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This one is almost amusing. This dispatch from Mobile, Alabamie.

The title of this thread is screwed up. It says "A friend of mine thinks ExCathedra is hot." That implies it's a matter of opinion and that it may or may not be true. It should more accurately read, in the literal translation according to that's-the-fact-Jack, "A friend of mine acknowledges the undeniable truth that ExCathedra is hot." You'd better believe it.

Can't see it. Can someone offer a brief description?

I'm trying to remember my history. I found the CES site about the same time I found Waydale, but I think CES had a forum up before Waydale did. I eventually joined both, but was an infrequent poster on Waydale. I was more a CES site junkie (some GREAT stuff on that board). Then, of course, came the fateful day that THE CES board closed down, and I jumped on Waydale to tell everyone. We all know what happen THEn. After that I was into Waydale. I didn't jump to Greasespot until Waydale closed.

Thanks. I don't remember the Bayunga uprising being a part of POP. Then, I am grateful to say, I lost my copy of that rag ages ago and have not downloaded a new copy even though it's widely available.

Flat Stanley has arrived in sunny Fort Lauderdale (and it really is sunny, and cool). I took him to "Old Fort Lauderdale," our historic district, this morning. Our historic district consists of about five or six houses built between 1900-1920. Some history. Anyway, we're going postcard shopping later and then he's headed for Tampa.

Rick! Where've you been!?! E-mail me.

If Posh Spice was at the Nativity, I don't think anyone would have called her the VIRGIN Mary.

What predictions?

He's 84. There are nine cast members left. All munchkins.

I don't think I can do that (it's work product, property of my paper).

No, but I do have a tape of him singing the song. :)-->

I'll check my mail as soon as I get home. I haven't gotten it yet, but I haven't checked the mail for a few days (last week of the semester: tres busy).

I love my job. I just got back from an interview with Jerry Maren. He's the one in the middle.

:)--> Or as I've put it: Death is not caused when someone stops believing. It is caused when someone stops breathing.

Dave, and everyone else: Let's try a completely different approach. Make your cases without referring to Wierwille as a person (you may refer to what he wrote, but not to his motives, behavior, education, etc). Let's see if the framework of administrations really holds up to scrutiny, with or without Wierwille. Great start from VL in the post immediately preceding this one.

Dave, I wouldn't expect you to write about where Crowley was right and where he was wrong, for two reasons. One: he is not the leader of the Baptists. He's a low man on the totem pole, and writing about his accuracy would be like writing about the accuracy of the average "twig" coordinator. Two: Crowley didn't set out to craft a unique subset of believers who would exalt him as the man of God for our time, and use and abuse the Bible in the process. Wierwille did, to devastating effect. For the past few years it's been my belief that Wierwille did some pretty bad things, and if I am going to value the things I was taught, it has to be independent of that man. I will not defend him, nor will I dismiss the things he taught merely because he taught them. However, if I determine that he was wrong about something, and the available evidence leads me to conclude his reason for being wrong was deliberate and self-serving, then I'm going to say it, and why not? Wierwille was wrong about tithing, and wrong in a way that profitted him greatly. I believe it was deliberate (the guy who taught "to whom addressed" couldn't possibly keep missing the point that "the church" is never given the tithe as a minimum standard). His failure to address adultery in the Christian Family and Sex class was self-serving. Honest Christians disagree about dispensationalism/administrations. I don't think it's right to accuse people of disagreeing with that doctrine just because they "hate" Wierwille (and if you didn't make that accusation, you sure as sugar implied it). Let's talk about the thread title: I think you need to know that the subject of dispensationalism has come up on this board a number of times. You should also know (and I'm sure you do) that not all dispensationalists agree on the nature and timing of the dispensations. In fact, Wierwille is, if I am not mistaken, the ONLY one who referred to them as administrations rather than dispensations. It's also odd that he sets the "Christ Administration" as a separate dispensation (others teach that it fell under the law, closing it out). Point is, Wierwille's particular brand of dispensationalism was unique: whether it's wacky is a statement of opinion, and I think you've read far more into the title of this thread than the substance of the posts that followed. Interested in your thoughts.

Forgive me, Dan, but I thought this needed to be restated, in bold, capital letters, if I had the time or patience to work on that:

Dave, Have you aligned with CES? If you haven't, sounds like you'd be mostly at home there.

Hmm... methinks Trefor hath proven mine point. George, I've often called Titanic "the best badly written movie ever made." You're right, the story is vapid and the dialogue is as bad as anything I've seen. But damned if I didn't love the movie, and no, I did not have a sense that more than three hours had passed when it was over. Cameron crafted a "story," such as it was, with one goal in mind: take me from bow to stern and everywhere in between, and give me a real good sinking sequence. Mission accomplished.

Why exactly do Pentecostal churches meet more than once a year?

Steve! I just checked the list I keep of things I need to know. Son of a gun, that ain't on it. :)-->

Forget about the movies you think everyone's got. Let's recommend some gems we don't think everyone's got. Top of my list: Sommersby (1993) Richard Gere, Jodie Foster The less you know about it going in, the better. This is a post Civil War romantic drama. The rest, I leave to you.

Well, someone's got to say it, so it might as well be me. In Titanic, Leo looked like a more credible love interest for Fabrizio or Cal than for Rose. There, I said it. Stone me.

How many of us would have even HEARD of this if not for the objections of the pious?