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Okay, let's start with something simple: Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery. Wierwille not only committed adultery, he condoned it, and in the Christian Family and Sex class, failed to teach against it. That he did so routinely and damaged lives and families for it is quite documented. Is that "according to the Word" enough for you? What we've done with Wierwille's works is no different from what he did with Bullinger's: took what he liked, discarded what he didn't. The only difference is, we were not all taught by Bullinger, so Wierwille had no need to document where he thought Bullinger was wrong. But when you listen to ANY Christian minister, you do the same thing: you consider what he says that is right, but you also identify that which is wrong. You do this routinely, but you criticize us for doing the same with Wierwille. Why is that? Why do you get to say that Wierwille is "98%" right? Is it because you've identified the 2% that is wrong? What gives you the right? And speaking of Appollos, doesn't the Bible specifically say where and how he was wrong? So what's wrong with doing that with Wierwille's works? You protest too much. You also failed to answer my question: how do we "prove all things" without identifying what's right and what's wrong?

You mean will I do something like: believe in and teach the Trinity, then change my mind and preach against it? believe in and teach immediate life after death, then turn around and teach the opposite? believe in and teach tradition, then reverse myself and teach what I think the Bible actually says, and throw tradition to the wind? God, I hope I change my mind as more accurate information comes to light for me. It's what Dr. Wierwille did.

THEre can be only one.

k

Wierwille was lucid when he gave his last lost teaching, but not lucid when he made it abundantly clear that PFAL is not God-breathed. Get with the program, Def. Mike: "PFAL is God-breathed." Wierwille: "No it's not." Mike: The editing process was overseen by God. PFAL's Editors: "No, He wasn't." Who you gonna believe?

I could have told you that.

Cool! I thought wolf would be the only one who knew Remo. Dan Aykroyd Trading Places Denholm Elliott !

When I decide to quit drinking, I'll ignore the Mike threads in their entirety. :)-->

Extra points to anyone who can get this... Cabaret Joel Grey Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins Thread calling WordWolf. Come in, WordWolf...

I'm not justifying it. :)--> Besides, I'd rather you call it pathetic rather than understandable. It's now been five hours since the last one.

I did tithe for a brief period in the 1990s. And God did spit in my direction. So I stopped tithing immediately. :)-->

Byproduct of the karaoke bar scene.

Maybe too soon. But I'm counting on all of you to keep the pressure on!

For some reason that I can't quite understand, I started smoking about 18 months ago. I had a few this morning, but then... I threw out the rest of the pack... and I threw out the lighter... and I... quit? Yeah. Yeah, dangit, I quit! Who's with me?

I just started one. Let's see what happens (naturally, there's no info on it yet). Shameless Plug

We should be flexible on this. Most TV movies, no one's ever heard of. Please refrain from the obscure movie of the week that aired one time in 1980. And Lifetime movies are out and out banned. But Steven King's The Stand has already been used. I can't imagine penalizing for "V" or Roots. If you're reasonably confident that a lot of people have seen it or heard of it (Angels in America would pass), then by all means. By the same token, Al Pacino has no shortage of theatrical releases to consider, so if it's not necessary, then let's not go there. Use your discretion. Last movie was: 10

Victor Victoria Julie Andrews 10

I think I was just the fastest. "The family sings." It was either the Brady Bunch movie (sorry, just 6 kids, unless you count Oliver. Hmmmm) or The Sound of Music.

There was an ex-CES forum for a while. It never quite caught on, although there are some interesting discussions. I think http://www.exwayworld.com and/or http://www.excultworld.com have information about offshoots, but no active forum on them. My forum (which I like to think of as the explicitly Christian offshoot of GSCafe) doesn't have any real offshoot discussions to date, but you just gave me an idea...

I don't need believing to be a "law" to understand the importance and value of faith. I do not need to be compelled, incorrectly, to tithe to understand the importance of giving, or the Biblical admonition to give generously. I view PFAL's keys independently of PFAL. "Read the verse, read the context, see where it's been used before" can be applied to that which is taught in PFAL. PFAL teaches dispensationalism. Does the Bible? PFAL teaches that believing is a law that works for saint and sinner alike. Does the Bible? PFAL teaches that fear is believing in reverse and what you fear will come to pass. Does the Bible? Welcome to GS, MD.

What? The portion you quoted is IMMEDIATELY followed by the answer you claim is not there, in detail. I do not propose that my conclusions are superior. I only propose that they are MINE. You may not realize this, but this thread was a lengthy discussion, not just me spouting off at the mouth. I was also quite willing to listen and adjust my views accordingly. I am not a better teacher than VPW. I am merely different, with different viewpoints. And I think you should consider those viewpoints. If you disagree with them, that's just dandy with me. As long as you're thinking, I'm happy. You've come to the conclusion that much of what VPW taught was accurate. You'd probably be surprised to learn that I have come to a similar conclusion. But that would take away from your ability to criticize me as a "critic" who tries to establish his own conclusions as "superior." "PROVE all things. Hold fast to that which is good." Why don't you tell me how to do that without reasonably assessing what's right and what's wrong with what you've been taught?

Sound of Music ?

Casablanca "There is a peace that is only to be found on the other side of war. If that battle should come, I will fight it!"

60 million people, myself included, recently re-elected one.

Belle? Are you out there? It's your move!