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And then, of course, there was always the party in the pastor's room. But that was waaaaaay after TWI.

WW would never badmouth me behind my back. To my face, totally different story. :)-->

OMG, Engine posted. And the sun turned to darkness, and the moon...

Of course not! We're talking about the man who invented the breathalyzer!

Did his eyelashes actually hit you? They've been known to do quite a bit of damage to people sitting as much as six yards away.

Excy, click the link. There was an off-color rap song a few years back called "OPP." It stands for "Other People's" umm, girlfriends. Or boyfriends. The song spells it out.

I thought it meant Other People's P*****

Word Wolf and I were always mistaken for brothers (physical). If I had thought of it at the time, I would have said we are: we just have different mothers. And fathers. But one Father. O'Malley. At St. Raymond's R.C. Church.

Word Wolf left the Bronx? And Manhattan? Wow.

Let's see if I've got this straight, oldiesman. You're going to call the guy up and ask him if he's privately interpreting the scriptures. And you expect him to answer... what, exactly? Why don't you call up all those folks who are danged certain they've interpreted John 1 correctly? Why is their word unreliable on John 1, but Rabbi Petasnik is reliable on the Exodus verses? Since when do you leave Biblical interpretation up to "the experts?" Was that a PFAL key that I missed? "Find out what the rabbis think?" Look uo the history of the word "miscarriage." It didn't always mean the child died. The verse doesn't say "miscarriage." It says "that her fruit depart from her." It could depart from her alive (no harm follows - penalty: a fine) or it could depart from her dead (harm follows by definition). If you disagree with me, fine. You're entitled. But don't ask me to accept men's opinion just because he's got the title "rabbi." Or MOG. You disagree with me. Afford me the right to disagree with you, the rabbi and Victor Paul Wierwille.

Oldiesman, As an appreciator of PFAL, you should know better than to post "so-and-so says that's what it means" and expect that to carry any weight. Plenty of rabbis and Christian teachers interpret that verse precisely the opposite of the way Petasnik does. What does it get you? Nothing. Men's opinion. I reject his opinion. It is inconsistent with the way the word is used in multiple other instances. His opinion is interesting, but in and of itself is devoid of authority. Mo, sorry for your loss. God Bless You (He loves you and always has).

Tom, It's really him. Paw wouldn't allow someone to just sign up with that identity.

Blaughck This is why I don't go by the name "ralph." Ralph is a verb!

I think tone is a hard thing to capture on a message board. I couldn't tell if your apology was "sincere" or not, if it was "heartfelt" or not. It's really not my call to make. I can tell you what it felt like as a reader: I think your earlier comment/admission was much easier to be entreated than the apology itself. Again, I'm not judging your heart; just the way words appear on a web page, which is a far more difficult thing to do. Words on a web page don't always convey the heart of the speaker. If you really are sorry you said what you did, then you've done your part, IMO. I don't know if Imbus will accept your apology or not. My guess is that before anyone will accept an apology, they want to know that it was sincere and heartfelt. And that's a real hard thing to convey.

Oh, let's see... Dylan McDermott on The Practice. Camryn Manheim on The Practice. The guy who plays Eugene on The Practice. The guy who plays Jimmy the Grunt on The Practice. The lead actor on Smallville The entire cast of Enterprise. Patricia Heaton and that tall goofy guy on Everybody Loves Raymond.

Like pulling healthy teeth from an Osmond, with a pair of chopsticks.

I'll take the "nagging" jab. So, if your words were condescending and unnecessary, then do you see now why you might owe...

True. No one said the PFAL teaching was an explicit endorsement of adultery. The PFAL teaching failed to adequately condemn the adultery. That's been said. There was an absence of sound teaching on matters of sex, particularly adultery, in TWI. That's been said. Someone got fired just for saying adultery was wrong in every administration. That's been said. People TWISTED the Bible and the PFAL passage in question in order to justify their misbehavior and adultery. That's been said. But Oldiesman figures if he didn't twist the teaching, then no one did. That's a foolish position to take, given the weight of the evidence against it.

Sure, you acknowledge that there was abuse going on. You just refuse to acknowledge any actual incidents of abuse. Let someone talk about the abuse that was going on, on a personal level, and all you can do is remind that person what a sinner she is. Well done.

No apology will be forthcoming, Oldiesman.

Two things, Accuser II: 1. Reminding Imbus that it was adultery was callous and unnecessary, given that she already expressed that this was entirely wrong and inappropriate behavior. There was no need for you to come in and ASK her if she recognized this was adultery. Your question was demeaning, condemnatory and unnecessary and she deserves an apology. 2. On numerous occasions you have stated that she refuses to accept responsibility for her actions. She has accepted responsibility for her actions. You accused her of this, falsely. You owe her an apology. And let me add a third thing: you're being a stubborn fool, insisting that she said what she didn't say, insisting that she didn't acknowledge what she did, and continuing to act as if you have the moral high ground, just like the Pharisees who dragged the woman caught in adultery before the Lord. Did Jesus kneel down to her and say, "Now, woman, you do recognize that what you did was adultery, don't you?" No, he did not do that. And do you know why? He assumed she already knew that. You could have assumed that Imbus already knew that. Instead you were a condescending jerk.

So now you're blaming people's hatred of VPW for your callous, heartless, unnecessary and inappropriate condemnatioon of Imbus? Horsehockey. No one said Imbus didn't sin. Imbus didn't say Imbus didn't sin. YOU had nothing better to do than call her a sinner, deflecting from the whole point of the thread. Gimme an A! Gimme a P! Gimme an OLOGIZE! What does it SPELL?

Oldiesman, I want you to read this very very carefully. No one said what Imbus did was not sin - least of all Imbus. No one needed your help identifying sin. You were out of line. Apologize already.

One Sunday morning, the pastor noticed little Alex was staring up at the large plaque that hung in the foyer of the church. It was covered with names, and small American flags were mounted on either side of it. The seven year old had been staring at the plaque for some time, so the pastor walked up, stood beside the little boy, and said quietly, "Good morning, Alex." "Good morning, Pastor," replied the young man, still focused on the plaque. "Pastor, what is this?" "Well, son, it's a memorial to all the young men and women who died in the service." Soberly, they stood together, staring at the large plaque. Little Alex's voice was barely audible, trembling with fear, when he asked, "Which service; the 9:45 or the 11:15?"

Still blaming the girl, Oldiesman? Why not take responsibility for your actions? Why don't you stop blaming the girl? This is about YOU after all. You're the fornicator who won't accept responsibility for your actions. Own up and accept some responsibility! (You know, this is stupid, right? You just said you accepted responsibility, but I'm harping on you blaming the girl. Not fair, is it, when I only read part of what you say and ignore the rest. Just like it's not fair that you ignore Imbus' remorse and instead focus in on your usurped role as her Accuser.)