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I can't believe the simplicity of this has to be stated again: To evaluate this letter without understanding what preceded and what followed is to celebrate ignorance. It's stupid. The best that can be said for that approach is that it could lead a reader to say, "Oh, so THAT's why I was deceived." This letter IS deception, and LCM's actions that followed prove it.

Now I can agree with Oldiesman. Taken by itself, I can see how someone would defend the letter. But in light of LIGHT, it is... what were your words again? Ah, yes... a hypocritical load of crap. Aw Jeez, but then you have to go and contradict yourself, Oldies! "I validate the letter on its own..." Let's use the "things equal to the same thing are equal to each other" argument and apply it to what you just said. "I validate the hypocritical load of crap on its own..." Why the devil would you want to do that? Either the letter was a hypocritical load of crap or it wasn't. Some folks were returning, even those who had left in 1989? BIG WHOOP! Tons of folks were LEAVING, too! I can't answer to whether there was legalism going on or not, because I left that wasteland before you did. I can tell you that the Craig worship that was going on (this is God's man, and if he's the wrong guy for the job then God is stupid because God chose him) was so thick you needed mining gear to reach the surface.

I am trying so hard not to laugh at that one. I am failing. :lol:

Wow. I need to look that up, Wolf, but on first read it's interesting. Of course, you know that Paul got it wrong and God needed to wait 2,000 years for VPW to come along and fix Paul's mistake.

Hey, just to clarify... I'm only asking about the LES message board (forum), NOT the main site. I have no questions on the main site.

The cost is pretty low, and the only "work" that goes into it is weeding out the occasional spammer. Thanks for the feedback.

George, It may delay your trip home, but yes, right now the wedding looks like a safe bet.

Annette O'Toole 48 Hours Nick Nolte

Goodbyyyyyyyye Earl Dixie Chicks Next.... "Well I love her But I love to fish I spend all day out on this lake And hell is all I catch Today she met me at the door Said I would have to choose If I hit that fishin' hole today She'd be packin' all her things And she'd be gone by noon..."

It took about 20 seconds. :)

Well, looks like Stars and Stripes Forever was a movie. It was a biopic of Ritchie Valens. Tarzan stripes fore! river. I think I got this one. If so, I'll come up with a new clue later.

I think the fact that LCM did exactly what those of us who left said he would do is evidence of the true nature and value of the letter. Oldiesman can only agree with the letter if he deliberately ignores everything that followed. I can understand how someone would, in the Spring of 1989, see that letter and agree with Oldiesman's arguments. They make perfect sense in that light. But to tell us that we cannot consider what happened next in determining the value of the letter is foolhardy, ignorant, down-right DUMB. Martindale's actions following the issuance of that letter validated his critics. This was no stand on God's Word. It was a proclamation of tyrranical authority, evidenced by the fact that he followed the letter by ruling like a tyrant.

Well, since it's time... HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Is "Stars and Stripes Forever" a movie?

I was supposed to try to head out to Disney this weekend. Dang.

Look here.

This is directed at those who wanted a specifically Christian Forum: Has the Living Epistles Society Forum Outlived its usefulness?

Hellcats of the Navy?

I originally replied to dmiller's question, then saw that I got to the party a little late. You can speak in tongues if you have the holy spirit is NOT the same thing as You must speak in tongues or you don't have the holy spirit. I never heard Wierwille say anything even approaching that, and if TWI started ACTING as if that were true, they did it after I left, because I never heard it.

They'll never get it.

The forecast track seems to be moving to the south, so you may get away with this party. I'd say 50/50 right about now.

No, this wasn't obscure. To geeks. :)

You should be fine for your travel, but the wedding looks like it's in trouble.

Just perfect. Just bloomin perfect.