky, you completely got my heart wrong from the way you read my post. You missed it, that I am on your side on this. You completely missed it. I don't blame you. I just ask you to try reading that again. If you have any personal questions about any line, please feel free to ask in a PM.

Sort of. Long before I took the class, while in High School, I theorized on something troubling me, that seemed to be stamped into human genetics. I first noticed it in the 6th grade, and my young RC mind couldn't fathom it at all. But by High School I think I knew the score. I believe the modern "Me Too" movement is onto roughly the same troubling thing. My summation of what I saw early in my High School scientific life was "The Football Captain always gets his choice of the cheerleaders." I didn't like it, being skinny and doomed to football failure, but I could see it was true. Fifty years later and the Me Too people point it out in nearly every power based human organization. I didn't bat an eyelash at King

Socrates, Long before I took the class, while in High School, I theorized on something troubling me, that seemed to be stamped into human genetics. I first noticed it in the 6th grade, and my young RC mind couldn't fathom it at all. But by High School I think I knew the score. I believe the modern "Me Too" movement is onto roughly the same troubling thing. My summation of what I saw early in my High School scientific life was "The Football Captain always gets his choice of the cheerleaders." I didn't like it, being skinny and doomed to football failure, but I could see it was true. Fifty years later and the Me Too people point it out in nearly every power based human organization. I didn't bat an eyelash at King David's choice of the cheerleaders. It bothered me, as usual, but it didn't surprise me.

I disagree here.

My admiration was of the ideas presented in writing, not of the man.

For once we almost totally agree. I got the gold and ran.

Hi Twinky, I answered bunches of your post here in my response to Rocky. Here I want to say that my actions here have always been in the vein you portrayed above in color. I know MANY proPFAL grads, but almost none as staunch as me. These are moderate fans of PFAL. I’ve tracked with them for decades. NONE of them want to come here and post, EVER. A few, a tiny few come here to read, but wouldn’t think of posting. They all want nothing to do with such negative grads as they behold here. When I come here, in my mind, I’m loving the unlovable. I’m seeking out the most outcast of grads (from the moderate propfal peeps) when I come here. Don’t laugh. It’s true FROM many grads perspective. They feel this is over the top in negativity, and none ever dare to come here to give or love. As I learn better empathy (see my post to Rocky) I am withdrawing my message, thesis, and style in order to continue some kind of reaching out in love here. Even that may be impossible, but who knows until it’s tried? I was toughened for situations like this. I used to go witnessing One God at trinitarian Baptist churches. It was not easy, but I learned a lot. I’ve witnessed to arch-atheist hard core scientists. I can’t blame my moderate friends, though, for not coming here. I’ve had an odd enough life that I feel can hack it. So, how’s THAT for a non-PFAL comeback? You GreaseSpotter Heathens should feel lucky to have me here, to preach at your Alter To the Unknown God. (This last line is just joking around, in case it’s not obvious.) :)

As soon as the term "emotional IQ" appeared in mid 80s? I knew that was a big problem in my life. I've been working on it ever since. Empathy takes not only some IQ, but also practice. Even practicing to REMEMBER to empathize is valuable. It's been pretty easy to empathize with what I see here and what I imagine happened in the years I was gone. I merely have to shift gears and remember how it was when I felt rather angry with VPW, and over several issues that had accumulated by 1983. By 1985 and the time of his death, I shed zero tears. I didn't miss him after either. If I were hearing my message back then I'd have been extremely unhappy, and I'd change the channel right away. THAT's what empathy was generated in me by some stories here. But then my anger faded as I got away from TWI. I had access to the videos, but I hardly looked at them.... just for nostalgia again. It wasn't until 1998 that I took a second fresh look at the books. Absolutely all of my anger was gone by then.

Hi Twinky, This time I read the whole thing. You're a good writer. Thanks for making a significant chunk of your story a little easier for me to ferret out. There were times when I had the fear of being "kicked out" or M&A'd. I saw it happen only rarely in the 70s, and several times I skirted the edge with great fear. What I've learned so far is that the crapola from TWI cannot be separated from TALK about pfal... for some people. ...for a lot of people here. ...for ALL of the active posters here. I've had an odd life. I was supremely interested in the doctrine and had zero interest in the hierarchy and administration. I'd tolerate them, but it was the ideas I was after. The same doctrines that blessed my oddly insulated life were mixed with all kinds of stuff (cough) in the administration world of TWI. So, what I'm learning with each reading session is that I can not separate TWI from PFAL for anyone here, ESPECIALLY with the style I used of hard hitting, long quotes, facts, figures, etc. That style came from how I was literally dragged onto GS without my consent in the fall of 2002. (long story) What I learned from skyrider’s Steroids thread filled in the gaps for me of what I saw of TWI from 1992ish to 2000. I knew it was crazy, so I didn’t peek in much then. It was much worse than I had heard from a distance. A lot of this sailed past me 12 years ago on GS because I was so focused on a huge posting fight, 10 times the volume of what we were doing a few weeks ago here. In my history with all this, there were many times when I just jumped off the train in a PARTIAL sense. Example: A distant branch leader once set me up with being the twig leader of a Way Home he “put together” for me. I assumed he had signed everyone up by revelation. When I met them all and started rental house hunting with them I discovered that the branch leader had SLOPPED them together to meet an administrative quota. They were not at all committed. One of them was engaged and only needed a place to crash for 3 months. We had a saying back then: Rules were made to be broken. I bailed out of that twig leadership position in a flash. I had learned that the ideas were important but the organization was not. I was happy to not have all those blue forms to deal with. I’ve had a lot of bad luck in my life, but somehow I dodged the intense crapola many of you suffered deeply from.

Yes, that was unfortunate grammar. Not my intention. Here is what I intended to say expanded out. ..the breakup of families is only one of MANY issues I am interested in... Some issues I'm both keenly and nostalgically interested in, but the family issues are more a mild and recent interest, and not a long term or intense interest. I was being too abbreviated, and thought the grammar was clear. It wasn't. One reason the family issues hit me hard a few weeks ago is because I'm going through some similar break-up like things (not TWI related) in my extended family and close friends. This involves some possible mental illness and lots of uncertainty, and a few hurtful interactions, a few burnt bridges (or what look like them) and it's hard for me NOT to relate heavily on the increases problems that TWI went through after I escaped relatively un-touched by 1988. So, because I've been so verklempt myself about things family break-up related, my extreme brevity made for some unfortunate grammar in that nauseating sentence. Sorry.

Hi Twinky, Sorry, I’ve been rather scattered in my reading and in my posting lately, and this (as well as many other posts to me) completely slipped under my radar. I’ve been deep into some family problems, and a few medical issues on top of that. So, my GreasSpot time has been chaotic lately. I haven’t even finished reading this whole post of yours I’m commenting on right now, but I will eventually. *** As I mentioned I’ve been reading in many old and current threads here, as well as reading my old GS archives which contain many old threads that were deleted. As I was doing this I saw, unexpectedly, the large disruptions to families TWI-3 caused. I was aware of old damage, but I thought it calmed down a lot after LCM shook off Geer. The “Insanity on Steroids” thread gave me a whole new picture. I had only briefly spot checked TWI during the last 20 years, and I thought it was calming down. Oops! I thought GreaseSpot had also calmed down from similar spot checks over the past 10 years, but I only looked at volume of posting, not much into contents. I don’t want to add to any angst here by trying to use GS as a platform for my message. I could actually do that a little 15 years ago, because there were a lot of proPFAL posters in semi-sympathy with me. Not any more, though. *** So, Twinky, the breakup of families is only one of MANY issues I am keenly and nostalgically interested in. It’s not anywhere near the top of my priority list of topics, though. HOWEVER it’s time did come a few weeks ago, and it altered my course here, and still is altering it. If this is the only topic you folks want to hear me on, I can live with that. I just may not have much to post, or very often.

(a) Sorry I drifted off topic. (b) I was most concerned that my "style" was drifting back to "working my thesis" and it looks like it may have, but still not sure. For both items, what happened was I merely trying to hold simple conversations, zeroing in on the most recent micro-topics, and not getting overly detailed. I haven't yet looked at Twinky's offer in detail, due to s few distractions in my personal life. I will look at that better, and soon. However, the whole idea of a single thread platform for my thesis presentation is what I wanted to NOT do any more. So, I'm a little confused (temporary, I'm sure) as to what I CAN do here and not cause a lot of stress. *** I'm attempting to fully understand the following sentence: "Yet, he dodges and weaves........and keeps coming to other threads to strut all over the chessboard. Why is that?" If you want me to completely confine myself to one thread, I can do that, but I did not know that was what Twinky had in mind. Give me time. I'll either find a fine tuned adjustment or go away. If it's the case that you want NONE of the kind counter perspective I can provide, please say so and I will understand and withdraw completely. So far, with only a tiny bit of thinking it through, are you asking me to only post on one thread? If I were doing my thesis, that might work, but it seems a little awkward for me to read a poster's comment on one thread, and then make my comments on another. Is that what I'm hearing? Awkward or not, that's what I'll do; just not sure how much or for how long.

I have a question: Is my previous post over the line, and back into my promised-to-end style?

I learned that most of the manifestations are for helping others, not self. We were encouraged to go out and learn the manifestations as we went out WOW or our similar equivalent. I always regarded witnessing as the primary arena for learning the big 6. The other place is in the fellowship in helping believers. The horse race thing was to merely build believing in learning to recognize God's voice, to be later applied to blessing others and not self.

perfect in quality, no darkness, no sin Built up in quantity (figuratively), strength (figuratively)

For years in the 70s, I was suspecting that VPW's public operation of SIT would be repetitive, and maybe at times it was. I don't remember why I worried about that, though. Maybe I heard it once. But at one later date AC (I think 1983) I clearly remember hearing him and it was extremely fluent. I was extremely sensitive to this topic right from the start. I made many notes on it, and after I grew with it a little, I made it my business to lead excellor's sessions during Intermediate classes. I failed at many things in the ministry and in life, but somehow I was very good at helping others develop fluency in SIT. [There's a self referential greatness statement. I got the results.] I used the alphabet method and could (back then) handle everyone's objections to it being fake and mechanical. So when I finally heard VPW and his fluency (late in my ministry life) I was especially alert in my observations. One time, early 70s, I heard VPW gently say after a SIT manifestation was given "Don't you think you ought to work on your fluency a little?" In 2002 I found a tape (7th Corps or maybe Indianan?) where VPW teaches the alphabet method for fluency.