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Paw did it for me. What happened was, I re-registered under the new name, but Paw was able to just go in and change the old name. Made life a lot easier. PFALBMO: (Yeah, I can see why you might want to change that :)-->) You only have six posts to date. If you have an alternative e-mail address, I would recommend that you just re-register under the new name that you want, confirm it, and start posting away.

Shouldn't it be: THE, Lord of the Peeps ?

Me too. But "hope" and "expect" are two different things. Diazbro, I know you didn't address your post to me, but mind if I take a crack at it? There are some common sense differences between Pat's claim and TWIM's. TWIM arguably came to use the name "The Way International" without ever having heard of TWI and with no intent to lead anyone away from TWI. Pat cannot say the same thing. Pat is not The Way International. TWI is. So is TWIM. TWI and TWIM have a reasonable fight: it's inarguable. Say what you want, Pat's fight with TWI is (if nothing else) arguable. Pat is acting pro se and blabbing his strategy all over the Internet. TWIM is using lawyers and limiting its discussion to court filings. Let's not make this thread about Pat, please. This thread is about TWIM v. TWI, and we should keep it on that subject. I thought I wrote this before, but maybe I didn't post it: My objection to Pat's fight was that Pat is not The Way International, but TWI is. Well, TWIM is The Way International. So is TWI. Let them fight it out. Pat, See? We can agree on something!

I've heard conflicting accounts, but most agree that the ee will be released in November. I was expecting it to be out in August for some reason.

Since 2002.

I told you, you would probably do just fine to quote the Geer book. Doesn't that book have an intro explaining that some of these were articles which appeared in The Way Magazine?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

My God, do you know what this means? It means these guys (The Other Way International:)-->) have done more of God's Word in two years than that Ohio wannabe cult has done in 60. That's Power For Abundant Giving, baby!

Yeah, what the ™ happened to that thread, anyway?

Actually, that part strains credibility. You cannot tell from an internet search how many organizations use the words "The Way" in their names, as opposed to somewhere in the copy on the site. For example, a web site about a buzz saw might talk about improving the way you cut wood. Or something. I kind of feel like that cab driver right before the climactic battle in Superman II. "Man, this is gonna be good!"

Interesting indeed.

Insurgent, That song is too good to quote only in part. If others will forgive the digression, here are the complete lyrics to "Nothing," from A Chorus Line.

I should make it clear that I'm quoting from the Our Times book referenced in the first post on this thread. I do not have the article and do not know when it was published. Pat: for your needs, the book may be enough to establish that Wierwille actually wrote this. TWI never challenged it, and it was published by The Way, albeit indirectly (The Way in Great Britain while it was under Geer's control).

Someone else was quoting from it earlier. It begins:

Dot Matrix, you ROCK!

Jon, when you're posting, click on "URL" (above the text box). There's two boxes. One is for the actual URL, and the other is for whatever it is you'd like to type there. You can type anything, including thewayinternationalsucks.com

Here's my rabbit's worth: What is the real purpose of this website? To tell the truth about TWI, warts and all. To share and compare experiences, find old friends, and make new ones. To provide substantiation for some rumors and to debunk others. And occasionally to get silly. Would you like some coffee? All I see is bashing, slamming and cut downs. You're not looking very hard at all. Check out the doctrinal section, where serious debates and discussions about doctrinal issues take place. Try the prayer room: some people would appreciate some prayer. Politics your game? Bush lovers and Bush bashers love to clash swords over politics. If this ministry was really that bad why continue to talk about it? Because there are still some people who refuse to believe it is bad. And we welcome them, but we tend to get riled up when people say "everything's fine" or "everything was fine." Because it's not. And it wasn't. While good things were happening on the surface, other things were happening behind closed doors. People were abused. Lives were ruined. In God's name. I know if I had a bad experience with a group (which I have) I might talk about for a little bit, but then its history! Why the constant talk? Hey, bully for you, dude! I'm happy for you. Really. I wasn't hurt at all by TWI. Not in the slightest. Saddened, but not hurt. So when I realized there was an on-line community of people who shared this particular experience, I was happy. And the more I learned about them, the more I appreciated the different directions their lives took. I don't know, it's just interesting. Don't people interest you? And you didn't ask this one, but I'm going to answer it anyway: Don't you have better things to do? Yes. And I do them. All the time. I run my own Web site. I see movies (Young Adam: don't bother). I write for a newspaper. I'm a karaoke freak. I read my Bible and other articles of Biblical interest. I vote. Heck, I do all sorts of stuffs. And on slow moments during the day, or when I'm at home relaxing, I sometimes come here to talk to interesting people such as yourself. I had to leave the cream and sugar on the side, since you didn't tell me how you take your coffee. Drink up. And again, welcome.

John: He Word Wolf got his "Johns" mixed up. He meant Igotout (whose name is Jon).

How many people were told that "researching" meant "re-searching" the searches that had already been done, by VP? GAD that ticked me off.

Well, what's the site?

If you spend time scouring books looking for "actual errors," you might be in an Internet cult.

We are very close to agreement. I haven't said that they are helpless or hopeless. I have said that they are victims of the abuse of power. Whether motivated by fear, misplaced love, deception, or a host of other psychological influences, they chose not to break the cycle. I use the word "choice" a little loosely in this context. I think a lot of them felt they had no choice. A lot of them felt that succumbing was better than the alternative: loss of family, friends, fellowship, reputation, status, or whatever. And again, to be clear, for those who were drugged against their will or knowledge, there's not even a question of their "culpability." They were raped, by anyone's definition. But that's another issue. Look at how excathedra put it: Who are we to come to her now and tell her to "own up" to her role? She spent years in that self-condemnation, and we do her a disservice when we tell her to "take responsibility." Not because she hasn't, but because she has. The same thing happened when imbus told her story on another thread. The first thing she was hit with was, "do you see how you committed adultery too?" As if she didn't realize that! As if that sin didn't burden her heart for years! As if she needed us to tell her what she did was wrong! She didn't need it. We talk about doing a disservice when we recognize that victims were victimized: Let me turn that around. We do these women a disservice when, by our words, we seek to place them back in the same self-condemnation from which they've finally begun to recover. And that's what happens when we tell them "own up," "take responsibility," "you sinned." They know that. They don't need a refresher course. Cycles of abuse can be interrupted. But we're not dealing with cases in which they were. Can we remember for a second that this stuff actually happened to real human beings, some of whom are reading this? They know that cycles of abuse can be interrupted, now. They didn't even know they were being abused then. A little perspective is in order. They weren't helpless. They weren't hopeless. They know that now. They did not know that then. In the context of this discussion (as far as I see it) what they know now is irrelevant. Only what they knew then counts toward the point of the abuse of power. Maybe I'm wrong about the issue of relevancy. I've tried hard to make a case for my position. You've done a fine job of offering a counterpoint/rebuttal. Maybe we're not completely seeing eye to eye on this particular matter, but we don't necessarily have to. I truly appreciate the dialogue. Incidentally, I don't recall if I said this before, but look at my posts on the thread called "How much authority did TWI have over you." I think you'll find we're not really all that far apart.

Welcome Mr. Moonlight. I'm sure no one needs to tell you, but just in case: please be careful posting. You don't want to give anyone tips as to your identity or location. You're in my prayers, and I'm sure a few others' too. By the way, you're also in my seat. But I'll make an exception. This time. :)--> Coffee?

People across the country and around the world celebrate with you... Even aliens.

Here's one site. Here's another. Not a lot of detail here. Here's a third. I'd also recommend checking out the amazon.com entry for this book, as people have weighed in on the subject. I recall reading an old piece of literature... That's a joke. Actually, I recall reading a NY Times article that went into some detail ont he subject: but it's in the Times archives now and, frankly, I don't feel like spending money to retrieve it. :)-->