Raf

Jehovah's Witnesses definitely follow the Arian model (and they take the extra step of concluding that Jesus Christ and the archangel Michael are one and the same). Wouldn't that be a fun book: "Jesus Christ Is Not Michael." Aside from Wierwille, I know only of Anthony Buzzard continuing with the Socinian model. I have no idea how large "his" following is (I think it's called Reformation Ministries or something).

Did I imply otherwise? I thought I said the same thing: Wierwille could not adopt the Arian model because it affirms Christ's pre-birth existence. On a casual reading, I agree that Socinianism is the model Wierwille appears to have followed.

CES is promoting the Biblical Unitarian page and soliciting contributions for it on the CES home page.

I understand Wierwille's dilemma, though, Trefor. Once you've excluded Jesus as God, then you run into the trouble of Hebrews 1, in which he is explicitly excluded as an angel. If he's not God, and he's not an angel, then his existence began at birth. Had to. So the verses you cite become, in Wierwille's eyes (and my own), the difficult verses that must be interpreted in light of the clear. I'm not saying I can answer every question (or any question for that matter), but I can see very clearly why Wierwille would have to ditch the Arian model for something even more antithetical to the orthodox position.

I've heard this too. I don't know her, but my source wasn't sure if Claudette was leaving TWI or if she ws just leaving HQ.

I don't think Jeff has to reveal his CES connection to make anyone happy, least of all me. Let me explain my thinking process. First, I contribute regularly to CES. Not a huge amount of money, but I do contribute. Secondly, when I read the title of this thread and the initial post, I honestly thought we were being referred to something new and different. While I am duly impressed with the Web site (it's much more interesting than my own), I noticed right away that it had a very distinct CES flavor. I mean, everything about it screamed CES. I don't have a problem with that. I apologize, Jeff, if it looked like I was being confrontational.

I see what you're saying Jeff. CES had nothing to do with the development or implementation of that site. Nonetheless, the person who put it together is plainly sympathetic to CES (to the extent that every link leads to notes or articles either written by CES or available through CES). That's not the same as saying "this is a CES site." But if it WAS a CES site, I can't imagine it looking very different. :)-->

What suspicion? Of course it's Jeff from CES. I guess when I saw the topic name, I thought Jeff was pointing out a new web site independent of CES or other TWI offshoots. But when you look at the site, it's got CES fingerprints all over the place. Again, not that there's anything wrong with that.

I didn't get a chance to implement any of this great advice yesterday. I'm figuring first I'll get someone to tranlsate it into English for me. :)--> But I appreciate the advice and I'll let you know how it goes when I get to it.

Except, academically speaking, Wierwille's book is, to use the technical term: a joke. Hey Jeff, not to take away from the site (which looks great), but... I'll be my next year's salary that it was put up by someone deeply involved with CES.

As for the video card and mouse... ??????

I'm using XP. It was hard to find that AIM command, but I did find it. I'll keep Zone Alarm up at startup, since I actually want that up all the time (it's a firewall, for anyone lurking).

This isn't it. There has to be something else. AIM starts up whenever I turn on my computer, but it's not on the list of those programs. It's got to be something else.

Di I have to create a holding folder?

I went to the movies and gave them $5 just so that I WOULDN'T have to see About Schmidt or the Kathy Bates nude scene. Then again, I wasted hard earned cash on Spy Kids 3-D. Should have given THAT money to the church. :)-->

Hey guys. I hope someone can help me with this. My computer takes forever to start. I think it's because everytime I start the computer, it loads program after program after program. I know there's a way to control what programs come on at startup, but danged if I can find it. Help?

Originally published in the book, "A Few Minutes With Andy Rooney." This may have actually been broadcast. I don't know. All of use who work in television news are constantly being accused of emphasizing the negative side of everything. We get letters saying we never cover a story unless something terrible happends. Tonight we've put together a little news broadcast to give you an idea of how it would look if you had it your way. "I'm here by the Mississippi. It's raining but the river is not overflowing its banks. "As a matter of fact, it doesn't look to me as though there's any danger of a flood whatsoever. People are not piling up sandbags. No one has been forced to evacuate his home and the Governor has not asked that this be declared a federal disaster area." "O'Hare Airport in Chicago is one of the nation's busiest. At 11 A.M., a jet aircraft with 168 passengers and ten crew members on board started down the long runway. The plane, headed for London, took off without incident. It landed without incident too. Everyone on board is now in London. "One passenger on board that plane was quoted as saying he didn't like the fake milk they served with the coffee." "For a report from New York City we take you to our correspondent standing in front of the Plaza, one of the New York City's most luxurious hotels. "This is the Plaza, one of New York City's most luxurious hotels. CBS News has learned that last evening, after a night on the town, the Shah of Franakapan and his semi-beautiful wife returned to their hotel suite after depositing more than a million dollars' worth of jewelry in the hotel safe. The jewels included the famous Cooch Behar Diamond. "This morning, when the safe was opened, all the jewelry including the famous Cooch Behar Diamond was right there where they'd left it." "In Florida, the orange crop was hit by another night of average weather. "The oranges just hung in there and grew." "Oil industry officials announced today they were lowering prices because they just don't need the money. One reason for their affluence is their safety records. "The oil tanks behind me are very close to a residential area. If they were on fire, smoke would be seen billowing up for miles around. They aren't on fire, though; they're just sitting there." "In Detroit, a General Motors spokesman announced today that more than 174,000 Chevrolets made in the late fall of 1974 would not be recalled. They are all perfect. "At eleven-thirty this evening, CBS News will present a special report listing the serial numbers of those cars." And if that's what you want to hear, that's the way it was. Good evening. [This message was edited by Rafael 1969 on August 16, 2003 at 16:23.]

THE. Oh...no. It just won't DIE. Spock, find me a green woman.

A talking Bill Clinton doll. Naturally. Even the fake ones won't shut up.

That's funny. The only Bill Clinton dolls are at adult video stores.

You know, I really loved the Muppet Christmas Carol. Relatively recent Disney movies that are aging well: Beauty and the Beast The Lion King The Little Mermaid Recent Disney movie that are sort of aging well, with some disqualifying anachronisms: Aladdin Recent Disney movies that not only did not age well, but weren't all that good to begin with: Pocahontas The Hunchback of Notre Dame Hercules

Way to go Walker!

Ok, why is this in the birthdays and anniversaries forum? Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit excedrin cocktails.

I was just trying to make sure people think outside the box. Which is cool, because by (cue the dramatic music) defying me, you thought outside the box. I understand what you're saying about Citizen Kane. I can't sit through The English Patient. I'm also kind of sorry to say that The Neverending Story gets more preposterous every time I see it. On the other hand, if I had to relive one day, I would be torn between Ferris Beuller's Day Off and Groundhog Day. I have to say that Groundhog Day did something remarkable: not only was it a decent and memorable comedy, but it totally redefined "Groundhog Day." It used to mean Feb. 2, but now it means a things that should change, but don't (like the Democratic Party campaign strategy or the Republican Party economic strategy).

I got a chance to read the verse in its context. I think we've each snagged a bit of the truth in this. Yes, this was obedience. But the knowledge of what this was going to accomplish, including his own future, seems to also have been a motivator. As for the movie, I don't know if it will glorify him or not. It seems to be the motive of the filmmaker. Will it glorify Christ any less than some of the art that has been created through the centuries? I don't know. Tell you what: let's ask him!