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Hebrews 1 makes it pretty clear that Jesus was not an angel. If he's not an angel and not God, how could he have existed before his birth?

I want to say thank you to those who have spoken up positively about the class. I never took it, so I've often wondered about its contents. Reading the accounts on this thread, I'd say I was better off without it. But at least I know it wasn't a TOTAL waste of time.

Someone's looking for this thread. It's here.

Sorry, I forgot about the typhoon thing. Silly me, I was just sitting there thinking, "this is a MOVIE. No one really died in a typhoon." Anyway, I found the movie enjoyable and quite forgettable, so I won't defend it too much. :)-->

Excy, of course, is wrong. Because in I Wierwille 23:21, it says there are no coincidences, therefore, she did not just stumble in here. She was meant to be here.

The other option is that it really DOES have mathematical exactness and scientific precision: the problem is we're all unfit researchers so driven by our contempt for Wierwille that we can't see it. So when Wierwille gives the EXACT SAME definition for "all without distinction" as he does for "all WITH distinction," we're not supposed to notice. When Wierwille writes that God had no pronounceable name, we're supposed to ignore the fact that many of the patriarchs before Moses used the name "Yahweh" when referring to God. The evidence is wrong. Wierwille is right. Get your priorities straight, people.

The above list was the springboard for discussion, and was tweaked. A more complete list is right here.

Here's what I got out of this thread and this project: 1. There are numerous indisputable actual honest to God you have to have your head up somewhere it doesn't anatomically belong not to see it errors in the PFAL books. There are even more in the class. 2. Some of those errors are, in the grand scheme of things, minor and irrelevant. 3. Some of those errors are fairly important, as they have far-reaching implications. 4. Some of the errors fall into the category of "baseless speculation." 5. There is no debate as to whether there ARE errors in PFAL. The only debate is whether PFAL's errors are DISPUTABLE. I may dispute with Steve on dispensationalism, having (still!) not made up my mind on the issue. I may dispute with Def on whether or not Jesus is God. Many of us understand the flaws in "the law of believing," but it's not included on this list as an "actual error" because we can all agree that its status as an error is disputable. But the TRUTH that there are errors in PFAL is indisputable. It is the word of man, and by its own definition and criteria, NOT the Word of God.

Both Fair and Graham are listed as contributors to Billy Falcon's mainstream CD's. Billy Falcon

Kit, The name of the movie is "Frequency." Fascinating film. Dennis Quaid plays his father. It's a terrific twist on the time travel genre. An unusual occurrence of the aurora borealis opens up a communication via ham radio between a NYC cop (Cazaviel) in 1999 and his father (Quaid), a NYC firefighter in 1969. Junior must decide whether (and how) to warn his father about dad's impending, preventable death. And dad has to decide whether to believe a voice on the other end of the radio who claims to be his grown up son. One major key: they're both Mets fans. Excellent, excellent movie. Well acted, nicely scripted, and fun.

Wow. I forgot about this thread. Thanks Kit.

Friggin aliens.

"You're scary sometimes. You know that, don't you? Brilliant. But scary."

What happens when the refresh rate is too fast?

I've heard today is the day. Yup, that's what I've heard.

I'll do that tonight (I just got into work). I disabled Messenger (I think) but I couldn't find that other program, the NVidia one. I also changed the monitor refresh rate, although I can't imagine what that does.

I'm not using a stopwatch, so I don't know for sure. I use broadband.

You know, once I got the AIM turned off, startup has been a lot easier. I kept Zone Alarm, but I haven't even revisited this thread to implement some of these neat ideas. I'll try a few tonight.

And if you park your car in your living room with a big screen tv and really loud speakers, it'll almost be like a drive-in. This is a thread about drive ins, right? What's the plural of drive in? Should it be drives in?

Eradication as a form of theological debate. Interesting.

You can get a DVD/VHS player for less than $100 if you shop around, and certainly for less than $200.

I'll have to rent The Two Towers, as I am holding out for the extended DVD release in November. As for drive-ins, I think I'll head to one this weekend. Should be fun. Maybe I'll be able to catch Freddy v. Jason!

Jeff, There's no reason to regret starting this thread. I certainly haven't meant to imply any kind of CES "conspiracy" behind the thread or the new web site. Conspiracy implies secrecy, and I don't see anything secretive about the connection between biblicalunitarian.com and CES.

CES most definitely embraces what VPW taught: see the web site that is the subject of this thread: Biblical Unitarian CES is promoting this site on its Web page and in mailings, and the site itself makes numerous references to CES materials. As for Mormons: most of mainstream Christianity identifies Jesus with Jehovah. I hesitate to say "all" only because I was taught it grade school never to use absolutes. Yes, I see the irony.