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That's not what he said, Galen.

We pride ourselves on telling the other side of the story ABOUT TWI. Not "the other side of the story" about the shape of the earth. Not "the other side of the story" about the moon landing. Not "the other side of the story" about whether Sandy Hook or Parkland happened. On the legacy thread, if you want to defend the misinformation that prematurely killed John Lynn, NO ONE HAS STOPPED YOU FROM DOING SO,. On this thread it is out of place and you know it. Why don't you just admit that this thread was never about what's "cool" or about showing sensitivity for the grieving? It has always been about defending the anti-vax, anti-mask position from the role it played in John's death.

You said it well

I actually think TWI got Biblical abortion right. Whether they did it with a sincere motive is highly questionable. But the only scripture that specifically deals with abortion, explicitly, tells you how to perform one. It's bull**** of course, but still. It's hard to argue the God of the OT is a pro-lifer when he tells his clergy how to perform a ritual that results in the miscarriage of a baby conceived in adultery. Numbers 5.

"Strummin my pain with his fingers..."

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Now. I am not going to spend my entire Sunday defending science and public health against a crackpot fringe that wants to turn those things into political issues when they are not. If you want to honor JAL's legacy, there are two threads where that is fair game. If you want to complain about TWI character assassinations, feel free. But if you want to casually equate the two, pushback is fair game. Decide how you want to spend your Sunday.

But instead of discussing his legacy on the thread about his legacy, you started a whole new thread comparing people who discuss that one part of his legacy to THE WORST of TWI, then have a massive case of the vapors when it's pointed out, on topic, they are not the same thing. Top it off with the snti-vax viewpoint you just could not contain. Let's get this straight: there is a JAL legacy thread, and no one is stopping anyone from commenting on any aspect of his legacy. YOU chose to start this thread to rsk-tsk those who made a perfectly valid observation. No one made you do that, and to blame us for derailing the thread when you're the one who laid the tracks is disingenuous at best.

Well THAT didn't take long. This has nothing to do with respecting JAL's legacy and everything to do with stifling the observation that he spread the kind of misinformation that killed him. Wow.

1. No. That discussion fits perfectly fine on the legacy thread and here, for the reasons outlined. It really seems you want to have it both ways, indirectly criticizing what happened on the first thread by comparing it to the character assassination carried out in and by TWI. It is perfectly "on topic" to demonstrate how what happened on the legacy thread does NOT match the distasteful conduct described in the opening post. 2. Allan's post, for anyone reading, is deadly misinformation of the sort that encourages the spread of COVID, filling hospital beds and funeral homes across the country. JAL died spreading it. Masks work. Allan posted a link defending his view. Here's my link supporting mine. This thread is not about masks, but it was a fair response to the discussion. That sub-subject is now closed.

Not for a moment do I think it's fair game to go after grieving family members.

The discussions are inextricably linked. Generally speaking, if a person is going to make a public figure of himself [a term that has different meanings in different contexts], then we are talking about different standards for "privacy."

Also, let me follow up on something WW said: The misinformation he spread was NOT HARMLESS. Not harmless to the public in general and not harmless to JAL in particular. Let his legacy on that point be a warning.

I'll just say here what I said there: if be had promoted cigarettes and dismissed studies showing a link to disease and then died of lung cancer or COPD, the point would have been raised and there would not be a shred of controversy about it. In OUR community, JAL counts as a public figure. He's not being interviewed in that video because he was such a private fellow. Further, we are not debating or discussing his life choices. Had he kept them to himself, it would have been distasteful. JAL had a platform few of us have, and he used it to spread the kind of misinformation that is of a particular health risk to people in his medical situation. I cannot think of a set of circumstances that would make a public discussion of his *public* stance on this PUBLIC HEALTH issue MORE fair for comment here. He didn't keep his misinformation to himself. The fact that he mocked legitimate efforts to control the spread of an illness whose threat he minimized, AND that illness contributed to his premature death, is absolutely positively fair game. Let his legacy be a warning.

Finally catching up on Flash post-crisis season 6 and into season 7. Nice work. Haven't even started Stargirl

Hi Mike. Sorry I didn't see this sooner, but welcome!

The video demonstrates that John really did preach against masks, vaccines and social distancing. Assuming COVID did indeed contribute to his death, that would probably fall under irony. If I am going to be consistent, I have to say it's fair game for discussion. This is tricky, because for whatever reason, COVID has intersected with politics. We can't discuss one without discussing the other, and here at GSC we avoid political discussions. So how do we do it? JAL used his platform to spread misinformation. I'm sorry if that offends your politics, but it is reality. Masks work. Social distancing works. Vaccines work. John didn't believe that, and the disease killed him. I will consult with the other moderators about the extent to which we will permit GSC to be used to spread medical misinformation. In the past, we've debated such issues to the point of exhaustion. But this is not the same as a discussion over the health benefits of superoxygenated water, which is harmless. Misinformation about COVID kills people. Until the moderators reach a decision, comments on this thread will be approved before posting. After review, we're going to leave this thread up and allow people to discuss any aspect of JAL's legacy. This is not merely a memorial page. There is one that was set up in the proper forum. This thread will be renamed to reflect its "open" intent.

Or you could, you know, just ask him to correct his spelling. :)

BB King and Dan Aykroyd And John... Goodman, but not Belushi? Gotta be... Blues Brothers 2000

Ok, NOW I'm comfortable. But two more are forming. Somehow less worried, but that's premature.

Like how snuck "come home" in there? :)

Yes, laddie, the suspense is driving me barking mad.

Do we need to hound you for more clues? Well, after work tomorrow, when I come home, if no one else has guessed it, I might have an idea.

For those following along...