David Anderson

Hey Krys, there's a better one than that in Ecclesiastes, "Wisdom is better than weapons of war, but a little evil destroys much good."

Hello Outthere. Since starting this thread I've posted 112 of the 687 comments on this thread. I can't think of a thing that I can add to what I've already written that would help answer your question. As for the other 575 posts, I am powerless to eliminate the bulls**t from them so you're on your own in trying to seperate truth from lies, distortions, and out and out malice, from them. There are some insights in them but they are few and far between. Best wishes, Dave

Jim, I'm about as serious as an icebreaker on Lake Superior in below zero temperatures trying to keep the shipping lanes open. But the ice is getting pretty thick and so the folks at port may just have to wait til spring for their precious cargo to arrive.

Hey Jim, in case you missed it, the purpose of this thread was to enable people to make their own oxygenated water so they wouldn't have to spend $40 a case for it- and then they could store it in any container they liked. But your bigger question, as to why the fish died from the water you stored in plastic containers, I would presume it was from too much BOD (biological oxygen demand) in the tap water you used- that consumed all the free oxygen in the water so there was none left for the fish when you got around to giving it to them. You see, BOD is a lot like the 50+ posts to this thread since my last post- they consume oxygen, survive at the expense of others, and add nothing to the discussion. EPA would call them pollutants- sort of like the overflow from septic tanks that gets discharged into rivers, creeks, and Lake Erie, which we then drink. The only way to get rid of them, without adding other posions, is to boil the water and kill them. But try puting your tropical fish in distilled water and see what happens. You can buy distilled water for $1 a gallon, but probably can't get that in glass either. Maybe you're not old enough to remember, but there was a time when most liquids came in glass containers- and lots of kids cut themselves on broken glass. So plastic came along as an answer to that problem. And plastic coated cans answered the complaints of the beer drinkers. But your fish will surely die from distilled water since it also has no oxygen in it. But if you aerate the distilled water, or better yet saturate it with pure oxygen, they will be tickled pink. FedGov is going to spend millions to do a study on why there is no oxygen in the deep water at places in Lake Erie in August. If they'd spend the money on tankers filled with liquid oxygen instead and then used known science to oxygenate the lake, the fish would be happier. Ah, but that would be too simple- and would invite the scorn of all the nay-sayers of the world that would rather talk than fish. But there is hope, because I know of five tanker trucks of liquid oxygen a week that go up to Detroit from the Ohio River plant that generates oxygen, either for their waste treatment plants or their drinking water plants- maybe they're the same plant, a modern miracle of recycling! And in fifty years we'll know if people lived longer or shorter lives on average in Detroit, due to some engineers decision to add oxygen somewhere to the municipal water stream. One thing you can bet on is that the engineer used known laws of physics, chemistry, and physiology rather than double blind studies, to back up his decision.

Raf said, Hey Raf, did you mean that? I've been waiting with baited breath for your report on your findings. A gal from Atlanta stopped by yesterday on her way back home from visiting family in Michigan and left with a corny keg, oxygen regulator, hose and fittings to make oxygen saturated water. All she needs now is an oxygen bottle so you'd better hurry if you want to be the first from GSC to actually make their own Pneuma Water. But not to worry, the corny keg was filled with cold, distilled, water under 60 psig oxygen pressure so you have a little time until it is consumed. What with a husband and two kids, it may take all of three days til she needs more (assuming their liquid intake is 3# per day each and they drink only Pneuma Water.) Oh, and in difference to you and your comments about burping, I tapped and drank a 16 ounce glass of the water as fast as I could a while back to see if I'd burp. The water was as close to freezing as I could get it so theoretically it contained four times 75 ppm oxygen when it came out of the tap or 300 ppm. And I must confess that I did burp. Well, it wasn't really a burp as we know them- more like a tiny complaint rather than Mt. St. Helens going off- not to be compared to what would happen had I been able to chug a 16 oz. bottle of cold, just opened, soda pop in the same amount of time (which I doubt I could even do). But there you have it, an admission of my being wrong about the possibility of burping. Actually, when I started this thread I had in mind the old addage, "Give a man a pair of shoes and he'll need shoes again. Teach a man how to make a pair of shoes and he'll always have shoes." I just didn't know I'd need a flack jacket in the classroom! Best wishes, Dave

A week or so ago I bought some oranges and made some fresh orange juice to see how much oxygen was in the juice. Looks like about 17-18 ppm. Don't know how long the oranges were on the shelf or what the oxygen content would be with oranges picked right off the tree, but it's bound to be higher. What started this little investigation was the fact that I can buy frozen concentrate for 89 cents that makes 48 ounces of juice (about a day's supply of water if you don't like drinking water by itself). Buying the juice istelf costs a lot more and has zero oxygen content because of the pasturization process. So I bought some frozen concentrate, used 75 ppm oxygenated water to mix with it, and never had better tasting orange juice in my life. Just another reason to make your own oxygenated water.

Linda Z, you may know that this thread almost died the other day, but it was no natural near death experience. (see Jonny Lingo's thread "What happened to my thread" in the event you don't know what happened and why). Actually, what I liked about you when I first met you was not how many times you took PFAL but that you started a bible study in a junk yard- and you didn't have a white sheet on burning crosses in somebody's front yard. The white sheet folks have many reasons why they need to remain anonomous, and no doubt they've come to think the habit is acceptable because they've experienced FEDGOV's "annonomous complaint" habit of the last half century or so- corporate governance at it's worst. As Chief Justice Brandise wrote way back when, "For good or for ill, the government is the preeminent teacher" and it teaches by it's example, not it's words or publications. Fortunately the KKK like behavior of some on this thread and site is held in check by people that have real names and real faces standing among them. No doubt the cross burners hate that because even if their friends don't rat on them, just their standing among them carries the risk that they might if put to the test. Hey, maybe we're safe from actual hangings for a while. As for your earlier comment about the thread being unpopular, that depends on one's definition of unpopular. If it's measured by the number of views or the post to view ratio, it's right up there at the top since it started six months ago- and last month, dispite the bashing and my returning the favor, there were over 1,600 views of the thread and the views per post went up from 17 to 19. Why some even learned about the abdominal lymph system, ant anatomy, hyperbarics and that Krys finally realized oxygen could be carried in the body by methods other than being bound by hemoglobin- a lesson hard won perhaps, but won nevertheless. There was a time when she thought hyperbarics was off subject! So please forgive me if I take a stick and poke at a white sheet every once in a while to see if there's a real person under it and not a robot. You may be comfortable with annonimity, I am not. For every legitimate reason for it there are a thousand illegitimate ones. I happen to find the sujbect of adding oxygen to water to be quite interesting, simple to do, with potentially profound results from it to be found. I can take the cheep shots, and give them out as well- it's what happens when people want to hide their identity and still presume they have an equal right to freedom of speech. No telling how many folks from the anti KKK groups get in for free to the action simply because it's a way to submarine everything they don't like- just put on a white sheet and pretend- "law enforcement" is great at doing that, and appears to be doing it more frequently, and more objectionably, as the nation and it's people become more lawless at all levels. What used to be common decency isn't very common any more.

Hey Jonny, sorry to have brought the hecklers out to respond to your simple question. I guess it's the price of admission to this forum. But it did bring others aw well and so we now have some answers that we didn't have before: 1. Can moderators view posts as they are being written? No 2.Can we know who the moderators are? No 3.Is Krysilis a moderator? No 4.Can the originator of a thread pull it if he's not a moderator? No 5.Can Pawtucket run this site without moderators? No 6. Do moderators have to notify the originator of a thread that it was pulled and where it was placed? No 7. Is moving threads simply a matter of good housekeeping? No 8. Will I be starting any other threads given these rules? No

Nice try Krys. After my posting here the person who pulled the plug on the thread I started sent me an email stating that she had put it in the archives because she just hated me being bashed so much. So I replied that, if she could, she'd probably ban the bible from being published because bible bashing is still a popular sport, and has been ever since the printing press first printed it in 1450 A.D.. Who knows, without the Pope and other authority figures enjoying their monopoly, the printing press might have been invented hundreds of years before that time. The trouble is that the thread I started was pulled during the four hours I spent composing a reply to Linda Z's question of why I suposedly called you arrogant- and four hours of my time is therefore lost. So my question, pertinent to this thread, is weither or not the moderators of this forum have the ability to read posts as they are being composed. If so, they can just yank the thread if they really don't like the composition, and so they become the ultimate censors, looking over one's shoulder even as he writes. I did look at the oxygenated water thread since reading your post above and my last reply on the thread that I started is not there. Since you're evidently a moderator (the person who pulled the thread stated that pulling it was discussed on the moderators forum subsequent to my post on this thread- otherwise I find it incredible that you would have found where it was archived so fast and posted the location on this thread after saying you were through with that thread), perhaps you can retrieve the composition I was in the process of posting, and post it to the thread I started. As for your evident assumption that I don't read other threads because I don't post to them, that assumption is wrong- just like the assumption is wrong that the 10,165 views of the thread I started are no more people than those that contributed the 605 posts- a large number of them, posted by relatively few people, adding no substance to the discussion at all- including those who post that I'm worthless, or somehow derilect, because I don't generally post to other threads. Now if all the moderators would get together and decide to allow the originator of a thread to pull the thread as well as themselves, or at least edit out the irrelevant (in their view) material from it, then we'd see how many people still read it for content and how many just wanted to bash- sort of like kicking a person out of a church service or bible study aught not be religated merely to the "leader" but include the owner of the house or church where it is being held. Then we'd see who was arrogant and who was not! Better yet, how about a list of moderators to this site being published, complete with real names and addresses, so we could visit them like we do the neighbors. Annonymous posters and readers are one thing, annonymous censors are something else entirely. With privilege sould come some measure of responsibility commensurate with the privilege.

Looks like the same junk yard dog bit me yesterday Jonny. Seems the "Open Forum" is less open than I thought.

Krys, I think you have arrogance confused with anger. So to clarify allow me to put up a verbal mirror so you can take a look at yourself. In your December 8 post you wrote "... that leads me to think you came here to sell your system for oxygenating and distilling water", questioning my motives early on- hardly in the category of "good will to men". Then you suggested the topic of hyperbarics was off topic and should be handled in a private topic forum- which after six months now reveals that you've seen the relationship to the topic and after 20 years of teaching biology now discover that oxygen can get around the body in ways other than being carried by hemoglobin. And after trying Penta Water yourself and finding it helpful you accuse me of being arrogant! My peers would say I was stupid for ever trying to discuss the subject on this forum, but would hardly call me arrogant. If you could walk a mile in my shoes you'd know. Nevertheless, you've done me a favor because an endorsement of the topic from an adversary is far more powerful, at least in a court of law, than an endorsement from a friend. But in a court of law you first have to get sworn in and that means identifying yourself to the court. Even a meeting, presumably under Robert's Rules of Order if no others, requires a person to identify themself. But here, under the bogus premise that the site is designed to help people leaving twi, equal weight is suposedly given to everybody- the old Rodney King line, "Why can't we all just get along?" The answer to that question is obvious. To put it in words of a person well hated by many on this site, "You can't have peace without the Prince of Peace." But after six months now, I question how many posters here ever even went through PFAL let alone stayed in the organization long enough to have serious problems when leaving- the presumed design of this forum is to minister to them. Those who might have such problems surely are not going to get them solved by agnostics, athiests, etc., and total ignorance of any kind of Christian code of conduct. You may not like my code of conduct because it does not include pretending everyone is a nice guy. There are murderers, thieves and plunderers out there and I dare say some people have posted here that would love to assisinate the idea that oxygenated water is good for your health, and one doesn't even know if they ever had the sligtest affiliation with twi or the Bible, including you. If my recognition of Jesus Christ as the one I work for is what you mean by arrogant, then pity you. I'm not ashamed of that or of my degrees, or experience, or knowledge. But I'm an old warrior with lots of scars and so have an attitude to go with them. So maybe I'll apologize to a warrior who is quite my senior in battle, but little chance I'll do so to a raw recruit. Or to put it another way, apologize for not providing shoes to someone who doesn't have them when I've had my feet blown off. By the way, hyperbaric treatment does not supersaturate hemoglobin, which to the best of my knowledge can only carry a maximum of four oxygen molecules.

Hey Steve, had you read this thread you would have known that my cigarette consumption was about cut in half after drinking oxygenated water. Took me four months to realize that my cigarette stash hadn't gone down to reorder time near as fast as normal. Why the savings on cigarettes alone made it well worth my time to make the water. I guess I didn't say that i've been smoking now for some fifty years. And you can't imagine how boring it is to hear the self-righteous, do-gooders tell me I shouldn't smoke because it's bad for my health. Many of them are now dead and I'm still in excellent health- except for cateracts that have been developing for ten years now. I even had one guy tell me the cateracts were caused by the oxygenated water! Anymore, in the absence of any scientific proof other than pseudoscience and it's statistical hooky-pookisms, that smoking affects longevity (ie. about 5% of the population that dies each year dies from lung cancer, whether smokers or non smokers), I just reply that the Bible says that the Word of God is life to those who find it and health to all their flesh, and then ask them how many people they think die prematurly because they don't read their Bibles. That usually shuts them up (but obviously won't here- the naysayers being so much smarter than everyone else- and all without an ounce of effort to actually study a topic!)

Hello Linda, glad to see you're still following this thread. You may be one of the few that have posted here that does not need hyperbaric treatment! Many posting here appear to have no oxygen going to their brain at all. (and the brain in a normal human being consumes about 20% of the body's oxygen- no wonder insects are not known for their brilliance, they have enough oxygen supplied through the skin to get by but not enough to do such brain intensive things as read, think and ponder, let alone have anything of substance to say as a result of their mental activities.) To answer your question, the hyperbaric hospital was built at 18485 Lake Shore Boulevard, eight miles east of downtown Cleveland on 13 acres or lakefront property. It was finished in December of 1928. But for the stock market crash of 1929 and consequent depression, it might have still been in operation today. The money to build it was furnished by Henry H. Timken, of Timkin Bearing fame, who's life Dr. Orval J. Cunningham had saved from uremic poisoning in his hyperbaric chamber in Kansas City, MO. four years earlier. Since he knew he was not dead, and would have been without "The Tank" and it's doctor in Kansas City, he offered Dr. Cunningham an equal partnership in the world's largest pressure tank, for which he would put up a million dollars and his companies expertese in Canton, Ohio to build. It was a 64 foot diameter steel tank with five stories and 350 ten inch portholes to let light in and to be able to see out of. The ground floor was a dining area and the top floor a gaming room for the rich and famous. The middle three floors contained a total of 36 double bedrooms, each with a private bath (hmmm, they could bathe in oxygen enriched water!) The entire hospital was air conditioned so that the temperature was 68-70 degrees and 65-68 percent relative humidity. Along with the spherical hospital was two tanks like Dr. Cunningham had built in Kansas City, a luxury hotel, a residence for Dr. Cunningham, and a building to house the huge air compressors and other equipment that supported the hospital. Like all hyperbaric chambers before it, it used only compressed air rather than 100% oxygen, since the building of facilities to make the latter was still in it's infancy and therefore the cost was prohibative. The normal treatment was a week in the hospital, at a pressure of 3 ATA (about 30 psig), and a week in the hotel, for as long as the symptoms dictated, both places decked out to the nines so the rich and famous would feel like they were in their own homes. Without going into detail about Dr. Cunningham's detractors, they were like some of the posts on this thread. They start with a flawed premise, embellish it with disinformation and hatred, accuse of not being properly tested and sanctioned by the AMA and ignore the thousands of patients each year that had benifited from the treatment- from the time Dr. Cunningham had built his first chamber in 1918. Going back two hundred fifty years before Cunningham, a guy named Henshaw in England built the first hyperbaric chamber (in 1662), more than a hundred years before oxygen was discovered by Priestly in 1771. By the middle of the 19th century there were scores of pneumatic chambers in Europe, from Stockholm to Paris, from London to Berlin- with medical reports and research to go with them. Without these there wouild have been no submarines in the Civil War and no Broklyn Bridge in 1879. The building of that bridge brought out the serious problem of Caisson Disease, now known as The Bends, which was not a problem of the therapy but rather a problem of the rate of decompression after the therapy. It was the same problem that turned the popularity of hyperbaric chambers in Europe into disrepute since they didn't know what the bends was and therefore didn't control the rate of decompression. Fortunately for Dr. Cunningham, he had access to the medical reports from the time hyperbaric chambers were popular in Europe and so knew about decompression sickness and compensated for it. When the East River Tunnels for the Pensylvania Railroad were built in 1909, there were 3,692 cases of decompression sickness reported from the building of them, 20 of which were fatal. Evidently many of the workers were in a hurry to get home after work and so cheated on decompression time. With all this "ancient" information, why is it that at the Greasespot Cafe in 2005 there are those who still want someone else to spend money on double blind studies and get published in AMA certified medical journals? By the way, thanks Krys for the link. Just the mention of 30,000 research papers already published on the subject should be enough to keep the nay-sayers busy for a long time- not that they will read any of them! I spent some two hours just going over the titles of the recommended reading list given there by Dr. Cranton. Anybody that wants to purchase any of these and send them to me is welcome to do so. My address is P.O. Box 17, Novelty, Ohio 44072. I'll do my best to report back what I learned (and Belle can continue to post about it being a boring subject since no one can stop her from doing so.) But regarding the Cleveland Sanitorium, it changed ownership in 1934 and was bought for a half million dollars. But the new owner could not make the payments and so Mr. Timken took it back and gave it to the Cahtolic Youth Organization. They sold it for scrap in 1942, supposedly for the "war effort"- price $25,000. And if you believe Cleveland ever had a shortage of iron ore or the blast furnaces to make steel from it, I'll sell you some ocean front property in Arizona- "war effort" indeed! Actually, the fellow who bought the hospital, and changed it's name to The Ohio Institute of Oxygen Therapy in 1934, was the son of the Remmington Rand president, and as a kid went through his mother dying as a consequence of flying in an airplane in spite of Dr. Cunningham's protestations. She had suffered from high blood pressure in her thirties and when her husband heard of "The Tank" in Kansas City, took her there for treatment. With her blood pressure lowered by the therapy she'd return home and go back when it again rose to life threatening levels. During one of these visits her husband flew out in an airplane he'd bought from Henry Ford and she couldn't wait to fly in her new present. Dr. Cunningham strongly advised against it, pointing out that in essence she was decending to an elevation of 5 miles below sea level in his chamber to get enough oxygen to lower her high blood pressure (the Tank was set at 20 psig) and now she wanted to immediately do the opposite and fly in an airplane. But she couldn't resist and never made it home. She died on a train after the airplane landed in Lima, Ohio. So her husband sent the 14 year old son to study as an apprentice with Dr. Cunningham. He later became an expert in hyperbaric therapy and was named Cleveland's Man of the Year in 1949 for his invention of shock therapy for cardiac arrest. The father also funded his alma mater, Harvard, with $100,000 to study hyperbaric therapy. And this all was before the second half of the twentieth century even began. So much for hyperbaric therapy and oxygenated water being "new".

My, my, what was it about my last post that caused the jerks to come out in full force? Was it the fact that I dared to quote scripture? Or maybe they figured I was calling them sluggards. Or maybe ants and oxygenated water are far to insignificant to talk about on this forum of unbelievers, no-names, and know-it-alls. It seems the decent folks are in the minority here, as in the rest of the world. And some wonder why I don't start or post to other threads, as if that's the unforgivable sin. Actually, the Apostle Paul talks about those who are dead in their trespasses and sins, without God and without hope in the world- which I presume is more insulting than merely saying there are some jerks around. Fact is that dead people really stink up the place and there appear to be more than a few on this site. They want to define the limits of the site and who can say what and where. But dead people never defined a thing for me, nor are they any threat to the living if properly burried or burned. Letting them lay around fermenting is a shame. So lest they think they ever have the last word on anything, a few more comments on the subject of oxygenated water for those who are not dead and actually have an interest in the subject- in spite of the stink allowed by a presumption that the unbeliever has an equal voice on this site. Bad presumption in my view but I can live with it. A friend of mine named Linda has not been in good health for a long time, starting maybe twenty years ago with a botched surgery on her eyes. She's been on beta blockers for a long time, had carotid artery surgery a few years ago, and the past year has suffered from frozen shoulder. Five or six months ago she started drinking the water I give to her and as a consequence does not feel faint headed and about ready to collapse when she gets out of bed in the morning or up from a chair during the day. At least not near as often. When it gets really bad she loses sight in half of one eye and knows she is close to having to be admitted to the hospital- at least that is what happened prior to her carotid atery surgery. She hasn't had that happen since starting to drink the water, and she drinks about three pounds a day of it, which is what the text books say is the normal needs of the body for water. The dead people around here will start cherping about the need for double blind studies but I could care less about that, or if they ever drink a drop of oxygenated water. I do care greatly about my friend Linda and am happy to report her findings. Some time ago I mentioned adding aetone to gasoline as a similar case of what a relatively large effect the addition of a pinch of this or that can have. Since it was only something I had read about and not yet tried out myself, I didn't say more about it. But since then I've gone through eight tankfuls of gasoline with various amounts of acetone added (1-3 oz. per 10 gallons of gasoline) and in my old Eagle Summit, with 100,000 miles on it, the results so far are an average of 10% better gas milage than I ever got before. Two of those tankfuls averaged almost 20% better milage. Turns out there was a patent issued on a similar mixture back in 1934 and so it is not new, just not generally known- for the same reasons oxygenated water, while not new, is also not generally known as to the mechanism of action. It seems there are too many dead people around spreading fear, insult and disease, even about something so harmless as adding acetone to gasoline or oxygen to water- not to mention oil companies not telling anyone exactly what is in their gasolines or bottled water companies not telling what's in their water. But the site I listed the link to cautions that adding too much acetone can lower gas milage and so finding the optimum gasoline to use and the optimum amount of acetone to add to it takes some effort- probably more than making your own oxygenated water. In the case of acetone added to gasoline, acetone by the gallon costs about $12, or 10 cents per ounce, (or 1 penny per gallon of gasoline in my case- which saves me 20 cents per gallon in less fuel usage when gasoline is $2 a gallon or over). That's not as good as the possible 40% increase in milage mentioned on the site referred to, but it sure beats zero. It's not a subject I want to discuss in any detail on this site, and how many people read this site that want to actually try it out on their car I don't know. But I do know that what works is real, regardless of the nay-sayers and wannabe experts, and their wanting me to spend my money to prove to them something that they have no interest in to begin with. The fact remains that the immune system works best at a partial oxygen pressure of 50-80 mm Hg and hemoglobin can only get it to 39 mm Hg at best. Ants and other insects have no lungs and yet get their oxygen requirements met with absorption through the skin and/or the water they drink. If that doesn't shut up the folks who harp on hemoglobin being the be-all and end-all of oxygen delivery, I don't know what will. They'll just continue to stink up the place with their nonsense. Best wishes to all who are living.

This is a nice fairy tale posted, along with a few out and out lies (like blood can only carry oxygen if it is attached to hemoglobin), by The Song Remains The Same. Judging from all his other posts on this thread one is led to conclude that his pen name should be The Noise Remains The Same. One can't even tell from his last post what words are his and what words are quoted from someone else. At one point I thought he might actually be a high school chemistry teacher, but his public profile says he's a Master Carpenter- looks like part of a demolition crew to me! So here's a link in keeping with Proverbs 6:6, "Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:" The link is to an anatomy of the ant site. Ants, like other insects, have no lungs and no hemoglobin. They do have a heart and the heart pumps a clear liquid through their bodies (the fraction of the blood we call plasma). From all the nay-sayer posts on this thread one would think that ants could not live because they have no hemoglobin to carry oxygen. Oops, seems that presumption is wrong because I've personally seen ants and no double blind studies are needed to prove that they exist, or even that Proverbs gives good counsel in suggesting that the study of ants might make one a little less stupid. For those who are research minded (not many have shown up on this thread so far it seems), open a warm bottle of Coke while holding an inverted glass over the top to catch the CO2 coming off. Then place the inverted glass over an ant and see how long he lives. You'll get more CO2 into the inverted glass if you shake up the warm Coke but you'll get liquid all over you and ruin the experiment if any of the liquid splatters over the glass (because you then won't know if it was the Coke that killed the ant or the lack of oxygen.) Now if you cool the bottle of Coke to 32 F before opening it, you probably won't get any CO2 coming off at all since all gasses work the same as oxygen, ie. the solubility of gasses in water increases as the temperature decreases, reaching a maximum at 32F. I assume that Coke only puts enough CO2 in the bottle to saturate it at 32 F. Why, even if you live in Nebraska, like Oakspur, and can't find any Penta Water, you surely can do this experiment (that assumes there is enough of a market in Nebraska for Coke to go after, if not Penta Water). And if you're a journalist like RAF, why you could even bleed pure oxygen into the inverted glass and see what happens to the ant when you place the glass over him. Naw, he won't do that because it might take a little work. He'll just report that the ant burped!