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Other: allos when only two are involved... Matt 5:39; 12:13; 27:61 Mark 3:5 Luke 6:10, 29 Not comprehensive, this list. Heteros used as other when more than two are involved: Matt 12:45 Luke 3:18; 4:43; 10:1; 11:16... You get the idea.

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I've been looking at the Strong's Concordance entries for "other" and it's almost amusing. Allos (243) is FREQUENTLY used when only two are involved. Heteros (2087) is FREQUENTLY used when more than two are involved. Am I the only one who didn't check this for years? (Truthfully, I stopped caring about that definition when I read Bullinger and learned the same/different kind distinction, but I never went the next step of trying to verify or refute the "only two/more than two" definition).

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I disagree. The language in the figure still has to be consistent. This is a plain old ordinary every day error. And yet, that is what VPW did. Quite often, no less. Precisely, and that includes the hard and fast rules set forth by VPW, which would mean that he was (drumroll please) wrong about the mathematical exactness and scientific precision of the words as he defined them.

To answer your first comment, when Jesus says "turn the other cheek," he uses allos, which is inconsistent with Wierwille's definition, your declaration that the usages are "fairly consistent" notwithstanding (unless, of course, Jesus was counting butt cheeks too, but somehow I doubt that). In Luke 4:43, there's a reference to "other cities." Clearly, more than two are involved. But guess which word is used? That's right, heteros, the word that's only supposed to be used when only two are involved. Wrong definition for both words. As for the rest, we've been going over that through this whole thread! Wierwille states in the class that allos is another of a different kind, and heteros is another of the same kind. The opposite is true. Wierwille apparently wrote this in the first printing of PFAL, but it is not in subsequent printings.

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Well, that settles that. Thank you, Galen. Clearly, Wierwille got those definitions 100% backwards, and it appears deliberately so (that is, it wasn't just confusing the words and definitions, but actively getting them wrong, misunderstanding their meanings and teaching the wrong thing). He had to know that Bullinger taught the opposite definitions. I refuse to ascribe idiocy to him.

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