Raf

Hate to burst your bubble, everyone, but I checked snopes.com and evidently... Well, evidently they have nothing to say about this thread. Where'd I put my glasses?

I know Jesus. I've talked to Jesus. Jesus is my savior. Smikeol, you're no Jesus.

Mike, You're no longer worth arguing with. Your crackpot conclusions are exposed to all but the willingly idolatrous. Your methods are dishonest, your reading comprehension non-existent, and your reasonings ludicrous. Watching you and those who would encourage you discuss The Word of God is like watching Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles compete at a game of darts.

IF PFAL is God-breathed, THEN PFAL is correct about the characteristics of written work that is God-breathed. IF PFAL is correct about the characteristics of written work that is God-breathed, THEN written work that is God-breathed will contain no errors or contradictions. IF PFAL is God-breathed, THEN PFAL will contain no errors or contradictions. PFAL contains errors and contradictions. One example of a blatant error: "There was no pronounceable name for the true God, in contrast to pagan gods who were always called by name." (from Jesus Christ is Not God). That statement is plain wrong. Period. The true God was called by name, often. Out loud. Which means it was pronounceable. Wierwille was wrong. Contradiction: "All without distinction means all within a certain category." (PFAL) "All WITH distinction means all within a certain category." (Jesus Christ is Not God). SINCE PFAL contains both an error and a contradiction (neither of which is a typo), THEN PFAL is not God-breathed. Dodge, distract, witness if you can but never admit an error or a contradiction is an error or a contradiction. xxxxxx After I posted this, I've been reading some of the items you posted this weekend, Mike. Umm, they're stupid. I mean flat out stupid. Not worthy of the time or effort you're putting into them. How did Jesus get born again? When did he get faith since it wasn't available until after Pentecost (news flash: faith was available before Pentecost. Difficult verses in light of the clear, remember?) Jesus teaching out of a PFAL book? This is madness, Mike. Not worthy of debate. Sheer and utter stupidity. [This message was edited by Rafael 1969 on March 09, 2004 at 11:56.]

Ah-cause. Good enough reason for me.

Ralph, Your contribution will never be forgotten. $17,343.22. Heh heh. Umm, okay, so that wasn't funny. I'll go back to my corner and shut up now. Meanwhile, you go have a happy birthday. Raf (not to be confused with Ralph).

These lists should be required to come with sources. This list comes out every year. That headline is on the list EVERY YEAR. From snopes, of course.

Victor Paul Wierwille NEVER taught that God had sex with Mary. Here's what he said... Creating a sperm in a fallopian tube does NOT mean God had sex with Mary. JCOP p. 158. I can't find my copy of The Word's Way, but he does not say in that book that God had sex with Mary. Wierwille taught enough things inaccurately without having to buy into the hysterical claims of anti-cultists who wouldn't believe VPW if he said "good morning."

Mike, No one's crying. No one's stomping their feet. You're an idolater. I feel sorry for you. You're missing out on so much by cluthing to your little orange idol. Jesus will be teaching out of PFAL? You've seen this? Yeah, right. David Berkowitz saw his dog talking to him. Doesn't make it true. You can cry all you want, insist the earth shook where Wierwille walked, that he told the truth about snowstorms that didn't happen, that he was a paragon of brains (yeah right) and brawn (yeah right). You can insist that there are no errors in the PFAL materials, and dodge, distract and deny when they are pointed out to you in black and white. Doesn't make it true. You've wasted your life. You're a sad parody of a believer. You've built a house on sinking sand and you're trying to get us to rent a room.

Thoughtful dissent was exhausted? When did that happen? Oh, I remember, it was when we all posted thoughtful dissent and you, rather than address those thoughts, attacked the messengers as unfit researchers, et al. Does your hypocrisy know no bounds?

The verses are handled in Jesus Christ Our Passover, which claims verses 52 and 53 are interpolations. A couple of manuscripts omit them, and its a pretty significant event not to be mentioned ever again by the other gospel writers or Acts. On the other hand, none of the other gospel writers or Acts ever mentions Lazarus, so who's to say?

Snootch! I feel like I'm Han Solo, you're Chewie, she's Ben Kenobi and we're in that @#$%! up bar!

Ah, yes, of course. Thank you.

I meant to say that Bilbo was too young to have Ian Holm play him. My bad.

Linda, Can you document that? I'm trying to find the grammatical rule governing that sentence, but can't figure it out. Best as I can see, it should be, "two years are up," unless it's "two year time period is up." The question is, what is the verb agreeing with? If it's agreeing with "years," it should be "are," no?

My bet is Ian Holm would be considered too young to play Bilbo (I know, I know, "you haven't aged a day..." Still...)

A resolution at Isengard was filmed, but it was considered too long for the end of The Two Towers, and not relevant enough for the beginning of Return of the King. Expect the beginning of the movie to be a bit longer in the extended addition (sic).

Excellent point.

I hear he's going to use a farm in New Knoxville.

Another possibility: Three Days A dramatization of (to use the traditional model) the rest of Good Friday (following the crucifixion), the Saturday after, and Easter Sunday. Doesn't have to be "100% bona fide Biblically accurate," just interesting (and try not to actually CONTRADICT scripture, if you don't mind).

I was actually in the theater watching Return of the King (third time) while it was being named best picture at the Oscars. 11 nominations, 11 awards. A clean sweep has not been accomplished since "The Last Emperor," so kudos to Peter Jackson and company (and kudos to Oscar for FINALLY awarding Best Picture to a fantasy film). I still think Fellowship of the Ring was robbed.

Thanks for the recap. [Note: I pointed out an error in Mike's recap, which he fixed. He refers to that error below. It's not important].

I find those words surprising, Ana, but to each his own. After all, VPW never bad-mouthed anyone. Never had a negative thing to say about anyone. And was never critical of other people's doctrines. He was a wonderful example of tolerance and non-judgmentalism.

A very powerful movie. When it was over my friend and I sat still through most of the credits. When most of the audience had left, we got up and headed toward the exit. There's a hallway that leads from the front of the theater to the exit, which is in the back of the theater. Halfway through that hallway I stopped and sobbed like an infant. I don't know if I'll ever have a movie experience quite like that again.

I don't know, Jonny. I can't speak for them. The movie is not doctrinal, it's devotional. It's not for learning, but for feeling. I can imagine someone being so moved by Jesus' commitment and perseverance that he would want to know what Christ taught and believed, but that's just speculating.