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John, Glad to see that he's taken himself a little less seriously. Perhaps I had the wrong impression, but back when he put out "A Pivot Point in History" and in the time period that followed, he seemed to be declaring these things by fiat and belittling people who disagreed with him. I said "seemed to be." I could have misinterpreted. When you say "If God knew the things you claim He knew and still did the things the Bible says He did, then God is evil," (a paraphrase, but not far off the mark), that doesn't strike me as a "tell me what you think of this" kind of statement. More like, agree with me or you think God is evil. If he still believes in God as having limited foreknowledge, but has placed less emphasis on it, hey, more power to him. CES does the same (and it drives me bananas).

I suspect we were not the only ones who wrote to him on that issue, which would explain his defensiveness on the tapes. I think we were a straw on the camel's back, and I'd like to think we came up with one of the most comprehensive replies (if not THE most comprehensive). You still have it?

Just a view from afar: Starting with the absolute foreknowledge teaching, Geer seemed to become more and more bitter. His tapes started containing some defensive material, and I think he realized that a lot of people were not buying his new thesis just because he said it. I don't think he was prepared for that. His ouster from Gartmore then seemed rather sudden: there was never any explanation given to us in NY. He was just gone. Perhaps meltdown was a poor choice of words.

1. What time is it: 7:23 p.m. 2. Name: Rafael Olmeda 3. Nickname: Raf 4. Piercings: none 5. Recent Movie you've seen: Shattered Glass 6. Eye color: brown 7. Place of birth: Bronx 8. Favorite food: Chicken (tastes just like alligator). 9. Ever been toilet papering? no 10. Love someone so much it made you cry? yes ever hate sumone so much it made you cry? yes 11. Been in a car accident: minor fender bender, plus a bad accident I was too young to remember. 12. Favorite day of the week: Sunday 13. Favorite restaurants: Flanigan's 14. Favorite Flower: Wha? 15. Favorite sport to watch: baseball 16. Favorite Drink: non liquour :Sprite liquour: Corona 17. Favorite ice cream: Butter Pecan 18. Disney or Warner Brothers: Warner Brothers 19. Favorite fast food restaurant: Wendy's 20. What color is your bedroom carpet: no carpet 21. How many times you failed your driver's test? 0 22. Winter, summer, spring or fall: fall (I miss that) 23. Which store would you choose to Max out your credit card: Burlington Coat Factory 24. What do you like to do when you are most bored: Read 25. Bedtime: around 1 a.m. 26. Favorite TV shows: Law and Order (any of them) 27. Last person you went to dinner with: Chris D. 28. Ford or Chevy: Ford 29. What are you listening to right now? A reporter hammering out a story about a shooting at Miami International Airport. 30. How many tattoos do you have: None. 31. How many pets do you own: Three cats: Tarzana, Joshua and Judge 32. Which came first the chicken or the chicken egg? Wasn't there.

Did Mike say something about ad homonym attacks? Interesting. The pot meets the kettle and is startled at its color. The logic in this case has been fully addressed on numerous occasions. Judging on the replies, Mike may have a point when it comes to the "reproof-corrective" value of POP. It had none. I agree with what Oldiesman said: POP was a prime example of reproof without correction, and I'm ashamed that I didn't notice that sooner than I did. In it were demands that were so vague that they could not be met except according to the standard of the whim of the reprover. I am grateful for the effect of POP, but not for the document itself. It was a 40-page cheap shot. Still glad I left in 1989, though. History proved us right. And Chris Geer's mid-90s meltdown proved his critics right, I should add.

Who said I read anything he wrote? :)

Digi, It is indeed A Time to Kill. Your move.

AH! The memory kicks in (thank you to the Duh-Duh-DAY-vee Karaoke Crowd)! Cuz I saddle up my horse, and I ride into the city... Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy by Little and Poor. I mean, Big and Rich. And just for kicks, my lyrics will be... "What has happened down here, is the wind has changed"

Actually, if you didn't find it on the net, you're still in.

AH! Real Genie U.S. Real Genius!

Ah. I think I agree. Particularly with the third and fourth Potter movies, I thought the LOTR Extended Edition treatment would have been a worthwhile endeavor.

Well, I'm stumped on Sharon's AND Digi's. Maybe later...

Real Jeanie States!

Did we watch the same movie? There was loads of humor in this movie.

Fine. While the wolves are gathering 'round your door.

Ooh, Popeye's good. He'll make the next draft. Linus beats Little Lulu just for his Luke 2 speech in a Charlie Brown Christmas.

Oh fine. Silent Running Mike and the Mechanics Pretend the water is champagne and fill my glass again and again.

Can you hear it? Can you hear it humming? Can you hear it humming, 'cuz you're close, I'm telling you. Hint: If I'm not mistaken, the title does not appear in the lyrics. And it's NOT by Genesis. Or Phil Collins.

Made it up myself. And 36, for the record.

Correct.

Ian McKellen Gandalf and the Amazing Hobbits with that Ring Nine Hour Movie Spectacular. Cate Blanchett

And in Batman Begins, he's in the audience eating popcorn with the rest of us.