Bob

Massachusetts hasn't been hit hard by a hurricane in over a decade. Guess Yahweh approves of gay marriages... -->

Belle, It would seem someone has been influencing your beliefs. ;)-->

If you do an online people search, a person with the same name (including middle name) shows up as living in Arkansas, along with Montana. Didn't want to pay to get the details but if someone wants to go after him hard enough, shouldn't be too difficult. Try: http://www.peoplefinders.com/

You've been behaving on the forums, yes? :D-->

Screen just before previous:

Should look like this (notice the scroll bar along the profile fields):

Specific steps to change login name. Everyone should have permissions to do this: Be logged in On the blue menu line toward the top of the page, click GO Click My Space (should take you to your profile) You should see a short summary of your profile Click the "View/Edit Complete Profile" link on the RIGHT side of the screen. Under "Private Profile Fields" is a USERNAME field -- This is your login ID. Under "Public Profile Fields" (further down the page) is a DISPLAY NAME field, this is what is shown next to your posts as the poster name. Change the USERNAME field to be what you want displayed in the new forums. Change the DISPLAY NAME field to be blank (empty - which tells the software to use the USERNAME field for display) or the same as the USERNAME field (which has the same effect). Click the SUBMIT button at the bottom of the page. Be sure to remember what you put in USERNAME field. It is what you will use to log in with.

Sorry CW. Didn't intend to upset you. Are you saying this guy got out and went to New Hicksville to be on staff? Boggles the mind! Anyone want to volunteer and call them to see if he's there? :D-->

Offender Details - Mark Naberschnig"

RICHARD LEE URQUHART Apparently, he has not registered like he is supposed to. If you know where he is, report him.

Need some help Paw? I have quite a bit of experience with such things and a bit of time on my hands. Could probably help get rid of that week loss issue. If so, PT me.

Poor guy. Gets blamed for everything from world wars to losing good parking spots, but this is hitting below the belt.

Happy Anniversary Belle! Normally the ending of a marriage coupled with losing all those you thought were your friends (TWIts) is not an occasion to celebrate... ...but... When you go from slavery to freedom by standing up for yourself and earning it, celebrations are in order. Take it easy on the wine tonight though... ;)-->

Wonder how long it took him to come up with that analogy and which other ones he went through before he got to that. That alone should indicate a sociopath...sitting around thinking of ways to get into girls' pants that he knows dang well he shouldn't be. Or did he learn that from his "father in da filth"?

I contacted the owners of the site. While they appreciated the heads up on TWI, the site is not down for any TWI-related reasons. That's good news.

Picture this: A 3 year old girl, standing in a pit with the rest of her family. A stone is hurled at her, hitting her in the leg, cutting it open and breaking her bones. She screams in terror and pain. She starts yelling for mommy to please help her. She can't understand why they are doing this to her and her family. She looks up at her mother just in time to see a rock hit her in the head, cracking open her skull. Her eyes are full of terror. Finally, someone aims well enough to hit her in the head and put her out of her misery. What did she do to deserve this? Have a father who stole some gold and a God that knew she would grow up and reject Him? In this instance, I think I know more than the blood-thirsty Yahweh (or the KJV Jehova).

VP used the "he who sows sparingly..." stint in Corinthians to justify bringing in more cash from those he had duped. Since the O.T. minimum was 10%, then that was sparingly. Get it? I'm of the opinion that if God can feed 5,000 with only a loaf of bread and a few fishes, he can surely provide food, clothing, and shelter for those who want to "move the Word" full time. Why does He need to extract a tax on me to pay for their lifestyle? Also, if tithe/abs/giving is such a spiritual law, then where is the giving of the full-time man of God? Can't count his giving of his life for moving de word. He's being paid from the tithe tax pool for that.

Nah, it would only serve to increase their numbers. There are plenty of brainless people floating around who worhip these celebrities. If it's good enough for him, it's good enough for them.

No amount of rationalization, quoting of ancient texts, or anything else will ever convince me that murdering a young child or baby is justified, God's will, for the greater good, or anything else. A young child/baby has only 3 goals in life: grow, learn, and enjoy life. They possess (if you can get past that word) pure innocence. The fantasy that they will somehow grow up to repeat their father’s deeds, or be an antagonist against God, is utterly ludicrous. So what? Shouldn’t they be given the free will choice? Why are they condemned before they commit any wrong doing? I don't care if God or JC himself came down and threw the stones at them, or thrust a sword through their belly, or cut their heads off, or burned them alive. It is cold-blooded murder of an innocent person. The fact that people can justify these records in the "Holy Writ" is disturbing.

I don’t think it is so much a picking and choosing. TWI accepts the entire Old Testament as God’s words verbatim. It is, as with everyone else, their interpretation style and what they want it to say that has warped their brains. For example, all O.T. records are filtered through the N.T. If there are any discrepancies, the N.T. wins (which is an invalid research method and violates their own “first usage” technique). So when the O.T. condemns adultery, they can find something in the N.T. to cancel it out as in Paul’s letter to the Corinthians regarding marriage and that we are under no such laws (even this is a stretch). Supposedly, Paul was able to remain single and “lead about women.” Therefore, all adultery/fornication records in the O.T. must be referring to spiritual adultery/fornication, which can further be defined as worshiping other gods. If you could dig deep into the mind of VP or Craig, you would most likely find that their interpretation and teachings would almost always line up with what they thought it should be. For most people, it is clear as day that adultery is condemned by the Bible but, as with any religious writing, you can always find a way to get it to say what you think it should. Remember when it was a rare event that anyone was sent packing by TWI? But Craig found himself needing a way to justify getting rid of people on a whim. All of a sudden, Craig figured out what Paul meant when he said to “cast one over to Satan for the saving of the soul.” Roman’s “mark such a one and avoid them” became clear as day. The N.T.’s household records were tied into Zion of the O.T. It was easy now to see that God wants a clean household. It all lined up and validated what Craig was doing. Tithing is an example of the opposite. Both VP and Craig wanted money flowing into TWI. Yet, any honest reading of the Bible can show that tithing was an O.T. tax levied on Israel to support the Levities, who were not allowed to own land, farm, raise livestock, etc., but be dedicated to running the temple. The tithe was almost always what the people grew or raised, not money (if such a thing even existed then), and was only to support the Levities. The N.T. says nothing about tithing but only a reference to giving. Since TWI needs money so the upper-ups aren’t required to work a real job, this idea is transformed into a spiritual principle, even a spiritual law. The lack of records portraying a dedicated leadership in the first century, supported by tithing, or the fact that even modern day Jews do not tithe because there is no high priest or temple, is quietly dismissed. The examples are endless but the result the same. The Bible says anything you want it to say. Sometimes you have to twist it a bit more to get it to say it, but what you want is always there. It is also the natural tendency of the brain to ignore anything that contradicts what it already believes. Changing one’s beliefs requires an incentive, something that will benefit the individual, in order for the brain to start considering contrary information. Otherwise, considering contrary information becomes painful with the risk that one might find out they are wrong. No one wants to be wrong, to find out they have wasted part of their life being wrong. It is easier to just ignore it.

Actually, TWI would be doing much worse if it could get away with it. The only thing holding them back is the laws of the country they are in. If TWI were to become the official religion of any country, it would be no different than when Rome adopted Christianity or our modern day equivalent Islamic states. Torture and murder would be common place since it is required to enforce the will of God (or Allah, or whomever). I think Luis Buñuel said it best: "God and Country are an unbeatable team; they break all records for oppression and bloodshed."

From what I've seen, if the brain perceives that it is doing the right thing, it can justify anything. Even an act, that by itself would repulse even the least humane among us, can be justified as promoting what is right and is for the greater good. History is littered with examples. Germany under Hitler, suicidal cults, even our modern day Islamic suicide bombers. Those are extreme examples but lesser examples are a part of everyday life. I've been guilty of doing acts that I now abhor recalling its memory. But they were done because, at the time, it appeared to be the right thing to do and for the betterment of the other person. The sub conscience voice, repeatedly screaming "this is wrong," was silenced by the rationalization of the conscience which had built up this fantasy based on faulty information. I think the influence of the Old Testament plays a role also. It describes numerous atrocities that by themselves should repulse anyone. People, even women and children, being slaughtered for such minor infractions as having their home on the wrong piece of land. A wife and her children executed because the husband stole some goods from a conquered city. Is there not a book in the O.T. that does not contain such an event? Yet we are told that this is God's Word. This is what God willed. It was therefore the right thing to do. The mind rewires itself to ignore the natural disgust of such a thing to believe that an event done for God makes it right. When it comes to leaving your spouse for TWI, or marking and avoiding someone, or yelling at them, etc., it's easy to do because one knows that if it were not for JC and the new administration, the person would have been executed. They're actually getting off easy.

It is flat out wrong to publicly post a private conversation without consent. Where's the "report to moderator" link. That should be deleted followed by an apology.

TWI defines this as keeping God's word which is further defined as doing what TWI says. It's bull****, but my ex bought it.

Here's what I recall Craig saying about AOS and Staying Alive: Sometime in the late 70's / early 80's, TWI did a skit on the ROA stage about AOS. Supposedly, someone from Hollywood was in the audience watching, liked what he saw, and copied it for use in Staying Alive. Loy got ticked off when Staying Alive came out, said they copied their ROA skit. So Loy copied, verbatim, the Satan's Alley section for AOS. If anyone can be sued for copyright infringement, it would be TWI by the producers of Staying Alive.